Why is one attempt a sway tactic?

THe method I am preventing people from using is dwelling on their ovulation pain to know what side they ovulated from. This is one of those things that most people don't agree with me on at first but I can tell ya after reading the science and talking to about a kajillion people who swore on a stack of Bibles that they had felt their ovulation only to find out later that they had not even ovulated that month at all or had Oed from the other side, I bow to my own (MUCH greater) experience on that one. Disagree all you would like.

I think you need to go back and reread what I said. I said even if it worked this time and that I was not intending to doubt your word. You very well could have felt it. But that does not mean that this is going to be reliable for a single other person on the face of the planet and nor does it mean that it will ever be reliable for you again.

Why does this even matter - because there are theories out there about left sided O making more girls (and who then plan to skip any month they feel any pain on the "wrong side") also people who are trying to use that O pain to time intercourse which doesn't work. I am not disagreeing with you to be a big meanie, I am disagreeing with you to save the many women who may read this thread, time, wasted months of TTC, and heartache. It's my job to keep things accurate FOR EVERYONE despite one person not liking my response.

I do not think either of my responses in this thread was in any way rude or warranted the response.

I used to think I could feel my O pains and on which side I had ovulated. Until this year. I have had O type pains before, during and after O so now I know better :oops:
We never truly know what's going on in there :) we can have an idea of what we think is happening but that's as good as we get.

I have absolutely violent O pains from both sides almost every month (pinching, stabbing, mauling LOL) sometimes starting as early as CD 3 and continuing on till days after ovulation in some cases. I've been shown on ultrasound that I only Oed from one side on my last pg despite having really bad pains on both sides. It doesn't matter if it works for one out of 100 people, it just isn't a reliable method. :)

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

THe method I am preventing people from using is dwelling on their ovulation pain to know what side they ovulated from. This is one of those things that most people don't agree with me on at first but I can tell ya after reading the science and talking to about a kajillion people who swore on a stack of Bibles that they had felt their ovulation only to find out later that they had not even ovulated that month at all or had Oed from the other side, I bow to my own (MUCH greater) experience on that one. Disagree all you would like.

I think you need to go back and reread what I said. I said even if it worked this time and that I was not intending to doubt your word. You very well could have felt it. But that does not mean that this is going to be reliable for a single other person on the face of the planet and nor does it mean that it will ever be reliable for you again.

Why does this even matter - because there are theories out there about left sided O making more girls (and who then plan to skip any month they feel any pain on the "wrong side") also people who are trying to use that O pain to time intercourse which doesn't work. I am not disagreeing with you to be a big meanie, I am disagreeing with you to save the many women who may read this thread, time, wasted months of TTC, and heartache. It's my job to keep things accurate FOR EVERYONE despite one person not liking my response.

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Well if it helps i never feel pain on any side period, lol. Anyway all this stuff on here is too confusing and has my head spinning reading what everyone thinks or doesn't think can increase your chances for a certain gender. In just going to buy your plan Atomic when the time is closer and stick to what you say in it for the beat chances. I can't be stressed on here reading about everyone else's experience. I know it can help, but it can hurt too dwelling on it. Anyway thanks for this site atomic and your work. :)

What I try to keep in mind all4princess is that while people have ideas about what worked for them, theories they heard somewhere etc etc these are all just thought, idea & chance.
What we get with our plans is facts, personalized to each individual on our own unique circumstances and quite a huge database of stats to show it is working :) the added one on one support is a huge advantage too :)

I am not trying to offend ANYONE but you guys do understand a plan from atomic is NOT a guarantee of desired gender. She does NOT KNOW what will and won't work for YOU. I don't know if you are referring to me... but my sway WORKED, that is a FACT, not theory or idea. And just as I have my opinions and ideas and thoughts atomic does also. NOT EVERYTHING she says is a fact. For me personally before swaying I liked looking at what other people with girls did and didn't do and also their thoughts about what worked for them even if they weren't FACTS. I thought this site supported that but now that I was told my information is invalid even though NO ONE KNOWS what my body did or didn't do... I'm a little thrown back :(

I'm not sure what is going on, but I think it's important to give people the benefit of the doubt. No one is challenging you on your sway working- congrats on getting your DG!

It's important to remember that while something worked or didn't work for someone, we have to look at the big picture of what the scientific research and data tells us. The research and the data should be the basis of what we all look at and go to for information. We can look at others' experiences, but we have to keep in mind that every individual is different. That is what Atomic does when making the individual plans. She takes all of the supported research and data and applies it to the specific person based on detailed information that person provides. Each person's plan looks different from one another due to those differences.

No one is saying Atomic, or anyone for that matter, is the gospel. Atomic is a resource and a funnel/transmitter of scientific research and data on swaying. That's it- plain and simple.


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I don't know what happed here as you deleted your previous posts Dreaming, but it's not really fair to say getting a plan from AS doesn't guarantee your desired gender. She is always very clear about that, swaying isn't a 100%, but with all the knowledge she has, she has managed to help many many people. Not to say that your tactics don't work, but for me personally I trust AS and I know she has to deal with a lot sometimes on this site. She is not being rude or mean to you, she is just trying to be very clear so no one will be even more confused. Swaying can be very difficult and confusing, so that's why a plan from AS is always a good idea. She will have a good look at a person, asks a lot of questions and tweaks every plan to fit a person. Does it always work? No, unfortunately not. There are no guarantees, ever. Nature can be very stubborn sometimes! I do hope you understand this is nothing personal.

Dreaming_blue_and _pink I'm not aiming anything at you & I'm sorry if you felt I was. I know 100% swaying is not a guarantee. All I'm saying is that we would all have ourselves tied in knots if we took on board every little thing people say has worked FOR THEM and try to make it work for us. Simply because what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for everyone.
Atomics sways cannot guarantee our DG and that is stated many times throughout this forum. What it may do is sway the odds in our favor with methods that have been thoroughly researched and are proving to work.
A sway from Atomic is also focused on the health of us moms which is something that is lacking anywhere else.
I'm sorry if you felt I was having a go at you, I'm not.
There was a time I swore to people shettles method worked for me, I now know it doesn't work, it didn't work. The odds are always 50/50 and it was pure coincidence it landed in my favor. If you understand what I'm saying to you is you can't guarantee if something works once that it will work for anyone else, or even for you, if you were to do exactly the same thing again.
I don't think Atomic was saying you were wrong, what I think she was saying is just because it may have worked that way for you doesn't mean it can be applied to others.

I'm so happy your sway worked for you & pray I can say the same one day.

I agree with all of you and appreciate you guys being nice.