Please Delete

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 1moregirl

Just for the record, I don't believe that being vegetarian completely contributes to swaying girl. I have one sister who has been a strict vegetarian for most of her adult life and her first 3 children were boys. Her and her DH took up a few sway tactics to try and get a DD, which they did successfully for their fourth and final child. I don't think it's healthy for ANY sway to get so caught up and obsessive about what you eat and how many calories are in this or that....this sort of thinking can easily lead to an eating disorder for a start.

---

The primary reason I have people track nutrient intake is to be sure they get ENOUGH. I don't let people with eating disorders track at all for this very reason. So I'm not sure if this is a justification for you not tracking or reassurance to the previous poster or a dig at me but if it is the latter it is not warranted because I have worked very hard to stop the atmosphere of eating disorders that were endemic on the diets that are nothing but dry spaghetti and rice cakes.

Let me explain something about swaying, at least the way we do it here on this site. It is not a guarantee of gender if you do everything "right" enough. It is not "BD on this day and you'll have a girl" or "if your pH is this then you'll get a girl". It is that maternal condition and overall fertility plus cues from the environment send signal to your body about what gender baby has a better shot. So a person can do everything right off the blue sway plan and still get a girl if their body gets those signals from elsewhere or if their condition or fertility is more "pink" and vice versa. Swaying in and of itself isn't swaying, swaying is sending a message to your body and then your body does the swaying. Diet is one way we send that message but there are many many others.

A person who's a vegetarian absolutely totally and completely can get boys. I have had many successful vegetarian blue swayers who got boys eating a more HE type diet. OF COURSE being a vegetarian doesn't completely contribue to a sway. NOTHING completely contributes to a sway. That is why I am jumping up and down foaming at the mouth today telling you guys not to go over your calendars from 6 years ago looking for the "magic BD pattern" because it has nothing to do with why you got a boy or girl. It is a thousand things working together most of which we cannot even see. All we are trying to do here is follow the best data at our disposal to send that signal that it's "girly time".

I know it's more comforting to hear something like "if you take enough calcium and quit eating salt you automatically get a girl" because it's easy, it's ssimple, you can wrap your head around it, it's like hearing "take shark cartilage to prevent cancer" but it doesn't work. Our way is harder, harder to do and to understand, and less "sexy" sounding but at least it's the truth. Eat right, diet, exercise, don't smoke, you probably won't get cancer, shark cartilage or no, but it's not a guarantee that you won't because maybe you didn't always eat right, maybe you have genetics that make it more likely for you to have cancer, maybe you were exposed to secondhand smoke, maybe you drink too much at the same time or whatever. The human body is like a hurricane, a bunch of things working in concert and some of those things go back to when you were in your mother's womb probably even, plus sheer dumb luck.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Complex Emotions

I reread the Maternal Dominance Hypothesis essay. Sometimes it leaves me at a loss, like the whole sway thing is hopeless in my case. On the other hand even though I am an intense planner and have dealt with anxiety and OCD, the other half of me IS actually known for being crazy fun, spontaneous, improvisational and open minded like “Sloane”. There are times where I can totally role with life and "chill and find the magic and wonder in the middle of the chaos”. As for whatever hormonal balance is running through me, I can't very well do much to change that. I can only have compassion and respect for what I am and what is biologically possible for my body. I do trust that a circumstance exists where I could conceive a daughter. Sure, it may never actually happen, but it is and always has been biologically possible for my body. I will remember that and take comfort in that knowledge, no matter what sex my second child is.

I’ve been officially swaying for seven months now and yeah, it is clearly time to loosen up. I’ve already been easing my strictness with the low blood sugar timing, but I’m still keeping the principals of that in mind. In terms of my diet, I’ll slowly take in a little more salt while still staying relatively low protein, high carb in comparison to how I used to eat pre-sway. I'll take it meal by meal for now. I don’t know about all the almond milk I’m drinking for the calcium thing... We’ll see what happens. Who cares, right? I figure that probably isn’t a huge make or break it thing. I also take reasonable amounts of cal-mag, iodine, and folic supplements so I can keep that up with no stress. I never got that into the coffee, alcohol or fiber recommendations. They’re all kind of hard on my system, but I dabble with the first two when I feel like it. I do drink more diet coke than I used to just because I like it.

The exercise thing is a pleasurable fit. Before the sway I already did moderate to high intensity cardio five or so times a week for thirty minutes or so. For the sway I’ve increased the duration to an hour or more for seven days a week while lowering the intensity to lighter cardio or walking. I’ve enjoyed this and could keep doing things this way on autopilot indefinitely.

As for being a vegetarian, that’s easy too. I've wondered if that really could sway though. I mean, aren't whole cultures vegetarian with the same sex ratio as meat eating countries? This seems like correlation versus causation. Maybe the people who choose to be vegetarian in the UK or US tend to be the more compassionate, empathetic animal loving women who statistically have a more "pink-friendly" hormonal profile?

One attempt seems like a total no-brainer. I keep saying I’d do every four days, but mostly we’re just doing pull-out until it's the morning of ovulation day as predicted by the OPKs. It’s kind of stressful, but I think we can take it for now.

I recently remembered way back to my first foray with gender desire, back when I was ten and my mom was pregnant with her fourth baby. I had a secret deep wish that the baby would be a boy because my brother and I got on great whereas my sister and I struggled intensely with jealously. I didn’t feel like I could handle another sister and I prayed everyday the baby was a boy. We didn’t find out the gender until he was born, but I fell so in love with my new brother and so grateful that he was a he. So, in a weird way it helps to remember that once the gender thing DID go exactly how I’d hoped, and once I’d hoped so deeply for blue over pink. It's even got me thinking about the horrible possibility that if I do have a daughter, what if I struggle with jealousy with her?! I’ve heard that does happen with some mother and daughter relationships and it sounds excruciating! Jealousy has eaten up some of my relationships with women, but I’ve never had those problems with men. Also, many women on my side of the family have struggled with eating disorder but all of the my male relatives appear to have solid and comfortable lives. If I end up with two healthy sons, well I would mourn for the daughter I never had, but I know that would be a blessing. I’ll be so excited to see my son as a big brother either way.

---

First paragraph: I want you to keep in the back of your mind that essay was meant not to say that people need to change their lives or who they are for swaying. It's to try and get you guys not to cling so tight to all these things that take a miraculous amount of human effort to accomplish. The color coded charts. The complicated BD patterns. All you need to do is avoid doing that kind of stuff. Let everything else take care of itself.

Second paragraph: Ok sounds great. :agree:

Third paragraph: Excellent. :)

Fourth: Women are vegetarians for tons of different reasons and since the animal studies do also seem to back this up (as do our results), I really think it is swaying. As for vegetarian countries having roughly 50-50, as Erin and I have already mentioned there is a huge difference in "vegetarian" diets just as there are in meat eating diets and diets that you've been following since birth, basically - that is what your body is already accustomed to. A woman eating vegetarian since birth is not the same scenario as someone following it for a few months or a year or 10 years or whatever. We (most of us anyway) are falling into this minority group that make mostly boys or girls while most people seem to pop out both relatively easily, and so we cannot simply look over any large population and extrapolate anything. Most people seem to be able to have a boy and a girl without even thinking about it!! Trust me, 4 boys over 20 years while practically everyone else I know had one of each, has proven that to me.

Fifth: I agree with your analysis on this. I think sometimes some of us have a vision in our head of a mother daughter relationship that is not based in realistic expectations and many mothers and daughters really don't get along that well, struggle with jealousy, or whatever. all children regardless of gender sometimes don't mesh with the expectations in our mind (I know this both as a daughter and a mother!!)

I just got off the phone with my 2nd son who lives on his own in a different city and I really miss him. I talk to him or my first son, nearly every day and they are just both such gifts to me every day. At the same time (I'm a really bad daughter these days) I have not talked to my own mom for over a month. :/ IT doesn't always pan out that the daughter is the one you connect with and the son isn't.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

The primary reason I have people track nutrient intake is to be sure they get ENOUGH. I don't let people with eating disorders track at all for this very reason. So I'm not sure if this is a justification for you not tracking or reassurance to the previous poster or a dig at me but if it is the latter it is not warranted because I have worked very hard to stop the atmosphere of eating disorders that were endemic on the diets that are nothing but dry spaghetti and rice cakes.

Let me explain something about swaying, at least the way we do it here on this site. It is not a guarantee of gender if you do everything "right" enough. It is not "BD on this day and you'll have a girl" or "if your pH is this then you'll get a girl". It is that maternal condition and overall fertility plus cues from the environment send signal to your body about what gender baby has a better shot. So a person can do everything right off the blue sway plan and still get a girl if their body gets those signals from elsewhere or if their condition or fertility is more "pink" and vice versa. Swaying in and of itself isn't swaying, swaying is sending a message to your body and then your body does the swaying. Diet is one way we send that message but there are many many others.

A person who's a vegetarian absolutely totally and completely can get boys. I have had many successful vegetarian blue swayers who got boys eating a more HE type diet. OF COURSE being a vegetarian doesn't completely contribue to a sway. NOTHING completely contributes to a sway. That is why I am jumping up and down foaming at the mouth today telling you guys not to go over your calendars from 6 years ago looking for the "magic BD pattern" because it has nothing to do with why you got a boy or girl. It is a thousand things working together most of which we cannot even see. All we are trying to do here is follow the best data at our disposal to send that signal that it's "girly time".

I know it's more comforting to hear something like "if you take enough calcium and quit eating salt you automatically get a girl" because it's easy, it's ssimple, you can wrap your head around it, it's like hearing "take shark cartilage to prevent cancer" but it doesn't work. Our way is harder, harder to do and to understand, and less "sexy" sounding but at least it's the truth. Eat right, diet, exercise, don't smoke, you probably won't get cancer, shark cartilage or no, but it's not a guarantee that you won't because maybe you didn't always eat right, maybe you have genetics that make it more likely for you to have cancer, maybe you were exposed to secondhand smoke, maybe you drink too much at the same time or whatever. The human body is like a hurricane, a bunch of things working in concert and some of those things go back to when you were in your mother's womb probably even, plus sheer dumb luck.

---

Atomic - no I certainly wasn't having a dig at you Hun. I have the utmost respect for you and wouldn't stoop that low. :) I was just stating how some ladies could have a tendency to get a bit obsessed and carried away with ANY sort of diet, which wouldn't be great for their overall sway. That's all. I think we all have to stay somewhat relaxed about all areas of a sway and not get too obsessed. No digs at anyone. :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 1moregirl

Atomic - no I certainly wasn't having a dig at you Hun. I have the utmost respect for you and wouldn't stoop that low. :) I was just stating how some ladies could have a tendency to get a bit obsessed and carried away with ANY sort of diet, which wouldn't be great for their overall sway. That's all. I think we all have to stay somewhat relaxed about all areas of a sway and not get too obsessed. No digs at anyone. :)

---

Gotcha. :) As long as people are 110% sure they are getting enough nutrition to get and stay pregnant it is a-ok not to track, it's just that I've seen too many gals start off eating fairly normally but then over time get more and more restrictive without even really realizing it. I just like you guys to be on the lookout for that.