Atomic, please help!

Please give this a bump tomorrow for me so I can respond, it's a bit late here and I'm done in for all but the easiest q's. :)

I don't think you're coming off mean or anything like that, I just want to help you have the best sway possible and i don't think eating banana and coconut water all day, regardless of eating a meal once a day, is the best way for you to do that. We are getting into the realm of splitting hairs here and please take my advice in the spirit in which is it meant - general guidelines that I hope will help you as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Please give this a bump tomorrow for me so I can respond, it's a bit late here and I'm done in for all but the easiest q's. :)

I don't think you're coming off mean or anything like that, I just want to help you have the best sway possible and i don't think eating banana and coconut water all day, regardless of eating a meal once a day, is the best way for you to do that. We are getting into the realm of splitting hairs here and please take my advice in the spirit in which is it meant - general guidelines that I hope will help you as much as possible.

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Oh I totally agree with you that bananas and coconut water will get me nowhere.
I have stopped the bananas and incorporated the coconut water/pineapple juice into my daily 'routine'.
I have begun having milk/milo for breakfast and trying to eat lunch within an hour of that.
I also have 1 or 2 'up and go' packs a day for extra nutrients and minerals.
I'm weaning the fish oil and vit e to the point where I'm just getting it in my prenatals.
I've dropped my EPO dose to 1g/1000mg a day.
We started SMEP last night and are using pre-seed.
I have started taking vit d3 and I'm trying to take more calcium in my diet.
Every meal I have is protein and veggies, but I'm struggling with carbs.
I'm having an apple as my bed time snack.
I'm struggling with high sugar snacks like chocolate and fizzy drinks and I have a weak spot for potato chips.
But I'm trying to fit everything around eating when I'm hungry :D

I'm really taking everything in and totally using it as much as I can :D

Again, just to clarify becasue I understand what you are saying perfectly, it does not matter how hearty your one meal a day is - the REST of the day you are eating no protein, banana, lemon water, etc and that is terrible for a blue sway. Even if you eat a side of beef, one meal a day is not good for blue - you can get a boy doing all kinds of stuff but it's not going to optimize your odds. I sometimes write dozens of posts a day and I need you guys to kinda fill in the blanks and hear what I'm saying even when I have to say it kinda quick. :)

I ~personally~ would have you skip this month. I hardly ever say that but i think it would be best.

If you give your body the raw materials, it KNOWS how to build lining. It can do it without megadoses of vitamins and minerals. Just eat properly, get some fat and take a normal prenatal vitamin and your body will do the rest.

I can assure you that high doses of blood thinners can and do kill people every day as does having electrolytes badly out of whack. You can feel fine one minute and then keel over from a heart arrhythmia or have a brain aneyurism from taking a bunch of blood thinners. I am not using hyperbole, these things are real risks that you need to start taking very seriously. I am not kidding or exaggerating when I say I am scared for you. I don't tell people that very often and when I say it, I mean it.

The reason you keep getting girls regardless of timing, is because timing doesn't sway. It doesn't work. So whatever is going on in your body and/or your husband's body, you're more girl-friendly and thus more likely to get a girl. Timing has nothing to do with it. SMEP has nothing to do with it and will actually only help you get pregnant. But NO ONE is predestined to have only girls - we all ahve the potential to make both boys and girls, we just need to tap into our body's natural mechanisms to make that happen.

All men make 50-50 X and Y sperm. Their whole bodies are made up of XY cells and then these cells divide into X and Y cells. Now, that doesn't mean that his X and Y are equally long lived but then again it also doesn't mean that it is his "fault" you guys are having girls. I don't want you to misdiagnose the problem and get so focused in on the idea that he only makes girls, that you miss the elephant in the room in terms of your diet and stuff like that.

I do totally understand about wanting a boy. I wanted a boy desperately with my first and luckily got him - I was just greedy and wanted a girl too LOL. I promise I will do what is in my power to help you as much as I can.

There's nothing magic in breakfast cereal, so if you don't like them just eat something else.

You don't have to stuff yourself on HE Diet. The important thing is that you're eating more, and most important, more regularly, than you were before.

I got 2 boys when we were really poor - it is possible!!

Re vitamins, doctors did use to recommend more vitamins even just a few years ago but it's been shown that they don't do anything and may even worsen some health problems. I do want you taking a multivitamin or prenatal, it's the MEGAdoses that you were taking that is concerning, not a normal intake. Vit. C can help iron absorption, but it doesn't need to be a huge dose, even just a little glass of orange juice when you eat something containing iron.

I do think you have a good handle on things now but did want to stress one thing - a lot of people feel like, if they can't do everything, they may as well not do ANYTHING and that couldn't be further from the truth. Unlike those mineral diets popular on the other sites, the HE Diet is just a goal to strive for. You can fall short and still get a boy. If you do it 70%, 50%, or even just 10% more than you were, that is STILL a blue sway.

All that matters is what you are doing - it doesn't matter if it's what worked for anyone else. You don't have to do the same as anyone else, all you ahve to do is start making little changes in a more boy-friendly direction. We just want to make sure that you understand it's not about more bananas, KWIM? You need a balanced, healthy diet with lots of different high-nutrient foods, and to be eating regular meals with protein and carbs to keep blood sugar up. That may be way less food for you than it is for me (a lot of us boy moms are petite but can pack away the foods without gaining weight) and that is ok. Don't worry about what ~I~ ate to get boys, just change ~your~ diet in a more HE way and don't beat yourself up if you fall a little short - it still works. It's a radio dial, not a light switch and I have an essay explaining that in depht here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...s-swaying.html

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Again, just to clarify becasue I understand what you are saying perfectly, it does not matter how hearty your one meal a day is - the REST of the day you are eating no protein, banana, lemon water, etc and that is terrible for a blue sway. Even if you eat a side of beef, one meal a day is not good for blue - you can get a boy doing all kinds of stuff but it's not going to optimize your odds. I sometimes write dozens of posts a day and I need you guys to kinda fill in the blanks and hear what I'm saying even when I have to say it kinda quick. :)

I ~personally~ would have you skip this month. I hardly ever say that but i think it would be best.

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I think you've lost what I have said somewhere; up until a bout 6 weeks ago it was a bout one meal a day (coming off the clomid gave me my appetite back so I upped up my meals; gradually, but I was definitely eating more. Clomid suppresses my appetite and makes me very ill).
In Dec I upped it to 2, and ok, so my lunch didnt have protein in it, but I'm usually not a heavy protein person just because of the effects it has on my IBS (I get very uncomfortably gassy. With upping it up to the HE diet in the last 2 weeks, I am so bloated I look 6 months pregnant and it's painful to pass gas in any way. But I guess this is what I have to go through to get a boy).

I can't stand banana's.
I haven't eaten one in weeks.
There's NO way I would EVER increase my banana intake - omg they're so feral!!!
It makes me sick just thinking about them LOL (bad reaction in my first pregnancy - haven't been able to properly eat them since :/ )

I know you say to skip this month, but I don't have the choice.
I am being put back on clomid next cycle.
It's a non negotiable with my gyno.
It's either I do the clomid or I'm sent to a Fertility Specialist to do IUI.
I can't eat properly while on clomid as it makes me violently ill.
I can't eat during my AF, I can't eat during OV and I can't eat the few days leading up to AF (I can't stop vomiting; it has something to do with the hormones being stirred up and my body memory of Hyperemesis Gravidarum from my last pregnancy).
I have gained 4 kilos on the diet in the last 2 weeks, so I can only imagine that it's working.
And I dare say that constant vomiting is going to make me lose weight as well as make the diet redundant as I won't be keeping much down.
That's why since coming off the clomid my diet has been getting better and I've been able to eat more (ie constant snacking, going from 1 to 2 meals a day etc).

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

There's nothing magic in breakfast cereal, so if you don't like them just eat something else.

You don't have to stuff yourself on HE Diet. The important thing is that you're eating more, and most important, more regularly, than you were before.

I got 2 boys when we were really poor - it is possible!!

Re vitamins, doctors did use to recommend more vitamins even just a few years ago but it's been shown that they don't do anything and may even worsen some health problems. I do want you taking a multivitamin or prenatal, it's the MEGAdoses that you were taking that is concerning, not a normal intake. Vit. C can help iron absorption, but it doesn't need to be a huge dose, even just a little glass of orange juice when you eat something containing iron.

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Yeah, can't stand cereal, so I just do milk/milo or and 'up and go' in the morning.

Very much eating more - the scales don't lie LOL!!!

I've halved my EPO dose, gotten rid of the extra vit e, gotten rid of the extra zinc, gotten rid of the extra fish oil.
I'm still on high b6, but I need that at the moment for my LP until my cycles show some regular pattern (although on the clomid I probably won't get the chance to be regular by myself :/ )
I'm still on high folic acid as well, on a basic dose of vit c (1180mg a day. I didn't realise my b-complex had it in it, so I might have to get rid of 500mg of my dosage) and I've started up vit d3. Still on my liquid iron supplement (I'm an iron deficient anemic).

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

I do think you have a good handle on things now but did want to stress one thing - a lot of people feel like, if they can't do everything, they may as well not do ANYTHING and that couldn't be further from the truth. Unlike those mineral diets popular on the other sites, the HE Diet is just a goal to strive for. You can fall short and still get a boy. If you do it 70%, 50%, or even just 10% more than you were, that is STILL a blue sway.

All that matters is what you are doing - it doesn't matter if it's what worked for anyone else. You don't have to do the same as anyone else, all you ahve to do is start making little changes in a more boy-friendly direction. We just want to make sure that you understand it's not about more bananas, KWIM? You need a balanced, healthy diet with lots of different high-nutrient foods, and to be eating regular meals with protein and carbs to keep blood sugar up. That may be way less food for you than it is for me (a lot of us boy moms are petite but can pack away the foods without gaining weight) and that is ok. Don't worry about what ~I~ ate to get boys, just change ~your~ diet in a more HE way and don't beat yourself up if you fall a little short - it still works. It's a radio dial, not a light switch and I have an essay explaining that in depht here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...s-swaying.html

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I am hoping that my weight gain is a positive sign and my urine has changed a bit weirdly since last cycle, since hard core changing the diet (could be stopping the bananas that's changed the colour).
What I'm worried about now is the fact that I feel like my urine is too weak to catch a pos opk for my surge (as it's not as dark as it was on a 3-4 hr hold. It was a very dark cloudy orange colour, now it's a clear mid-dark yellow colour).
We are trying to rely on other methods to pinpoint ovulation, but they're not completely reliable and could leave us a little short for timing (I have very little CM, hence the EPO, my temps are as off the hinge as you can get, I have no idea why as it's just what my body does, so the only reliable sign we have is CP, and even then it can be very ambiguous and give mixed signals).
Is there any way for weak urine on a 3-hour hold to still be able to give a positive ovulation test?

ok I have to walk away from this, I think I said what needs saying and I"m not here to get into a quibble festival about who ate what, when where why and how, and so forth. Take it for whatever it was worth and if that was nothing, that is fine too and maybe someone else benefited from it.

If the Clomid is non-negotiable then absolutely by all means you need to try. Temping can be weird on Clomid under ideal circumstances. Would your doctor consider prescribing Estrace for you? It would help your blue sway and will also help you make more CM.

The color of your urine has nothing to do with the amount of LH that is coming out in it. If you can hold your pee for 3-4 hours then that works very well. Vitamins are notorious for changing the color of the urine, your pee is not supposed to be dark and orange and it's good that it's lightened up some.

All these things - the Clomid, trouble temping, lack of CM, concern that you may not get pos OPK, etc. indicates to me that you have got to let go on timing now and switch to SMEP type of pattern in order to get pregnant. Sperm Meets Egg Plan Waiting around for ovulation when you can't even tell it's coming, you just can't do that on Clomid because you can only take it for a few months.

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

ok I have to walk away from this, I think I said what needs saying and I"m not here to get into a quibble festival about who ate what, when where why and how, and so forth. Take it for whatever it was worth and if that was nothing, that is fine too and maybe someone else benefited from it.

If the Clomid is non-negotiable then absolutely by all means you need to try. Temping can be weird on Clomid under ideal circumstances. Would your doctor consider prescribing Estrace for you? It would help your blue sway and will also help you make more CM.

The color of your urine has nothing to do with the amount of LH that is coming out in it. If you can hold your pee for 3-4 hours then that works very well. Vitamins are notorious for changing the color of the urine, your pee is not supposed to be dark and orange and it's good that it's lightened up some.

All these things - the Clomid, trouble temping, lack of CM, concern that you may not get pos OPK, etc. indicates to me that you have got to let go on timing now and switch to SMEP type of pattern in order to get pregnant. Sperm Meets Egg Plan Waiting around for ovulation when you can't even tell it's coming, you just can't do that on Clomid because you can only take it for a few months.

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I'm sorry you feel that way :(
The point I was trying to get across is the fact that you're telling me not to do my sway this month because of my horrible eating patterns in the last several months, but I feel that you're not understanding the fact that when I was on the clomid I had shocking eating, I'm not going to run away from that fact, but as soon as I got off it my eating increased and got better.
I feel as if that fact isn't being taken into account.
Almost like I'm being held 'hostage' to my bad eating before Nov 25th.
I'm not trying to be mean, I'm not trying to fight or argue or split hairs.
I am trying to give you the full picture of what my eating habits have been so you can give me more of an idea on how I've done before I fully equipped the HE diet.
I just feel like my increased eating since Nov 25th is being ignored.

As for the timing, I'm not waiting for ovulation; I *am* in fact practicing SMEP and the reason I need to know when ov occurs is a) so I can do to the letter what the SMEP rule book says and b) for specialist/gyno reasons.
I have also discussed with my specialist/gyno that I have issues with my CM and he pretty much told me too bad so sad, so I'm on my own with that one.
Funnily enough, my temps are perfect on clomid.
For some reason, even though I have no hormonal issues, my temps on a non-clomid cycle are screwed.
I can't do the HE diet and clomid at the same; it's a physical impossibility.
I'm either on the clomid and not the HE diet or I'm on the HE diet and not the clomid.

As I said before, I'm sorry that you feel that you need to walk away, I've only tried to give you the most accurate information that I possibly can, and being held to a bad diet practice that I wasn't really following isn't accurate.
I know what I was doing wasn't ideal but I have been eating more since Nov 25th, just not along the lines of the HE diet.
I thought that would at least count for something.
But I guess we'll see how I do...