Aaaaaaah! I'm so excited to see the male-only study results. I will be checking back here obsessively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitty0911
Aaaaaaah! I'm so excited to see the male-only study results. I will be checking back here obsessively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitty0911
very interesting study! Im following too.
Following x
The last HE female had 10 pups- 8 male and 2 female.
The next LE and HE diets are going to be on males with the females diet being left alone. I'm excited to see if the male's diets effect the sex of the offspring.
You are the awesomest!!! Thank you!
This is my favorite thread -- I get so excited every time you update!
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This is fascinating stuff! Do you think it's due to ethical reasons that wider studies haven't been performed on LE/HE diets in gender ratio??x
No, it's because there are very few resources for doing studies (so not that many studies are done on gender ratio to start with and virtually all of them are done with an eye to veterinary medicine)
Additionally, I invented the diets based on OTHER studies and theories back in 2011-2012 and no one has ever approachd me wanting to do any study on it and I would have no idea (let alone time or inclination) in approaching anyone to run such a study. They take a lot of resources to get organized.
dying to know the results!
And I didn't know you were pregnant again, Kitty! Big congratulations on your little boy!!!!! :celebrate:
Kitty when is the next litter due?!?! I love this thread!
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Fascinating! :eek:
What a great thread! And now I want to have a dumbo rat! So cute! Looking forward to next update!
I'm back with the first results of changing the male diets. I decided to do one male on the HE diet and another male on the LE diet at the same time. I kept the females separate this time to make sure they weren't somehow effecting their offspring by being together. The mom that mated with the LE male had 8 babies: 4 female and 4 male. The mom that mated with the HE male had 9 babies: 5 male and 4 female.
I'm not yet convinced with the results either way. I'll be mating another two pairs of rats soon. It may not be until March that I will be able to update with results. This pregnancy is kicking my butt and I have a feeling this baby may be making an early appearance like my last. I'm also really sorry if I don't end up popping back on here again to converse right away. I'm really horrible at keeping up with what's going on here. Between children, working, and keeping up with my dumbo-babies I just don't seem to have the energy for any social media. :(
Thanks Kitty, this is the first time I've seen this thread and your research has been very interesting. It was also fun to see mentions of your little girl and new boy bubs on the way.
Oh gosh Kitty, no worries!! Just take care of yourself and your family!! :heart: Wishing you the very best!!!
love this thread! were the mums just on their normal diet this time?
Yep!
This is very much in line with some old stats we had compiled from Ingender. The dads doing diet made absolutely no difference to the outcome. Unfortunately they subsequently changed their policy and now will not add anyone's info UNLESS the dad does the diet too. :/
Woooah, I had no idea they had done that. That's bizarre considering how minimal the affects of diet seem to be in any dad's offspring based on current findings. I was just even thinking how this small little rat trial lines up almost perfectly with the natural human offspring statistics -- nearly 50/50, with a slight edge towards males conceived.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Thanks for updating us Kitty, even with everything going on with you! I hope the rest of your pregnancy gets easier for you.
Yep, unless you give up breastfeeding, do 5 of 7 sway tactics, and your husband does diet, you are not allowed to post your sway in the spreadsheet on IG.
well thats just ridiculous. What are they trying to hide? Surely stats are stats & there are always going to be things that sway that we cant see as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I certainly think it's bizarre that they'd axe anyone who was breastfeeding, but still include ions and moon signs... :hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by kc15880
I think they are trying to include only what they deem "the best of the best" sway tactics, but the problem is, doing that ensures you'll never really figure it all out. It ensures that only people who do identical sways post them and so the numbers are perpetually skewed, with things piggybacking on other things with no real way of knowing what is working and what isn't. The only reason why we learned about number of attempts, for example, is because I let everyone post a sway even when they didn't do it "my" way and then the trend jumped out at us. Also why we know that jellies and antihistamines are probably not swaying for pink is because we had that data to compare between people who used them and those who didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc15880
In their defense it is tough to sit on your hands and watch when people put in sways you think are less than optimal when you know it is going to make the results worse than they'd be otherwise. But at the same time I'd by far and away rather have the results with swaying artificially low, than artificially high (in essence talking people into swaying who may have a much lower chance of getting their desired gender).
At the end of it all, meant in no way cattily but just as an observation about how it evolved the way it did from someone who witnessed it firsthand, I also think that having your main forum leader as someone who cannot breastfeed, whose husband is the nicest person ever and would do anything for his wife, who had plenty of time to TTC, and was allegedly willing to go on "from now till menopause swaying without getting pregnant" makes it harder (not deliberately, but just more difficult) for that person to empathize with those for whom breastfeeding is very important, whose husbands may not be at all helpful/willing to sway, who are in late 30's and up, and who really do value a baby more than a "perfect sway".
There was just a huge empathy gap there coming from the top down, it was contagious to most everyone else hence the bullying and the lying in the posted sways, and it's just one of those human nature things - if you have no empathy for people and they're effing up "your" stats and you think you have it all figured out anyway (which I never did and still don't and expect to be proven wrong at any minute LOL) then it would be very easy/tempting to start picking and choosing whose sways are added and whose aren't and setting up strict criteria about it. Even I get tempted sometimes!!
They legitimately believe in those things though. I can't fault them for that, even though on a personal level it makes me facepalm myself into unconsciousness - they DO believe them. The people that sell those ideas wrap it in just enough pseudoscience that people can be tricked into believing in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throwaway_panther
Some of the more esoteric points of statistics are just hard for folks to grasp. The concept that you can do something (like breastfeeding) that can take you from an imaginary 80% set for blue to imaginary 60% set for blue - which would be a huge pink sway but you'd still be more likely to conceive a boy overall - is largely lost on people. The IG mantra which is that "your odds are always 50-50" (which literally simply cannot be true otherwise this family would not exist The Arndt Family) tricks people into expecting that the things that sway will be 50% and then everything that sways gets added onto that. So any one sway "factor" should therefore yield more girls. But for many of us, myself included, I felt like I was swaying to GET to 50-50 and then I'd take the coin flip at that point. I seriously doubt I was ever AT 50-50 with any of my boys (even my IG sway opposite since I was taking so many nutrients and had several attempts). Some of us may have to sway 20-30% just to get to 50-50!! But that is a very hard point to grasp because everyone wants to believe their sway will get them a guarantee. It just doesn't though. I wish it did. But it doesn't.