Is hcg produced after conception or implantation?

It can totally vary with the same person. Some cycles I have one and others I don't. In cycles with great hormone production it is usually seen. If you look at chart examples on fertility friend, you will see some women go on to get a BFP with or without it.


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Originally Posted by eme1ieh

Thank you. I use fertility friend and can see some good patterns, before, during and after ovulation. I read a lot, i'm both curious, i want to learn and i want control (i guess it's both a good and a bad quality i have).

I started to take AC november last year, i had a break in december month and now i have taking it january and february month. But i only take it until ovulation, fourteen days in other words, then a break until next cycle.

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But are you still taking it now? I think we are having a language issue.

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Atomic, about implantation dip. If you had a implatation dip in earlier pregnancy, is it likely that you always is going to have these dips when you conceived? I hope you understand what i mean. I wonder if it can vary from pregnancy to pregnancy for one person.

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There's no such thing as an implantation dip. What people call an "implantation dip" is the temp dip from the secondary estrogen surge. It has nothing to do with implantation and the idea has been debunked.

Interestingly, they have studied this and have found that charts with a noticeable temp dip at aobut 7 DPO are slightly more likely to end up in pregnancy (I can't remember how much more, it's a small but statistically important % though). But it's not because implantation causes this temp dip, it is because, like we are just talking about, cycles where a person has a lot of hormones in their body seem to be affiliated with more successful conceptions. So the progesterone rise is higher, the estrogen dip is lower, and the two combine to make it really obvious that a big bunch of estrogen was released. Some women even have EWCM that day (I almost always do!)

Sorry, this is hard to explain in any language, please ask if something is less than clear.

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It can totally vary with the same person. Some cycles I have one and others I don't. In cycles with great hormone production it is usually seen. If you look at chart examples on fertility friend, you will see some women go on to get a BFP with or without it.


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:agree: and to answer the question - no, you do not always have a temp dip with future pregnancies. Charts and temping are very variable and can change a lot between pregnancies.

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But are you still taking it now? I think we are having a language issue.

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Oh i'm sorry! Sometimes it's hard to explain in another language! However i'm a good explainer in swedish, haha. :)

I mean that i'm just taking vitex fourteen days in one month, (two weeks before ovulation and then i stop on my o-day). If i not getting a bfp i start again on my first af-day.
Now it's 6dpo and i'm NOT taking vitex. :)

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There's no such thing as an implantation dip. What people call an "implantation dip" is the temp dip from the secondary estrogen surge. It has nothing to do with implantation and the idea has been debunked.

Interestingly, they have studied this and have found that charts with a noticeable temp dip at aobut 7 DPO are slightly more likely to end up in pregnancy (I can't remember how much more, it's a small but statistically important % though). But it's not because implantation causes this temp dip, it is because, like we are just talking about, cycles where a person has a lot of hormones in their body seem to be affiliated with more successful conceptions. So the progesterone rise is higher, the estrogen dip is lower, and the two combine to make it really obvious that a big bunch of estrogen was released. Some women even have EWCM that day (I almost always do!)

Sorry, this is hard to explain in any language, please ask if something is less than clear.

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I've read about this, secondary estrogen surge! It makes sense and i'm glad you confirm this. I will stop calling it implantation dip from now and just see it as a sign that my hormone levels are on top. :) But i hope it's possible for men to conceive anyway!

Thanks for your great explanation.

:agree: Good luck!!!