I'm so sorry. You are not being punished. Huge hugs.
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I'm so sorry. You are not being punished. Huge hugs.
Thanks Atomic,
I stopped swaying 3 weeks ago and right now I'm pigging out because
A) I'm depressed :(
B) I'll need my strength to get thru the mc
C) I haven't gained much weight and I need something to lose if I start up LE again
Questions:
1) when should I start LE again?
2) i was on it 4 months...bfp off for 8 weeks...miscarried....then LE 7 months straight before this bfp....off for 3 weeks
Do you think the 3 weeks off is going to make a difference. I think they say minimum 12 weeks on it?
3) do you think the LE is causing the miscarriages? Should I be adding more nutrition into my diet at this point?
I'm sorry MrsGoodies. It seems so unfair for this to happen to you again. Have you had any testing on the previous losses or will you get testing on this one? I was told it was possible after 3 in a row.
I hope everything goes smoothly for you. Take care.
Thank you Purple,Quote:
Originally Posted by purple
Yes I will be testing if I can get a good sample. I tested my last two losses also.
1) I'd start it as soon as you're emotionally ready.
2)I think you are fine to TTC as soon as possible. Pregnancy/losses take a huge toll on the body and so that "counts" as time spent on diet really. You do not and given your age SHOULD NOT wait around trying to go back on diet 12 more weeks. TTC as soon as you are medically able to.
3)No, I do not think that LE Diet ***when done properly*** causes miscarriages in any way. It is based on World Health Organization recommendations for a healthy diet for women of childbearing age that may become pregnant at any point - it is just the minimum level of that, and on the guidelines of reproductive endocrinologists for their patients undergoing IVF that need to shed a few pounds.
Now that having been said, sometimes people do not DO LE Diet as written and are basically starving themselves.
What I want you guys to be eating is:
1500-1800 cals a day (and if you lose more weight than you should you need to bump to 1800-2000)
40-50 g protein or 50-60 g protein (and fruit and veg do not count in this)
30-60 g fat (and fruit and veg do not count in this)
Cheating now and then is mandatory in part to be sure you get a chance at nutrients that you may not be getting enough of.
After 7 months on LE Diet I would generally have you add in iron 18-60 mg 3x a week, iodine if you do not have thyroid issues 150 IU a day, zinc 8-15 mg 3x a week. IF you never eat meat add in lowest dose B12 1 or 2 times a week. If you never/rarely eat dairy, add in lowest dose D you can find 1-2 times a week.
Also just because of the losses let's also add in 1 serv. full fat dairy a day, 4-6 eggs a week, and one serv. salmon if you like it, red meat if you don't just to be sure you have enough good stuff coming in to make hormones with.
Thanks Atomic.
That helps alot!
I'm glad the 3 weeks off won't affect much since I don't have time to waste.
MrsG - what did the doctors find after testing was done after your other losses Hun? I didn't get to have any testing done after my last 2 losses. Obviously the the one in May was too early but last year with the 10 wk loss most of it (inc my precious little one) got flushed away down the loo (something that hit me really hard). I have tears in my eyes as I type this message to yuo MrsG. I was soooo happy for you getting yuor BFP and had been praying that all would go well. It makes me wonder how I will feel also about ttc if I have another loss. Anyway, I hope yuo are going ok Hun and enjoying lots of love and cuddles from your adorable boys. Xx
1moregirl, they won't do testing here unless you have had 3 consecutive miscarriages. Even when I had my 3rd one this year they wouldn't test as they were not consecutive, just 2 in a row which is fairly common.
Hi 1moregirl,
Mc#1 - unknown, no testing
Mc#2 - girl since it was a hi tech cycle
Mc#3 - dr told me it was due to bad chromosomes/age. After testing revealed normal boys. Cause of mc was then determined to be large SCH under Twin A.
Mc#4 - dr told me it was probably due to low progesterone so I was blaming myself for not starting the supps sooner. After testing revealed Girl T15 :( at least i could stop blaming myself about the progesterone.
Insurance won't cover any testing. I've paid out of pocket for it.
Ih, that's good clarification. I was including fruits/veg in the fat&protein totals.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Does that mean eating avocados does not count as fat?
Full fat dairy serving do you mean milk or can cheese be full fat. i only drink 1% milk. I really don't like 3.25% at all ...or milk in general but when I cut out the meat i added dairy as a replacement.
I was only eating 1 egg per week so I will up those as well.
I'm so so sorry! I haven't been on here for a few weeks and checked in just to see how you were doing. My heart breaks for you. (((HUGS)))
8w4d today....
I got my beta #6 from last week and my HCG actually ROSE from 19241 to 28674! WTF?!
This right here is the reason I believe "rising betas" mean diddly-squat! If all I was testing was beta hcg, i would have got a call today about how wonderful my #'s are even though the babe died two weeks ago....
Only thing predictive for me has been the serial progesterone #'s which dropped like clockwork 74 to 44 the very week my little one passed...and they have stayed low ever since.
Progesterone dropped from 44 to 24 at least (that took 10 days)...so it looks like another few days wait for me at least :(
Avocados are the exception, sorry I should have mentioned that. You do count fat in those but not protein.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsGoodies
Any full fat dairy is fine. Cheese, yogurt, both good.
There is something in skimmed milk that seems to be very bad for fertility and egg quality. I'd go so far as to suggest dropping the 1% totally. We don't know what it is but women who drink even 2% milk have lower odds of conception vs. those who do not drink skimmed dairy at all. (even nothing is better than skim and 1% and even 2%). And full fat improves fertility. So this may be something to switch up.
Yes bit if I switch to 3.25% dairy then it will push me over the fat limits on LE. Its a 10-15 g difference...
Then I won't have room to add the extra eggs which is also upping the fat/protien.
It doesn't matter. You may need the fat to make sex hormones with. If you are concerned about it, then drop some vegetable fats from your diet.
Some people even add them ONTO a full LE Diet already.
Thanks Atomic,
Does EVERY dairy serving need to be full fat? Or is low fat milk acceptable if i still eat full fat yoghurt and cheese?
Update: Beta #7... Hcg still high @24000 (but at least it its finally starting to drop 4000 in a week). Progesterone still low at 25 nmol/L (8 ng/ml)....i'm surprised i've had no spotting and can still hold a pg with a # this low....
Other than that I've had mild cramping daily, feel generally NOT myself, and noticed ew-like stringy discharge last 3 nights.
I hope it starts soon. I just want to get this over with. Its so mentally exhausting!
Well, if what the data seems to indicate is true, and there is something in skim dairy that harms fertility, then yes, a person might want to totally drop skim dairy in favor of full fat.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsGoodies
HOw much milk are you drinking a day, anyway?
2 glasses (16 oz)Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
If i have a yogurt then I only have (12 oz) milk
I needed a protein substitute when I dropped the meat.
I would reduce this by 1/2, and use full fat instead.
Or, just roll with it. It's only a bit of extra fat (16 oz whole has 15 g fat, 16 oz 2% has 9 g fat, this is not anything to sweat over)
If you do reduce by 1/2, use some other source of protein instead. 8 g protein is easy to come by, via eggs or almonds both of which are helpful to fertility (in fact one egg would get you 6 g of that)
I'm 9w4d.
Today was supposed to be my first prenatal appt and when we get to hear the HB but I cancelled bc i just cant handle being in a room full of pg women. Plus last night i just felt awful with cramps and some brown ew starting. I took a Tylenol 3 with codine and a hot water bottle.
I've been drinking the red raspberry every night and even was going to BD with Dh to see if it helps move things along but i am torn......the only reason i want to bd is maybe some sperm could help to move things along like sex triggers labor.....but on the other hand I'm afraid it might be painful....i could barely manage when they did the internal us...my cervix was soooooo tender....
Any opinions if BD will help?
I don't have any opinions to offer on how to get things with mc going Hun but just wanted to say how Sorry I am that you're going through this again. Life is a total bitch sometimes! I hope that things get started for yuo very soon and are over with just as quickly Hun. Take care of yourself...eat some comfort foods and do things you enjoy doing (simple things) that will help make you feel better, and lots of extra cuddles with your boys. Xxoo
Well, i bit the bullet and BD last night.
No pain and surprisingly most enjoyable! :)
I was hoping it would all end with a big GUSH of water breaking or bloody show but alas, only some pink on the tp and nothing again this morning....
There goes another theory.... Onto acupuncture next... I used it once to jumpstart labor (started 48 hr later).... Of course i'll never know if that did the trick or if was simpy a coincidence.
I hope this is over very soon. :heart:
How are things going MrsG? I've been thinking of you. Xxoo
Update: 10w4d
Woke up to a small gush of fluid trickling down my leg.
Met with my midwife who spent 5 min in vain with the doppler trying to find a heartbeat :(
My lower back was aching and I felt crampy all morning. Drank my concentrated RRL tea and immediately felt better.
Then had acupuncture session #4.
Then off to an u/s for an assessment.
No HB seen (so long hope for a Christmas Miracle....). There was only a tiny yolk sac and a sad, collapsing gestational sac.
The tech was fine and allowed me to see the screen and was answering most of my questions. Then the Radiologist came in to "break the news" and she was horrible!
First she came in with a SMILE on her face and told me that there wasn't an embryo seen so non-viable pregancy (smile). Then she asked why I was having another us when the one 3 weeks prior had shown no cardiac activity...so i explained that my gp said there was a chance it was too soon given my LMP/ovulation dates.
"oh, was this a planned pregnancy?" (as if it is any of this Nosy Nelly's damn business"!)
"It was a pleasant surprise. I was happy to be pregnant"
(Shock face) "Really!!? Not many women your age would be happy to find themselves pregnant." (Seriously!? As if I need your idiotic commentary. Please shut your f-ing mouth!)
I was then directed to the front reception where the girl refused to print me a picture bc there was no baby to print out. She calls her manager and starts shaking her head "there's no baby pictures to print out. Just a sac. Come back to your nuchal us and we can print a picture for you then"
I looked her straight in the eye and said "There will be no nuchal u/s. i am having a miscarriage. So please just print me a photo so I can put that in my memory box"
She gasped as a sudden wave of understanding crossed her face and came back a few minutes later with the picture of my sad, empty womb.
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So that in a nutshell was my day. Just pray this is over with soon :tissue:
I'm so sorry MrsGoodies. Fu@king bit@ches!! [emoji35][emoji35]Who gives a crap what they think! You are a strong and healthy woman, and if you decide to keep TTC it's nobody's business but you and yours. You are in my prayers. Be kind to yourself.
Oh MrsG! That sounds like one horrible day. It amazes me why some people do the jobs they do when they do them soooo badly. I would've been ready to slap that stupid woman. But karma will come back to get her one day. What an insensitive thing to say! Just terrible. And in this day and age when there are many women in their 40s having babies anyway. Hope it is all over and done with for you soon and don't let negative Nelly's like her plant any seeds of doubt in your mind as for your future ttc. Thinking of you. Xxoo
Noooooo.... what a horrible, horrible woman. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
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That is just beyond acceptable in so many ways! If you feel up to it, I would register a formal complaint to the hospital.
I am keeping you in my prayers, and I am sending lots of strength and healing your way [emoji8]
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My Ovulation Chart
I agree with XX, I would file a complaint against the radiologist. It was completely unprofessional and offensive for her to ask you whether the pregnancy was planned and criticize you over your age. She was WAY out of line for any situation, much less dealing with a miscarriage when one would normally expect some sensitivity.
I'm so sorry. I don't even have the words.
11w0d
This morning I had a dream that I gave birth without any pain & the baby was all perfectly formed in a crystal clear sac which fit in my palm. It was a BOY! Every feature was perfectly formed and i could see everything. I was fumbling around with the camera trying to get a picture of him. My mother was there (i have no idea why bc we haven't spoken for years) and I was deciding what to name him tossing about "Charles" or something else....when suddenly the baby opened his eyes and he had the bluest eyes I've ever seen. Even though he was still in his sac, I could hear his voice clear as day in my mind..and he said "My name is Fox". I told him he was beautiful and I was sorry he couldn't stay and he replied that he was happy where he was. Then the sac started to turn cloudy and i was upset bc something was wrong with the camera and I was trying to get a picture of his face. I thought what a shame I wouldn't see him grow up and know what he looks like. Then the sac burst and I was holding the baby in my palm but he was bigger now -asleep. He just kept growing bigger and bigger until he was the size of a full term term baby. I could see his face but he remained perfectly still - always asleep ....it was then I realized I was holding a stillborn child in my arms. :(
Then I woke up feeling "wet".
When I opened my eyes i gasped bc the overnight maxi was soaked, pj were bloody but only in the front, my sheets & my blankets had a blood stain the size of a dinner plate on them, but I was in NO PAIN. NONE! My youngest had crawled into bed with me and with wide eyes declared "Mommy, there's BLOOD everywhere!"....so I smiled at him and explained that Mommy had a "little accident"....but he rushed downstairs to tell everyone while I started ripping the sheets off the bed.
Then I locked the door and went to the bathroom and i felt a huge clot in my soaked underwear. It was the size of a grapefruit! I placed it in a strainer and cleaned myself up. I started searching through the clots looking for the sac, carefully breaking each piece in my fingers...but they all kept breaking apart. I couldn't find anything :(
Went downstairs and put the sheets in the washer...that's when DH stopped in the doorway. He didn't say anything, he just held me and gave me a big hug.....then I lost it and started sobbing. We just stood there in silence for a very long time without saying a word. That he just "knew" what was happening without me having to spell it all out for him touched me deeply.
After a few minutes, he asked if I needed anything and I told him to take the kids to see that new Star Wars movie. I drank another cup of STRONG RRL and started making chicken soup. Took my BP which was stable and I am lying in bed frustrated that I couldn't find the sac.
Now my bleeding has completely STOPPED cold turkey. I am so so upset that I couldn't find the placenta & sac. When i passed it, the clot literally looked like a big piece of calves liver. Then after I composed myself, i started fishing thru the strainer with my fingers trying to feel around for anything that felt like tissue. I just made a huge mess and it looked like chopped up liver by the time I was done. there was something that seemed like a membrane but when I put it in the saline it literally dissolved and I was left with a container of bloody saline and some stringy stuff.
Absolutely nothing grey or tissue like or anything like my last miscarriage (where the placenta/sac was the size of my palm, dark maroon, felt fleshy & firm and couldn't be broken up)
I feel so stupid for flushing the clots away. Now i wonder if I missed something? If I did, it would probably be too tiny for testing.
I've had 5 miscarriages and never one like this. All that prep for nothing.
I feel GREAT! I was baking cookies this afternoon. I literally feel gypped in my miscarriage - I FREAKING SLEPT RIGHT THRU IT! :mad:
My "Unconsious Miscarriage" I'm calling it.
Wow MrsG! I don't know what to say either, except that I'm relieved that you didn't haemmoragh and/or have to have a D&C. Don't forget a lot of what you are feeling now is due to all your hormones. Give yourself time Hun. And look after yourself. You don't have to decide right now if you want to ttc again. Right now your priority is just taking care of yourself for your own health and so you can take care of your precious boys. I'm soooo sorry you are going through all of this again. It's just horrendous and it's the one thing that terrifies me about getting pregnant again. I get terrified of another horrible miscarriage, haemmorrage or getting pregnant with a baby with something wrong with it. I just don't know if I have the emotional strength to deal with any of those scenarios. Right now, I am planning to go back and do some work next year to earn some money while my littlest man is at kinder. I am also planning to get myself (and kids) a red toy poodle puppy (fur baby). I also plan to get some counselling in the New Year to help me come to terms with the end of my babymaking days and how to look forward to other new chapters. Mind you, I will be still ttc as well and if it happens, then all well and good, but if it doesn't....I'll be ok with that as well. I do have a friend who only ever managed to have one child of her own (a boy) and they also ended up with a little foster boy as well, so it helps me when I remember there are people out there and around me like that, and I have been blessed to have three. Anyway, don't give up on yuor dream just yet my dear. Have yuo been taking ubiquinol at all? I have a friend on that Facebook group who swears that she got pregnant successfully when she upped her ubiquinol intake from 200 to 400mg per day. Could've just been coincidence, I don't know, but she had a miscarriage after taking 200, but when she upped it to the 400 she got successfully pregnant and gave birth at 46 years to a little boy. I think she was taking some other supps as well that sway boy, but maybe if you try that honey it might work for you too? I am wanting to do that as well, but right now this close to Xmas, I don't have money to buy myself a new face moisturiser let alone ubiquinol. Lol! I will start it in the New Year. Take care of yourself, and have lots more cuddles with DH and your boys. Thinking of you and keeping you in my prayers. Xxxooo
Started bleeding profusely today. Passed out & barfed @ home. DH called 911. Now at hospital.
Please pray 4 me :(
Hope you are better soon xx
Oh no MrsG...just read your latest update. How horrible! I'm soooo sorry you are going through this. I hope and pray this nightmare will be over for you quickly so you can be home again with DH and your boys. What a dreadful thing to endure right before Christmas. My heart aches for you Hun. I know it's terrifying, but you will be ok and that's the main thing. Big hugs your way. Xxoo
Your experience sounds harrowing. I'm so sorry you haven't been treated with the care and empathy that you deserve.
Please post an update when you are able. Thinking of you. X
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So the ER doc did an internal and my birth canal & cervix was filled with clots...which he removed. Then bleeding tapered off considerably. A couple hrs later obgyn consult arrived and did ANOTHER internal...he sponged off the remaining blood and thinks my cervix is done for now.
I am being held overnight for obsevation bc my hemoglobin is very low. Getting an us and more labs in the morning.
Please pray that I've passed it all and won't need surgery and can go back home to my babies :(