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Thanks again. I've been doing much better to hit numbers lately. I'll add my meals soon so others can see what I'm doing and to keep myself accountable lol. Plus you can see anything that mite need changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Ok so i brought some an it says 600mg daily which is 1/4 teaspoon. Is it ok if i take this dose but every second day?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Yes!
Thank you, also is there a certain way it should be taken? With or without food before bed etc or it doesn't matter?
You can technically take it whenever, but some people feel it makes them sleepy, and so taking it before bed would probably mitigate that effect if you experience it.
Thanks atomic.
I kinda ran out of cals yesterday my pro an fat was super low after dinner because i didn't count for the day so i added it up after dinner and didn't have many cals left so all i could do since i was still hungry was eat greek yoghurt with low cal fruit. Silly mistake wont do that again. I need some meal ideas but can't find that page with meals for pcos/alt
If it comes down to that, you can bend the rules on occasion. That's one of the reasons why we have cheating as an option, because it really does help you guys stick to the diet MOST of the time, to have cheats as needed. '
But greek yogurt is a fine way to add protein and fat.
The meal sharing thread is here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...diet-pcos.html
Fantastic thank you so so much. Happy mother's day!! I just had a mothers day breakfast cheat with my mum and sister's at a cafe i won't try add it up but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't of been too bad. I got creamy mushrooms on 2 wholemeal ciabatta toast with 1 corn fritter, lettuce leaves 2 hashbrowns, a little pesto and an almond milk mocka this hot mocka was definitely needed i miss my sweets but i was given a little chocolate with it but chose not to eat it because it wasn't worth adding more cals to my day an my sweet tooth had already been satisfied lol.Quote:
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Also do we count fat an cals in oil when cooking with it?
Awesome!! Happy Mother's Day to you as well!
Awesome!! Happy Mother's Day to you as well!
Yes, absolutely you count calories in cooking fats. The only thing you don't count calories in is low carb vegetables. Everything else you count calories.
Ok got it.Quote:
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Do we count fat in oil too?
And do we count protein in things like vegetable stock and condiments etc? Is it the same like count all fat pro an cals unless its low carb vegetables?
I'm going to make wholemeal buns today so I'll be even more at ease when I'm eating 100% wholemeal bread/buns but I'll keep store brought 50/50 stuff in the freezer for a backup.
Yes, you count fat in oil.
You count nothing in low carb veg, they're free and unlimited.
Count calories ONLY in higher carb veg (the sweet and starchy ones) but not protein and fat.
The exceptions to the above rules are avocado, in which we count cals and fat since they're very high in fat, and beans/peas where we'd count calories and protein, since they have a lot of protein. But everything else works that way.
Count calories, protein, and fat, in everything else. If something is super duper low, like mustard or veg stock I'd probably not bother with counting them, but you need to be honest about how much you're eating and how much is in them.
When it comes to things like condiments, you'd be surprised how much is in them. Mayonnaise, salad dressing has a lot of fat and cals. Ketchup, sweet salad dressing, barbeque sauce has a lot of calories and in some cases fat.
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Do we count fat in beans like say kidney beans?
And i use a lite greek dressing do you think thats ok? I think it says less then 1g carbs no protein no fat an i just count the cals in it.
I'm finding myself heavily relying on greek yoghurt to get my fats up each day is that ok? I'm still losing weight so now I'm actually aiming for 60/60 as a daily target by using things like Greek yoghurt and even some butter like today on my bread when I'd normally have hummus. I'm trying to hold my weight. I want to get my period back soon but I'm still breastfeeding my 14m old plus exercising 6 days a week so hopefully not too much going on that it will be delayed much longer. I've only lost 0.6 kgs in a wk still slowly treading downwards but I'll see what these new increases do.
Ok. I want you to go back and reread my answer above, because I actually told you this already. I told you in avocados to count calories and fat, and in beans to count calories and protein, and if I'd wanted you to count fat in the beans, I would have said it at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazzzz
I truly think you ask me these questions as a control freak, anxiety reducing mechanism and not because you don't know the answers. Again, I don't mind answering your questions, as many as you have, but it's quite clear to me that these aren't "real" questions and are simply you attempting to mitigate anxiousness by focusing inordinately on minute details. I'm not sure how else to impress upon you how serious an issue this mindset is for your sway outcome, but it is highly predictive of sway opposites.
But, just to shed some further light:
Dry kidney beans and their canned equivalent naturally have so little fat that it would be listed as NO fat or some minuscule amount like .8 g, and we'd not count them. If you're looking at a can of beans that have more than zero g fat, they've added something in them like lard or oil and then you'd count the amount of fat in them.
You would ALWAYS count any added fat to things like fruit, veg, grains, etc.
It's time to stop asking me about dairy within limits. You already know the answer. Dairy within limits is fine. Continuing to ask the same thing again and again is not beneficial for your sway.Quote:
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It's GREAT you've upped your limits. That's what I want you guys to do. Even if you need to go up to 65 g pro and fat plus 2000-2200 cals to stop excessive weight loss, do that. We still see excellent results in people who had to increase calories to stop weight loss, so it will not undo your sway to do that.
I'm still new to all this pcos diet stuff and i never counted stuff last time so I'm trying to remember everything my memory isn't great as is. Sorry if i ask things twice I'll start writing notes to look back on as I'm normally in a hurry an don't have time to reread everything on here. My canned beans had like 5 grams of fat so i just included it. It must of had some oil added. I'm learning everything slowly thanks for your help atomic.Quote:
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I do feel worried with my ocd that I'm destined to have a 4th boy 😔 which i can't change. I don't know what to do but hope that everything else I'm doing will be stronger then my ocd. I decided not to take the anxiety/ocd medication and I'm just trying to be more mindful.
Hey so I'm getting clomid do you have any advice? I'm thinking about getting 30 100mg and just breaking them in half because I'll get double that way or i can get the 50mg an brake them in half if only 25mg is recommended?
:agree: yes if you have a can of beans with 5 g of fat in it then it absolutely had oil added. Glad you counted that!
I would stick with the 50 mg (whether you get 100's and split them, or just the 50, either way). Then you'd take that from CD 3-7.
Ok thanks. I don't know how long it will take for me to conceive but i hate the diet so different to what I'm use to which i guess is a good sign. I hope it doesn't take too long though. Do you have advice on how to restart periods postpartum while still breastfeeding? My 15 month old has recently reduced his number of day feeds so only feeding him before his 1 nap a day, before bed at night and 3 times during the night he's pretty bad during the night for his age lol that's probably whats delaying my period.
Hey also i can get femara or clomid so which would you recommend? I know a few years ago femara seemed better for a girl sway. Based on more sways since then do you now know more info?
Kazzzz, what are the most irritating things to you about the diet?? We can often change things up to make it easier to stick with diet in the long term, either by correcting misconceptions about what you can and can't eat, while also bending the least important rules somewhat.
The best thing you can do is be sure you're eating enough. Yes, cutting back on night feeds may help, but as a mom to kiddos who ALWAYS nursed a lot at night, I know that is easier said than done and the disruption to sleep and everyone's overall happiness level will ALSO be challenging in terms of your cycle coming back. I would just keep doing what you're doing and don't cut back too far on food intake, particularly fat.
None of the herbal remedies work in any reliable way, and they're all very disruptive to the cycle, in many cases making it take even longer to resume.
I suspect your cycle will be coming back in short order. The longest mine ever took, even when on LE Diet and nursing TWO babies in tandem was 18 months.
Both Clomid and Femara are good for pink. One study seemed to show slightly higher rates of pink in Femara, but it was minimal. We have good results with both. People 38ish and up should use Femara as it's not as harsh on egg quality as Clomid can be, but anyone 37 and younger can generally use Clomid, for sure anyone 35 and under can use Clomid.Quote:
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I feel that we have seen better odds of conception on Clomid, so I generally recommend that anyone in the right age range that has the option, use Clomid. But both are fine, and it very well may be the reason why we occasionally see people who are having trouble getting pregnant on Femara has more to do with the fact that they're older and/or can't take Clomid for some reason.
Long story short, 37 and under can use Clomid, for sure if you're under 35, 38ish and up use Femara (unless Clomid is all you can get)
Fantastic thank you thats good to hear about the 18months because i also read its not common to still be without a period past that 18months mark. I'm thinking August for our first attempt anyway so fingers crossed it comes back some time 15-18months. I'm open to conceiving anytime before then if it happens but would rather sway with clomid which i haven't got yet and also would like to avoid having my kids share a birth month but we have been having unprotected sex randomly here an there which would full into 1 attempt if i court the first egg. Otherwise I'll start properly trying in August.
With the diet its the no snacking i hate and not being able to eat often and what ever i want lol i use to get a treat for myself everytime i went into any store very high calorie diet i can only imagine. I'd get a large bigmac combo and drown my fries in ketchup and eat a large chocolate sunday all in 1 sitting. But thats ok i guess i just miss being a pig lol I keep telling myself when i get my bfp i can go back to eating how ever i want. I'm really enjoying aiming at 60/60/2000 that feels much better i feel spoilt but weight still down 1kg since last week but i only just increased 3 days ago so we'll see. I'm eating full fat yoghurt an pineapple with every meal at 11am 3pm an 7pm gosh its so amazing its my happy meal like a dessert.
I'll get an take clomid after my period returns thanks
So what are all the sway things for pcos sway as a whole?
Staying within limits
Low-no sugar
Exercise
Fasting
No snacking
Clomid if you can get it
Coffee
Alcohol
Is that right? I'm doing all these plus breastfeeding and the myo-inositol which i just started every second day.
Hmm, it's not super common but it's certainly not rare. We see it fairly often.
:agree: yes keep on with the 60-60-2000.
If you want to, you can absolutely add in a 4th meal and see if that helps (with the same amount of cal/pro/fat intake just spread thinner). It's still different than grazing all day long and it may help you feel happier on the diet.
Here is what I wrote on the first page of this thread:
Short version of alt diet is this: 1500-1800 cals for most, 50-60 g protein and fat not counting the pro and fat in fruit and veg, and low carb veg are free and unlimited, count nothing in them, not even calories. Full fat dairy only, no skim. Whole grains only (with possible exception for pasta, since whole grain pasta is just terrible and white pasta is very high protein and doesn't have the same "crash and burn" effect that other white grains do.) Avoiding sweets and added sugar as much as possible.
Yes, exercise, clomid if you can get it, coffee, alcohol are great to add in
If possible, you'd want to have that 12-16 hour fast overnight and then keep it to 3 meals in the rest of that time. Some people prefer only 2 meals and that's also ok. 1 meal is not ok. If you need to do more like 12 hour fast and 4 meals, we've had some people do that and still get girls.
Fantastic that perfectly sums it up. I'll stick to 3 meals for now. I'm much happier with thos sway then i was last time i swayed because i was only eating 2 meals so towards the end i started cheating due to what must have been starvation i wasn't counting and was hungry alot. I was also drinking like 1/2 to a full bottle of wine each night man that must have bumped my calories right up. I can see were i went wrong and how to do better this time. Its a marathon not a sprint lol
Yes!! Honestly I'd do away with the 2 meals all together, but there are a whole lot of people who actually prefer 2 big meals where they feel completely satisfied, OR who are slower at digesting and feel stuffed with three. So I just leave it at 2 or 3 whichever works best for you.
1000% agree - definitely marathon!!! The "sprinters" get way worse results too!
Just going to reply here
I struggled to get all numbers up at the start now I'm loving it. I like having room to move kinda thing and if after dinner I'm low on things i get to have a snack or two le/alt friendly like yoghurt an fruit i love that I'm eating more now i just pray i don't gain cause i don't want to reduce anything lol 60/60/2000 is doable long term. I was wondering if tinned pineapple is ok is it much sweeter then fresh? I get the one in juice not syrup and i don't consume the juice. Also is it to much carbs in one day to have bread, rice, pasta, beans all in the same day? I've using be beans in my vegetable patties an in my soups. I know you've said only worry about fat pro an cals but i sometimes think about carbs would be nice to clear that up. Its all brown ie rice pasta bread etc but is having all of them everyday ok? A small amount of each.
And last thing when you say count protein in peas do you mean like frozen green peas? Or just like in chickpeas etc
Sorry if you already spoke about beans daily carbs etcs. I'll add my daily meals from the last around about 10 days an you'll see if it's too carby
I don't want you to track carbs. If you eat the appropriate amount of fat, protein, calories, avoid sugary treats, and focus on whole grains instead of white refined grains (with the possible exception of pasta, as we already discussed) then the carbs take care of themselves. Only worry about fat, protein, and calories. Do not track carbs. And you can have any combination of foods within those limits, meaning that yes, you can have them all in one day. Any combination within limits.
Fresh pineapple is probably better, but if the tinned is what's available, it's certainly better than a cookie or whatever.
Yes, you count the protein in peas. They are legumes and as such have protein that your body can actually use (instead of the microscopic amounts that are in other veg that your body doesn't really have access to).
Please do not. There is no point to it and I don't want you to track carbs. This is simply an anxiety thing and you do not need to add all that up. The more you fret about stuff that doesn't matter, the worse it is for your sway.Quote:
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Ok got it. Thank you so much I'll just remember that as long as I'm within limits the carbs are in check by default. I'm more relaxed now then i have been. I pretty much know everything i need to know now and can relax and sell our house so we can move its good to have a big distraction.
Hey do you still recommend to avoid onion and garlic if possible? And why do women taking metformin get to be more slack on diet or have more leeway? Whats the idea behind that?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
It largely depends on how strict you personally want to be.
Honestly, I never believed that anyone had to limit onion and garlic for a sway (it simply makes no sense as people eat loads of onion and garlic in countries around the world) but when I first made the LE Diets, I tried to keep as much harmless stuff in as I could, and since no one technically NEEDS onions or garlic, I figured if people wanted to leave them out, they could. (same with celery) But I do not think eating a bit of onion or garlic could harm a sway whatsoever and you guys can absolutely continue eating them if you want. It makes absolutely no sense that anyone's sway ever came down to eating onions. It just doesn't work that way.
But it's up to you. As a compromise, you can keep things like salsa, marinara sauce, etc that has added garlic and onion flavoring, and skip eating large amounts of home cooked garlic and onion in your meals. But there's no real reason to other than me just trrying to placate people who (back at the start of this site) were super hung up on the old school diets.
The reason why people on Metformin have a bit more leeway is because Metformin helps improve insulin response in people and thus they can handle carbs better than someone who isn't on it. Additionally, sometimes people on Metformin have a harder time keeping weight on and may need a little help with that in terms of slightly more refined carbs, simply to prevent themselves from losing weight they can't spare, or losing a lot of weight very quickly.
Please be aware that metformin is a powerful drug, it is not right for everyone or even most people, and I do not want anyone taking it for no reason thinking it would sway, or thinking that they can now have sugary stuff while on it. Even with metformin you'd still get better results with whole grains, fruit, and veg. So please, ladies, unless you have been prescribed metformin for medical need, do not take it without your doctor's approval.
Thanks for clearing that up so myo-inositol is similar? Also when can i increase my myo-inositol I'm taking 600 every second day? And is a sugary treat ok once in a blue moon? I had a small apple muffin with my breakfast while out with my sisters. It didn't taste overly sweet to be honest but i felt guilty. I've had maybe 2-3 sweet things over the last 4 months so this is hugely different for me as i normally eat 1-2 sweet treats a day.Quote:
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No, myoinositol is not similar to Metformin, they're different things that may have similar OVERALL effects (making you more resistant to high blood sugar) but they work in very different ways and are not interchangeable. Since you shouldn't be on Metformin anyway, this doesn't apply to you, but in case anyone is reading this who is on Metformin and now imagines that they are the same, no, they're not, and anyone who has been prescribed Metformin should stay on it rather than switch over to myoinositol. If they were interchangeable your doctor would already have given it to you.
Metformin is very much stronger than myoinositol, so if you are asking me if the rules are the same for myoinositol as I've explained above, no, not really. If you're having weight fly off, then yes of course you'd eat more overall and ~possibly~ more empty carbs if that were the only way to get enough calories, but you'd want to try to stick to the diet as much as possilbe (this is true on Metformin as well, of course)
Don't increase your myoinositol. You don't need more.
Cheating for the sake of both sanity and also because you don't want to have to explain to your family members why you're eating weirdly, is not only allowed, but encouraged as needed on the LE Diet. This includes occasionally having something sweet on the alternate diet. Having something sweet 2-3 times in 4 months is absolutely fine and honestly an apple muffin probably was a great choice.
Please don't feel guilty about stuff like that. It isn't necessary and in fact is counterproductive since it's a control freak mindset to get hung up on small details that don't matter at all. You can see there's a huge difference between eating sweets a couple times a day and vs. what you're doing now, and that's what matters.