TTC Girl Advice Needed and Much Appreciated

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Yes, I believe that your low nutrient levels would sway pink BUT be aware that drastically below normal iron and Vit. D levels will not be good for getting pg/sustaining pg. The risk you're running is twofold, firstly that the very low levels will not help you get pg and secondly, that the supps you must take (non-negotiable, for your health you MUST TAKE THEM) will end up swaying blue.

My advice is for you to get pg as quickly as you possibly can, so your levels are still depleted but hopefully have gone up enough to ensure a safe and healthy pg. I do not believe timing sways in any way and I really realy do not believe in O+12 esp. for older women because our eggs don't even LIVE 12 hours after ovulation. I personally prefer for older couples to try a frequent or compressed frequent release strategy (you can find the how-to link in the index or maybe someone can post it), BD either through O or stop no sooner than pos opk, and try to fit in several attempts in your fertile window, so O-3, o-2, o-1(you should get a pos opk on this day), then if you WANT TO, you can have attempts on O day and O+1 (not because I think O+12 works, but because you might release two eggs and you can catch the second one that way). This gives you 3-5 attempts in your fertile window and it is MUCH better for older couples.

Whatever you decide, it's your sway, but I just hate to see older couples spend months/years chasing after things that don't work/sway (timing and esp. O+12) because the harsh reality is that at some point, sooner, or later, it really will be the last fresh egg inthe carton and none of us know when that will be. (I am 41 so I know whereof I speak!! ;)) If you can't get pg, you have no chance at your DG.

I personally don't believe cal-mag sways in the ways that some other people do and in my LE Diet, I don't include them. My last sway failed when I was taking huge amounts of them. But if you feel better taking them, that's ok too - lots of people have taken them and gotten girls. What I really DON'T want people to do is a) eat their normal diet and just pop pills because that is a recipe for a failed sway and b) replace the calories and nutrients in their normal diet with calories and nutrients from "magic girl foods" like dairy (so switching from 3000 cals of meat and veg to 3000 cals of whole milk and tahini) because that too causes sways to fail. Swaying pink, you need to cut cals, protein, and fat at least somewhat - altho you need to be careful to do that in a way that is HEALTHY and supports your thyroid condition.







RepHresh is much better than Replens because it keeps working for up to three days after use.

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Thank you thank you! So if I am understanding you correctly and correct me if I am wrong. My depleted or low levels, the odds of swaying girl are in my favor, but taking my meds makes me sway boy. Catch 22 I tell ya!!! I have only been taking the VitD and the Iron for a maybe a week and a half so I doubt they have raised my levels yet? So low VitD and Iron is good for girls? How?

Well, here is what I have done so far this attempt. Not sure I should have used the RePhresh with the Replens though. Can you look at my chart and tell me if you think I already Oed and out this month? I was told by an IG person that they think I am out this month that Oed CD17 and I am on CD18. My details are as follows:

CD16
Used applicator of RePHresh

CD17
3+OPKs
DH released am and pm after 3-4 day abstain
8PM took 4 tsb of Benedryl.
Pea size Replens at 8:30 should I have used this?
By 11pm I was so sleepy and could not get my DH to DTD as he was tired from all his releases LOL.

CD18 (today)
Woke up at 2am
Took BBT 98.21 should I use this temp
Took OPK positive
Woke DH up at 2:30am and DTD side spooning/doggie style.
Put Diva cup in. maybe that was a bad idea?
Jumped up and down, but did not JAD
Fell asleep
At 6:30 am took BBT 98.44 should I use this temp?
CBE monitor HIGH

My FF chart is in my siggy. Please take a look at it?

what time do you normally take your temp? FF has a temperature adjustor where you can enter the temps you took and the time you took them, as well as the time you normally wake up and it will calculate what the temp would have been had you woken at the usual time. I'd think the earlier temp would be more accurate to adjust as BD likely warms you up!

I don't think the replens was necessary as the RepHresh would still be sorting out your pH but it probably wouldn't have done any harm

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

The IG site came first (which is why they have so many more stats). I used to be swaying mod on IG but I couldn't bear it because I kept having to give advice that I totally felt was erroneous, based on bad science, swayed in the wrong direction,and was keeping people from conceiving. Even making some people get really sick. :( I was very happy to get this opportunity to do swaying "my" way and am very grateful for the opportunity.

The stuff you read regarding skipping breakfast, blood sugar, losing weight, and the overall emphasis on diet over timing and pH - that all came from me originally. When I first became mod on IG they ranked diet as just one of the 7 factors that didn't sway very much even tho it's actually the most important thing by far. Not trying to toot my own horn, just so that people know I didn't "lift" my stuff from IG.

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You should toot your own horn as you have done such a great job with GD site. It is so much better I think and I feel informed and able to make better decisions instead of just doing this or that because I am told it works. I like to know why it works or doesn't. Thank you so much for all you do on this site! If I finally get my girl, I will be so mad that I wasted a year on IG. Really thanks again!

Just a note from a fellow synthroid taker, make sure that if you do take calcium supps that you do so at least 4 hours after you take your synthroid. If taken too close it can interfere with synthroid effectiveness. Not sure if your endocronologist or pharmacist ever mentioned that.

The IG site came first (which is why they have so many more stats). I used to be swaying mod on IG but I couldn't bear it because I kept having to give advice that I totally felt was erroneous, based on bad science, swayed in the wrong direction,and was keeping people from conceiving. Even making some people get really sick. :( I was very happy to get this opportunity to do swaying "my" way and am very grateful for the opportunity.

The stuff you read regarding skipping breakfast, blood sugar, losing weight, and the overall emphasis on diet over timing and pH - that all came from me originally. When I first became mod on IG they ranked diet as just one of the 7 factors that didn't sway very much even tho it's actually the most important thing by far. Not trying to toot my own horn, just so that people know I didn't "lift" my stuff from IG.

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

what time do you normally take your temp? FF has a temperature adjustor where you can enter the temps you took and the time you took them, as well as the time you normally wake up and it will calculate what the temp would have been had you woken at the usual time. I'd think the earlier temp would be more accurate to adjust as BD likely warms you up!

I don't think the replens was necessary as the RepHresh would still be sorting out your pH but it probably wouldn't have done any harm

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Normally around 6:30am. I did the temp adjuster on FF for the 98.21 and it says 99.11, which I know is not true LOL!!! When I use both temps, 98.21 and 98.44 I get 98.77, so not sure what to use. LOL!!!

I am not going to use anymore RePHresh or Replens. I know it says it works for 3 days, but I just used a teeny tiny bit of Replens, so who knows.

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Originally Posted by Prettyinpink

Just a note from a fellow synthroid taker, make sure that if you do take calcium supps that you do so at least 4 hours after you take your synthroid. If taken too close it can interfere with synthroid effectiveness. Not sure if your endocronologist or pharmacist ever mentioned that.

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Yeah, I space out my meds during the day taking Synthroid first thing, then calcium around lunch, and iron in the evening. Thanks for looking out for me.

Sigh! Please don't worry, you are NOT OUT! You will O 8-48 hours after your first pos OPK, average 36 hours. I think your timing was very good for conceiving. Your chart can't really tell us much today but in a couple days it will become very obvious what day you Oed on.

Your circumstance is actually more than a catch 22 because the low levels are actually pretty bad for conceiving, too. So you are aiming for the point where your levels are low normal - high enough for healthy baby but not so high that they're making you uberfertile either.

Nutrients across the boards sway blue, and iron and Vit. D are nutrients. I believe the Vit D sways more blue than the iron does becos it boosts T levels, but TBH we do not have enough info to really know.

Neither of those temps is at all accurate and throw them both out.

Replens was fine. I would not have advised the Diva but it's done now so no worries.

Jumping up and down does nothing, esp with Diva in. JAD is meant to remove sperm and semen and if you have a Diva in, it stays put regardless of what you do.

PS - my sigh was directed at IG, not your question!! :)

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Originally Posted by KraizyDaizy

I really don't want a technical pink sway, so can you share yours with me?

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Sorry it’s taken me so long to get back to you. I answered this on the Pink Swayers thread this a.m. but that thread moves quickly so here’s the basics on what I did for my 1st attempt:

• Started Vitex late Oct.
• DH took a very low dose of Lic Root
• I followed LE diet for the past 5 wks (but ate more veggies than carbs…just my personal choice since it works better for me and isn’t the norm)
• Drank 2 – 4 C. of Peppermint Tea per day
• BF DS2 (6 – 8 x a day) not sure how much this helps but I threw it in there anyway…
• DH released during my AF and we started to BD shortly after that (see my chart below)
• This is where my sway differs and doesn’t make sense for most (maybe not even me but we’ll see :p )…A bit of RepHresh almost every a.m while BD almost every p.m. w/Sylk.

I don’t take any other supps, etc. so no testing pH, no low dose aspirin, Saw Palmetto or Zyrtec for me. I want to get preg quickly while still making things challenging (hence the frequent RepHresh and Sylk). I suspect I’m fairly fertile. I know my sway is not the norm but it felt right at the time so I went w/it. I’ve got no regrets, even if this is a gutter ball resulting in a BFN and AF! I’ll scale back on the RepHresh if I have to do this again.

Good :luck: to you, whatever you do to sway! The really nice thing is that there’s not only one way to sway and “the perfect sway” doesn’t really exist. Just do what you can and feels right for you and go w/it!