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What no-no list?? For what specifically?Quote:
Originally Posted by youplusbooequalszoo
Red clover is bad for the same reason soy isoflavones are bad, they have high levels of "phytoestrogens" in them that may conflict with your body's natural estrogen. Red clover has been shown in animal studies to cause infertility and it's also just generally bad for you.
Hi - as I mentioned on a different post my GP has recommended giving SI a try to sway pink (think she enjoys the drama involved lol) as we tried Vitex (pink sway) last time and got my latest beautiful boy!! So - the Vitex didn't work. I've upped my calcium intake via food and pretty much cut out salt, but wasn't a fan of salty foods anyway. My question is - she hasn't explained how to take it?? I've got 50mg tablets (pure SI - no other supplements added) - so do I take one or two and how often? I notice if I take them early on, I'll increase the chance of multiples - which I want to avoid (got 5 - want 6...not 7 or more)? I don't take BC pill - always used natural family planning (all kids were planned - we know what we're doing lol) and don't take any other supplements. Just trying to have a baby girl after four boys!! My oldest of my 5 is a girl but I can't replicate the circumstances of her birth as I HAD been on BC for 6yrs prior due to tricky AF and I was underweight as all I ate was mac n cheese and drank Irn Bru (I wasn't very good at looking after myself) - after she was born the BC got scrapped and I started to eat properly due to BF and wanting to give her the best...habits stuck lol Sorry - I digressed a bit there - any advice on the SI?? cheers xx
Well, the vitex may have worked, but if you go from 75% likely to have a boy, to 70% likely, that's still a heck of a lot of boys. people view swaying like it's a switch that gets flipped but it's more like a sieve or a radio dial http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...s-swaying.html
Do you normally ovulate CD 14 or later? Then take the soy iso 50 mg days 5-9. If you ov. earlier than CD 14 you'll need to move it back to 4-8, 3-7, even 2-6, but we believe that if you take it earlier in the cycle, it raises odds for twins.
Not sure exactly when I ovulate (but is regular going by CM), that's why I'm starting to chart this month. We're planning to try in September, which gives us just under three months of "sway time" starting this month. One other question - do I only use SI the month we plan on trying or in the months building up to the big BD? We're trying the o+12 method, as BD before O seems to have given us all the boys (going by CM, we always DTD when I had EWCM and it always got me pregnant)Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
The reason I ask when you ovulate, is that if you ovulate earlier than CD 14, you need to start the soy earlier in your cycle in order to give it the proper amount of time to work.
If you O on the early side CD 10-12, then take the soy iso starting CD 2 thru CD 6.
If you O on the normal range CD 13-16, then take the soy iso CD 3-7 if you want a chance at twins, CD 5-9 if you would prefer one baby (this is a little dicy if you generally O CD 13), and CD 4-8 if you are indecisive.
If you tend to O on the later side CD 16 and beyond, then you ~may~ want to take the soy iso CD 5-9 BUT you may also take it earlier and it can help you O sooner in the cycle. Oing sooner can mean you have more cycles in which to try, before the diet drives you totally insane LOL.
I have a diatribe about O+12 here, please also check out the link I posted mid-diatribe. I really don't recommend it. The reason why you got boys DTD before O is because your reproductive tract is designed to conceive from BD before o. Virtually all the people ever conceived, males and femalers alike, are from BD before O because that's what your body is made to do. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/tryi...o-12-help.html
Soy iso month of attempt only.
Can i give dh SI 50mg and LR together ? From af to O only.... And another question, can i take SI like clomid CD 5-9? I have no problems with ttc and have regular cycles,i O on day 14. would the SI move my O up? And what are the side effects ?
Is SI a good option to try if I can't take Vitex? I took it the cycle I got my BFP with DS3, but I had to stop taking it because I appear to be allergic to it.
oh- well that was some reading on my part lol guess I'm just going to do the diet up to Sept and then add in the the SI on Sept cycle. going by my dates and all if I fall in Sept I should have my gender scan in Jan/feb so will let you all know. Thanks Atomic, glad I joined this site now x
LR + SI is uncharted territory so I can't say if that's ok or not. Personally I would just give him the soy milk with the LR because people have done that and it seems ok (their husbands could still perform). The risk with the LR + SI, is that testosterone and estrogen are really weirdly balanced and when you mess around with one, you can affect the other one. So it may make the LR less effective, or it may be TOO effective and DH may not be able to DTD taking both.Quote:
Originally Posted by onebigwish
Yes, you can take SI like Clomid on days 5-9. All the info on how to do that is in the essay or else in the replies afterwards. yes, it may change your O day.
The side effects are also in the essay, I believe.
They're botanically unrelated so the SI shouldn't cause the same reaction, but of course soy is a common allergen, so you may be allergic to that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shannshaff
This cycle i tested SI. but seems like no O is approaching...
i O normally on day 14 and from day CD 10 i see fertile CM but this cycle i havent seen anything fertile cm. I took it days 4-8
CD4: 50 mg. CD5: 75mg CD CD6: 75mg CD7: 100mg CD8: 100mg
this is very weird?
what cycle day are you on?
It's known to delay ovulation, that's nothing unusual whatsoever.
I am on cycleday 15. My cycles are 28 days,does SI change lenght of cycle too?
If your follicular phase (time before ovulation) is longer, then yes, your whole cycle will be longer as well, usually.
CD 15 and no O is not even considered late ovulation. I wouldn't worry about it, I'm sure the soy has just delayed it a bit.
question, your signature says you will TTC in 2015 and so did that change or what?? I'm not sure it's a good idea to take soy months and years in advance.
Yes changed, 2014. But i am only testing it for one month.
Question: is it normal that i am crying all the time becaise of the SI? ist like PMS what i am having right now...:S
yes, the SI can make you real emotional.
O my god! Thats why! When those hormones leave my body? Im feeling terrible.....
It's different for everyone, I'm sorry.
Feeling better :P
But obviously i didnt O at all ! the soy has prevent me from Oing. Im on CD 20. I have regular cycles from 28days and usually O on day 14. I am blaming myself for Messing with soy i will never test this again ! this is really scary stuff !
havent seen EWCM at all ! ist always creamy...
is that possible the soy can prevent me from Oing? If so how can clomid work for me then?
Your O is just delayed, you will almost certainly still O.
Clomid is totally different than soy, made out of different chemicals that are much stronger and more effective. The only thing that's similar about soy and Clomid is how they act on the body. Clomid is much better.
AF came yesterday CD28. This whole cycle i didnt see any EWCM at all. What i read that soy makes more ewcm, but the si made me very creamy this cycle,dont know when Oed? Can i get AF when i had no Ovulation?
If AF came, the odds are very good that you ovulated.
I personally am not convinced that soy does make lots of EWCM for everyone.
i was temping and it Shows that my O was on day 14. The soy did not do anything different for me! i hope the clomid will move up my O to CD18 :(
I'm jumping in here new because I came across this on google :) I took soy iso last cycle CD 3-7 but didn't end up pregnant (we ended up not being able to time things properly). Interested in giving it a go again this cycle. We want to sway girl (DH would like twins actually lol) taking cranberry, calcium and following a mostly girl diet. Calcium and SI was mentioned on this thread earlier... my SI has calcium in it and is marketed to menopausal women...is this bad? Should I ditch it? Or is it just bad if you are trying to sway boy? We have been ttc before the Fall so this is our last shot...if we don't conceive this cycle we might have to push ttc back for timing purposes so I'm really hoping we'll conceive...I'm a bit nervous that taking SI will mess up my last shot some how though (although last cycle was pretty normal).
Also about the EWCM and SI: I don't think it makes EWCM for everyone...I didn't notice much (I usually don't have much) when I took it.
Thanks for letting us know about your experience! And welcome!
I suspect that people who said that soy made a lot of EWCM were swaying blue and taking it for that reason, and so it is entirely possible that the blue sway tactics are what is making that EWCM and the soy is just coincidental.
On paper, the soy looks to me like it will effectively lower estrogen, dry up CM, and sway pink. It may not happen the first month you are on it but it ~should~ happen over the course of time. If it doesn't, people have the option of using antihistamine to dry up CM.
Soy is marketed for menopausal women. That's who it's sold to and who buys most of it. It doesn't mean it's dangerous or harmful for you. I personally don't believe calcium sways pink, but if you're taking the calcium anyway then a little more calcium in your soy iso will not hurt anything.
I saw on some people's sways that they started with vitex and then did soy the next month. What is the point of doing this vs w/ sticking with one or the other?? I took soy w/ my last sway but planning to start vitex for next one. I see you can't take them both together.
It may be a better sway to take V and SP for 6 straight weeks without stopping, and then switching to soy at AF. The problem is, a lot of people will not ovulate when taking V and SP and then will not get AF in order to start the soy to begin with. It's a good method if you ovulate while taking V and SP, but very stressful if you don't because you'll have to stop them and wait around for ovulation and then AF in order to start the soy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atsaukina1
A compromise that I'm not sure if anyone has done, is to start V and SP AFTER ovulation the month before you want to start the soy. So you'd take them for 2 weeks O-AF and then start the soy CD 3,4,5 and take for 5 days
This is what I am considering this cycle, how effect is this likely to be for a pink sway? Not sure whether to do this or stick with sp and vitex, so confused!Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Well, please understand that I have a limited pool to draw from but I have seen a successes doing it this way. Not a lot of people have done it tho and many did not get pg.
The trouble is, as I mentioned in my quote there, that you may stop ovulation and then have to wait around for O and then AF by which time you'd have been off the V and SP for awhile. so it may be better to take them O-AF that month before you are wanting to TTC and then starting the soy on CD 3
Think I have decided to stick with SP and vitex for now, thank you atomic x
jennibel I was thinking, some of us have only gotten pg when we dropped the V and/or SP - maybe something to think about??
I'm a late ovulator (usually CD18 or 19) and hoping for twins. So, when would you recommend I use the SI? I was thinking CD2-6 and taking 180mg (3x60mg pills).
Also does it matter when during the day you take them?
If you ovulate late I think you should start them CD 3-7. I want your follicles to get started on their own a bit before you take the soy and if you O late, they may be slower to start with and thus I think 3-7 is smarter than 2-6 (you may not get ANYTHING if you start too soon.)
I think 120 is better for your case than 180.
Most take them at night to avoid side effects.
Had my Clomid cycle and HATED it! Unfortunately it wasn't my turn and am about to get AF now. I would really like to try SI instead. I ovulated CD18-20 on Clomid (my chart looked like a mountain range so it was hard to track, and Clomid gave me +OPKs for days on end....crazy). My usual O has always been CD14-15. When should I take it? I am 40 btw. I'm still undecided as to trying SI or just going with Vitex and SP. What do you think?
Or should I just swallow 5 more Clomids and spend another fortune on OPK's??? :)
be prepared, the soy may be just as ucky for you.
as a general rule I don't recommend Clomid for older moms anyway because it can raise FSH. My inclination would be for you to do NOTHING this month (no C, V, SP, or soy) - I have seen several people 38+ get pg the month after taking Clomid.
...preg with almost all girls too btw...
Thanks Atomic, but wouldn't that just mean not swaying at all and risking another boy?? Not even jellies??? I have to decide what to do pretty quick, it's cycle day 1 now and I am so confused as to what to do! Sorry to pick your brain so much but why do you think a cycle after Clomid would sway girl?
By the way, I did ovulate on Vitex all 3 cycles I took it and my 1 cycle on SP just made my O slightly later. Are you sure I shouldn't at least have that combo until O?
Clomid does sway pink (you would agree) and Clomid can stay in your system for a good two cycles afterwards - keep in mind we have no real clue how the Clomid works for swaying so we don't even know that we need to have taken it the month of conception for it to work. When you're actively taking it, it may work TOO well and inhibit conception, so the month coming off the Clomid can be the best of both worlds - you have whatever the Clomid is doing on your side, plus youQuote:
Originally Posted by aidansmum
The reason I think it sways pink is because I've seen a lot of people get girls the first month off the Clomid. I don't know how or why, but it's enough to make me say hmmm... In the interest of full disclosure tho, they were mostly all on it longer than one month. A couple were on it for 2 months, however.
When I said do nothing, I meant none of the things you mentioned - V, SP, Clomid, soy. not other sway tactics. Those are at your discretion.
Aside from all that, time is not our friend here. We don't have months to spare with Clomid because we don't know if it is raising your FSH - my thinking is, if the Clomid is making you miserable, let it go becuase you prob. shouldn't be on it anyway, and let's capitalize on this "magic month" and see what happens for you. I DON'T want to see you squander what could be a great month by mucking your cycle around with soy and V/SP when our golden egg may be heading your way soon.
Hope that makes sense, sometimes it's tough to elucidate what is largely insticntive to me at this point. :p
I ovulated on Vitex for 6 months and did not get pg till I dropped it (and I had gotten successfully preggers on it once before!) That has been the experience of several of us, particularly those who are "of a certain age" LOL. Check out dramabird and Beadinmom's threads, they had the same experience. Seemingly everything is fine, but BFN. I think you should leave them out of the equation so as not to waste what may be an otherwise great month.Quote:
Originally Posted by aidansmum