Complete pink swaying statistics spreadsheet

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Originally Posted by JG60611

What is "Through OV/pos OPK "? Is this BD frequently from AF to O and also just doing it once at pos. opk?

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This is something I would like to see changed (but I totally understand that it is a huge project!!) These are really two totally different tactics and so I do not think that result is going to provide good info.

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Originally Posted by Rosie85

I think maybe we could have more options. A few different slots for exercise where we can choose what kind and how much. I think even though we don't want a hostile environment it is beneficial to get actual results so atomic can help as many people as she can get their DG. Some of the categories are just too vague. I don't like the "other" category. If "other" has a high success rate I want to know what it is!!

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I think that this is a pretty huge job and I hate asking anyone to do more than they alreday are.

I honestly don't put a huge amount of stock into the answers. I think we can see the strong trends from what we have, and if we start breaking it down too much, people begin to pore over the numbers seeing trends that are not there.

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Originally Posted by Christi

I was playing around with a downloaded version of the spreadsheet and it looks like some of the statistics/formulas may be calculating incorrectly. For example, I was looking at the statistics on the people who paid for personalized plans and the online version says that there were a total of 28 sways, but only 21 pink results. In actuality, there were 28 sways and 23 pink results. As such, the success rate of atomic's personal plans is higher than it shows in the spreadsheet. Just thought I would point that out. I know you said that the statistics don't update automatically, so it is possible that new sways were added after you updated it, which accounts for the discrepancy. But I thought it was worth mentioning.

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Some of the things we did not start tracking for awhile (so they have results in the spreadsheet but not in the updated version) Other things may have been added but not updated yet. This is done by volunteers free of charge and it is not going to be perfect, we aren't doing a scientific study here.

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Originally Posted by Drunken Cockatoo

Hm I've remember atomic saying that aside from that she has totally different numbers on personalized plans. A much higher number and success rates around 65% to 70%? Sorry if I'm writing nonsense

Also one question: is everyone included in exercise who did it a bit or only those who did it for 60min at least 5 days a week? Because some write in their sways that they excercised 3 or 4 times a week or went for a walk a lot or chased their boys around lol

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I have done nearly 200 custom plans now and I am getting very similar results to what the overall stats of the site are. Most of them were before they started keeping track of them in the statistics. I've had a run of success iwth the custom plans the last several months but I do not want anyone to look at those and expect that kind of results. I want people to make decisions about swaying vs. HT based on the LOWEST expectation of success, not the highest.

I think it is best to look at the BIGGEST number and go off that, which will always be the overall stats of the site. That is a reasonable number and has stayed at about 65% for years now. Considering blue swayers are getting about 75% success, it indicates that it is reasonable for some of us to expect we are going from as much as 75% likely to have boys, to 65% likely to have a girl, which is HUGE.

Thank you for all this great info! Can I ask if there are any trends with swaying pink in the first month or two after coming off the contraceptive pill? Thanks

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Originally Posted by LilithWiser1979

Yes, women who exercised at all are included in the exercise stats. So women who got in 3-4 days are in there. Atomic doesn't want to exclude them from the stats because that's cherry-picking the results. If you think about it, it makes sense. So do we drill everyone to make sure they did exactly 60 minutes, no less? Do they get excluded if they got sick and had to take 4-5 days off but otherwise had 6 days a week for 12 weeks? What about the successful woman who never exercised in the 2ww, but otherwise worked out as prescribed? Or the women who accidentally got in some weight training?

I mean, I was irritated at first because I want "pure" results, but this is an internet poll, essentially, not a scientific study. We don't have observers verifying that everyone did everything they claimed exactly like they should. As long as it's on an honor system and we want honest stats, I think it has to be this way.

I also like that it's not the hostile swaying environment that IG was. Everyone's supportive instead of pointing out everything someone did wrong if there was an opposite. If we cherry pick results, we become IG :(

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Exactly. This is an Internet poll, not a scientific study. These results are almost for entertainment purposes only. If we were doing a scientific study we would be tracking only one of these variables at a time and controlling for everything else, and the groups of people would be chosen at random. The way people do sway tactics is that different people use different tactics based on their personal needs and individual circumstances, and so it's like comparing apples to oranges for some of this stuff. The groups of people doing various sway tactics do not come into swaying with the same fundamental odds of success so it's very difficult to pick out the trends. Example, some people literally CAN'T do 60 min. of exercise because they are too thin to start with. So they might do less exercise or no exercise, but could possibly have better odds of pink than someone who had a lot of muscle mass. The stats will never be able to tell us stuff like that and the more we try to make it happen, the more confusing it becomes.

Trust me though - when there is a strong trend, it becomes clear very fast. I think that the tendency is for people to take the sway stats too seriously and start looking at groups of 3 people (or even 30) and giving that way too much weight. I don't think anything is gained by breaking it down into smaller and smaller subsets of people looking for a "magic bullet" because it's NEVER going to exist.

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Originally Posted by essnce629

I would definitely like to see aspirin and cranberry separated since I think most people are doing aspirin now. The same goes for Replens and Rephresh, especially since Atomic said they work differently. I also think there should be separate categories for peppermint and raspberry leaf tea since RRL tea is supposedly boy friendly since it increases fertility and has lots of beneficial nutrients. I've drank it and taken capsules of it for the entire length of both pregnancies.

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Anyone who wants to volunteer to go back through the old sways is more than welcome to coordinate with Rainbow and My to do that. Best if you are already pregnant to avoid any "Martha" stuff!!!

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Originally Posted by JG60611

So the spreadsheet is updated but not the written out list on page 1? Just want to make sure im looking in the right place :)

On the ss antihistamines seem to have gotten a lot of boys...i hope that didnt kill it for me


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Antihistamines do not sway blue. No way, no how. That is a quirk of statistics, meaning that the people who are the least affected by antihistamines are also the ones can get pg easily while taking them and also are prob. more predisposed to blue.

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Originally Posted by Dreamsplanner

Hello,

I noticed soy isoflavones was included in the results, what is it used for? Is it supposed to sway pink?

Thank you

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It is used to induce ovulation and as a kind of "poor man's Clomid". In my signature below is a link to the Complete Index and it has a link to the soy essay.

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Originally Posted by Sarah4girl

Thank you for all this great info! Can I ask if there are any trends with swaying pink in the first month or two after coming off the contraceptive pill? Thanks

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yes I believe that sways pink, and I also believe that info is in the stats.