ttc thread - swaying again in 2017 :)

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Originally Posted by amelia10

Sounds interesting, thank u so much for your detailled response. Don't know if I would have the willpower to stick to it tho ... You must be very disciplined ��

Yes I've decided to attempt this month as we had 3 attempts the end of last year and nothing so we might as well give it a shot. So few more days until our attempt and what's meant to be is meant to be, plus I'm starving all the time on the Le Diet so it will be nice to revert back to SOME (not all) of my eating habits ��

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im really enjoying it it makes me feel much better than i do when i eat all day long!! so that really helps me to stick at it :) ahh im so excited for you!! good luck my fingers are crossed for you keep us updated!! xx

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Originally Posted by Throwaway_panther

I really miss IF. It was sort of my middle ground of "not succumbing to my eating disorder," (though I did slip shortly before conceiving my DD out of anxiety of the future weight gain with a pregnancy.)

For anyone curious, I was fully following IF when I conceived my DD (granted I was also undereating, but I followed an IF lifestyle even on the days when I ate more).

Definitely not a good idea to follow during pregnancy in response to I think someone else -- I just had eaten like that so long, I did with my DD until I tripped a positive on the gestational diabetes test. My midwife and I both agreed that I really didn't have it (it was literally a few points over on ONE part of the test, too) and that my chronic eating pattern (in addition to virtually no carbs before and during pregnancy) made me an uncommon minority with the test. Had no fluid issues, no other issues, low BP, any random blood sugar test was always fine, and my DD was born a healthy 6 lb 10 oz with no blood sugar issues... so no IF during pregnancy, haha.

For anyone curious, no detox is necessary to start it, and people vary in how they do IF. Some people do full 24 hour fasts, others keep it to a 14 hour range. I used to follow a 16-20 hour range, sometimes doing a full 24+.

Leangains.com is a good resource. I think my only thought with IF + LE is that supposedly IF can raise testosterone, and the jury still seems semi-out on how that plays with swaying. Regardless, I was a longtime IF-er + LE-er and got a girl.

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thankyou for your reply TP :) i didnt realise you were doing IF when you got your girl!

yes i agree i wouldnt do it when pregnant, thats scary that it gave you a positive on the diabeties test!! thank god you were both ok and it was just diet related..

the one i follow starts with the detox so i just go along with it.. the point is that you can then add in a small lunch time meal if you want too, but generally i dont, like you i sit in the 16-18 hour range and that really seems to suit me :) i will have a look at that website! thankyou for suggesting it.

YES it does raise testosterone!! (eek) but i think its very minimal especially in women.. personally i feel that the 16+ hours of low blood sugar will sway pink much harder than a tiny T boost will sway blue but maybe im wrong!! both you and i have girls from IF so i'll take that!! :) but would be interested to hear oppinions.

how are you finding the HE diet? im not sure id manage well on it it seems more complex than LE (though i dont know much about it so maybe im missing the point!!) just seen your sig how are you getting on with your thyroid issues? do they think that is the reason for the losses? again im so sorry you have been through this, praying you can sort it and get your boy xx

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Originally Posted by kittendreams

Thanks 4 blue x can't wait to watch your journey this year really hoping you get another girl. I'm one of three girls with 2 older brothers I love big families!

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thankyou so much kitten :) i will update on here and my fingers are crossed for you too!! i love big families so much i think they are amazing <3 wow how did you find it growing up as one of 5? your so lucky to have all those siblings :D would you like a big family of your own? xx

so excited for you both Butterflies and Amelia!! my fingers are crossed for you both and keep us updated :) sending you both loads of pink dust :HH: xx

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Originally Posted by 4blue2pink

thankyou so much kitten :) i will update on here and my fingers are crossed for you too!! i love big families so much i think they are amazing <3 wow how did you find it growing up as one of 5? your so lucky to have all those siblings :D would you like a big family of your own? xx

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Thanks 4 blue.
Being in a big family was great never a dull moment and always something to do or someone to play with. Now we are all adults it's so good when we all get together and we still help eachother and hang out a lot.
I would love a big family but DH only wants 3.....

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Originally Posted by 4blue2pink

thankyou for your reply TP :) i didnt realise you were doing IF when you got your girl!

yes i agree i wouldnt do it when pregnant, thats scary that it gave you a positive on the diabeties test!! thank god you were both ok and it was just diet related..

the one i follow starts with the detox so i just go along with it.. the point is that you can then add in a small lunch time meal if you want too, but generally i dont, like you i sit in the 16-18 hour range and that really seems to suit me :) i will have a look at that website! thankyou for suggesting it.

YES it does raise testosterone!! (eek) but i think its very minimal especially in women.. personally i feel that the 16+ hours of low blood sugar will sway pink much harder than a tiny T boost will sway blue but maybe im wrong!! both you and i have girls from IF so i'll take that!! :) but would be interested to hear oppinions.

how are you finding the HE diet? im not sure id manage well on it it seems more complex than LE (though i dont know much about it so maybe im missing the point!!) just seen your sig how are you getting on with your thyroid issues? do they think that is the reason for the losses? again im so sorry you have been through this, praying you can sort it and get your boy xx

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You are the sweetest! Thank you for your words <3

And yeah, I don't think the IF raising testosterone necessarily ruins a sway... after all, like you said, I got a girl with IF! I just also was following an IF PLUS LE lifestyle... so while I was following the "one meal a day" type deal, I was also really undereating and definitely eating low protein and low everything, haha. I would just hope any girl swayers would note that -- I can imagine following IF but sticking to more HE food choices (like leangains.com recommends just for fitness) might backfire.

I actually don't think the HE diet is too complex at all -- the supplements and stuff and all that aren't necessary; I personally take any that are safe while breastfeeding because I've been taking so many pills all my life as is that it's literally no issue for me to take more, haha. I get a good feeling of control/satisfaction from taking them, even.

Otherwise, HE is pretty easy; pair a carb with a protein and eat frequently -- which is actually the old foot advice dieticians used to give, anyway. Foodwise my issues are -- me missing IF! Haha. Eating frequently is something I picked up anyway mid-pregnancy, and was something of a necessity when beginning breastfeeding, but now about 7 months out... it's hard to not just go back to skipping tons of meals and undereating. I was never a snacker, either, so that's a weird thing to get a handle on. At this point, I'm just splitting my lunches and dinners into two meals so I'm just sort of slow eating, haha.

But yeah, my endo has now said he's pretty sure, considering how easily I get pregnant, that my hypo T4 levels (only ONE of them is hypo, but the most important) could definitely explain the losses. Even looking up recurrent early miscarriages and chemical pregnancies usually brings up results that say it's common and usually an issue with the chromosomes "unless there is a thyroid or other hormonal disorder." :( It's upsetting, because it makes me wonder if I just lost two healthy embryos because *I* was the problem.

I have found my endo pain has really eased since being on LE I don't know if it's the vitex but I feel so much better around O time compared to being curled up on the sofa in pain normally xx


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Originally Posted by kittendreams

Thanks 4 blue.
Being in a big family was great never a dull moment and always something to do or someone to play with. Now we are all adults it's so good when we all get together and we still help eachother and hang out a lot.
I would love a big family but DH only wants 3.....

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:D i love hearing from people who loved being in a big family and who have remained close as adults, i truly hope my lot feel the same when they are all older..
aww well i hope your DH has a change of heart!! its funny how that does happen on this site ALOT!! xx

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Originally Posted by Throwaway_panther

You are the sweetest! Thank you for your words <3

And yeah, I don't think the IF raising testosterone necessarily ruins a sway... after all, like you said, I got a girl with IF! I just also was following an IF PLUS LE lifestyle... so while I was following the "one meal a day" type deal, I was also really undereating and definitely eating low protein and low everything, haha. I would just hope any girl swayers would note that -- I can imagine following IF but sticking to more HE food choices (like leangains.com recommends just for fitness) might backfire.

I actually don't think the HE diet is too complex at all -- the supplements and stuff and all that aren't necessary; I personally take any that are safe while breastfeeding because I've been taking so many pills all my life as is that it's literally no issue for me to take more, haha. I get a good feeling of control/satisfaction from taking them, even.

Otherwise, HE is pretty easy; pair a carb with a protein and eat frequently -- which is actually the old foot advice dieticians used to give, anyway. Foodwise my issues are -- me missing IF! Haha. Eating frequently is something I picked up anyway mid-pregnancy, and was something of a necessity when beginning breastfeeding, but now about 7 months out... it's hard to not just go back to skipping tons of meals and undereating. I was never a snacker, either, so that's a weird thing to get a handle on. At this point, I'm just splitting my lunches and dinners into two meals so I'm just sort of slow eating, haha.

But yeah, my endo has now said he's pretty sure, considering how easily I get pregnant, that my hypo T4 levels (only ONE of them is hypo, but the most important) could definitely explain the losses. Even looking up recurrent early miscarriages and chemical pregnancies usually brings up results that say it's common and usually an issue with the chromosomes "unless there is a thyroid or other hormonal disorder." :( It's upsetting, because it makes me wonder if I just lost two healthy embryos because *I* was the problem.

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yes your right i imagine eating a really high nutrient diet while IF would come back to bite you sway wise.. im not a big meat eater anyway and if i do eat it its always white meat and only a small amount, i developed a huge meat aversion during my last pregnancy that im still not over!! i try to do LE type foods when i eat.

im glad your finding HE good and ive got to say re you enjoying the control/satisfaction of it all.. you are such a boy mum!!!!! keep up with the snacking im convinced its the biggest key to blue :) i feel you with the slow eating haha i have to split my IF meals down over a longer period too as i cant sit and eat a large amount in one go, ive always bin like that which is why i got into the habit of just picking at small bits of food all day everyday (and got 4 boys haha)

this must be so tough for you <3 but im so glad you have found an answer, because it means you can work towards sorting it out, and it hits home with me when you say about feeling you were the problem.. when i lost my daughter she underwent a full postmortem and i had blood tests and swabs done for infection and things.. my results were normal so i cant blame it on an infection, and her results were all normal too, she was 100% normal and healthy and so was her placenta and cord, i have always felt that i failed her because there was no reason for her death, she was as normal and healthy as all my other babies yet she still didnt make it.. i was initially convinced i couldnt carry girls as i had 3 boys in a row after her!! but i have now been able to lay that to rest thanks to my 2 youngest girls, but i will always feel that she shouldn't have died.. i hope me saying this isnt upsetting you more, i dont often go into details because it can be upsetting for others to read but i just wanted to say that i understand where you are coming from and i have everything crossed for you for your next pregnancy xx

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Originally Posted by 4blue2pink

yes your right i imagine eating a really high nutrient diet while IF would come back to bite you sway wise.. im not a big meat eater anyway and if i do eat it its always white meat and only a small amount, i developed a huge meat aversion during my last pregnancy that im still not over!! i try to do LE type foods when i eat.

im glad your finding HE good and ive got to say re you enjoying the control/satisfaction of it all.. you are such a boy mum!!!!! keep up with the snacking im convinced its the biggest key to blue :) i feel you with the slow eating haha i have to split my IF meals down over a longer period too as i cant sit and eat a large amount in one go, ive always bin like that which is why i got into the habit of just picking at small bits of food all day everyday (and got 4 boys haha)

this must be so tough for you <3 but im so glad you have found an answer, because it means you can work towards sorting it out, and it hits home with me when you say about feeling you were the problem.. when i lost my daughter she underwent a full postmortem and i had blood tests and swabs done for infection and things.. my results were normal so i cant blame it on an infection, and her results were all normal too, she was 100% normal and healthy and so was her placenta and cord, i have always felt that i failed her because there was no reason for her death, she was as normal and healthy as all my other babies yet she still didnt make it.. i was initially convinced i couldnt carry girls as i had 3 boys in a row after her!! but i have now been able to lay that to rest thanks to my 2 youngest girls, but i will always feel that she shouldn't have died.. i hope me saying this isnt upsetting you more, i dont often go into details because it can be upsetting for others to read but i just wanted to say that i understand where you are coming from and i have everything crossed for you for your next pregnancy xx

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You didn't upset me at all, and I'm so, so sorry you struggled with all of that. Knowing what I know about science, it makes me wonder if one day they'll discover some unknown condition that might have been the cause. Not all genetic and chromosomal issues are recognized yet -- we only can recognize and explain a few, so even if she seemed "normal," it's possible something was still off. It's crushing, and brutal, but definitely nothing you did <3

My therapist pointed out to me -- back when I was pregnant with my DD and so depressed I thought I'd even miscarry my DD -- women carry healthy babies through war zones, through addiction, etc. We -- at least, people like you and me (I guess boy moms, haha) -- are so desperate for control that we'll look to blame ourselves first rather than chalk things up to "it just happened." Finding "reasons" feels better than thinking we don't have that control.

It's funny that you developed a long standing meat aversion from your pregnancy that can only help your girl sway -- I developed a coffee aversion at literally 3 weeks pregnant with my DD that has still not gone away! It's like our kids are helping our sways ;)

Six children under the age of 7??? That is incredible, what a wonderful family! Best of luck :)

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Originally Posted by Throwaway_panther

You didn't upset me at all, and I'm so, so sorry you struggled with all of that. Knowing what I know about science, it makes me wonder if one day they'll discover some unknown condition that might have been the cause. Not all genetic and chromosomal issues are recognized yet -- we only can recognize and explain a few, so even if she seemed "normal," it's possible something was still off. It's crushing, and brutal, but definitely nothing you did <3

My therapist pointed out to me -- back when I was pregnant with my DD and so depressed I thought I'd even miscarry my DD -- women carry healthy babies through war zones, through addiction, etc. We -- at least, people like you and me (I guess boy moms, haha) -- are so desperate for control that we'll look to blame ourselves first rather than chalk things up to "it just happened." Finding "reasons" feels better than thinking we don't have that control.

It's funny that you developed a long standing meat aversion from your pregnancy that can only help your girl sway -- I developed a coffee aversion at literally 3 weeks pregnant with my DD that has still not gone away! It's like our kids are helping our sways ;)

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glad i didnt offend you :) and yeah your right we dont know everything that can go wrong yet and i hope they can one day find ways to test for more abnormalities etc so that more people can get answers.. thankyou for your kind words <3
not having reasons is difficult as you say its easier to have an answer than just to say "it happened" and accept it at that.
isnt that strange that we both ended up with aversions that work in our favour!! :) can only be a good thing right!!

totally unrelated.. but ive got to ask where did your username come from? its so original :) xx

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Originally Posted by The Anchor

Six children under the age of 7??? That is incredible, what a wonderful family! Best of luck :)

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yes!! :D 6 years and 5 months between oldest and youngest, most people think im crazy but i love small age gaps and wouldnt have it any other way!! (though some days can be tough!!) Thankyou so much!! <3 best of luck to you too :) xx

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Originally Posted by 4blue2pink

so excited for you both Butterflies and Amelia!! my fingers are crossed for you both and keep us updated :) sending you both loads of pink dust :HH: xx

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Thank u sweetheart .. excited and nervous and half contemplating on holding off because I'm afraid I won't get my desired gender and this is our last :-( .. tomorrow is Friday 13th and our attempt so might be lucky for us .. who knows, I might have to have a few glasses of wine and go for it x

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Originally Posted by amelia10

Thank u sweetheart .. excited and nervous and half contemplating on holding off because I'm afraid I won't get my desired gender and this is our last :-( .. tomorrow is Friday 13th and our attempt so might be lucky for us .. who knows, I might have to have a few glasses of wine and go for it x

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aww bless you, i dont wanna scare you or anything but that "fear" of getting an opposite will always be there no matter how long you wait.. holding off is only delaying the inevitable which is that you go for it and then have to hope that it worked!! waiting to see if your sway has worked after getting your bfp is so nerve wracking im not gonna lie!! but i still say go for it!! and wine is good for pink so might as well make a fun night of it haha :D we are all behind you 100% in hoping you get your little girl <3 wishing you all the luck in the world if you do decide to go for it and sending you pink dust, let us know what you decide :) xx

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Originally Posted by 4blue2pink

glad i didnt offend you :) and yeah your right we dont know everything that can go wrong yet and i hope they can one day find ways to test for more abnormalities etc so that more people can get answers.. thankyou for your kind words <3
not having reasons is difficult as you say its easier to have an answer than just to say "it happened" and accept it at that.
isnt that strange that we both ended up with aversions that work in our favour!! :) can only be a good thing right!!

totally unrelated.. but ive got to ask where did your username come from? its so original :) xx

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Haha, it's an account name I've used elsewhere online. "Throwaway" because other sites refer to 'throwaway' accounts when you don't want to have your real account associated with things (which I am super secret about with this! Very few know my GD) and "panther" because that was actually my very first internet handle back in the day -- I was using it as early as 11 11 online!

i love it!! :D no-one knows about my profile on here either, they also dont know that i swayed for my youngest and plan on doing so for all future babies, its not something i share with anyone (except my partner) let me know how things go with your thyroid issues, i really hope you can sort it all out asap and then go ahead with ttc <3 just wanted to let you know you are in my thoughts xx

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Originally Posted by Butterflies buttercups

He has got some will it help with a pink sway though ?
I don't want anything to sway blue !! Xx


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Was it in your sway plan BB?? You guys, if you have plans please do what is in the plans and NOT what others on the site are doing at least not with checking with me first!

CD22 here and now the latest I've ever ovulated. Not ttc this month but any ideas how to 'pop' this egg!!

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Was it in your sway plan BB?? You guys, if you have plans please do what is in the plans and NOT what others on the site are doing at least not with checking with me first!

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Yes it was but I remember now we said to leave it out as hubby as low -medium sperm count so hasn't taken any .

Attempt coming up next week!


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Hi! I'm from uk. Can I join?
I am
Not actively ttc. I had anorexia 12-23, then was binging and conceived son while in therapy age 24. I then was eating fine but had hyperthyroidism and conceived second son quite underweight.
I have always 'blamed' husband side because it is ALL boys but I realise it's likely me. I adore my boys so I don't mean blame for them, just the reason as to why there are no girls.
I snack frequently, terrible with biscuits and chocolate. The le diet will be really hard for me as I have a tendency to go sod this and quit. So I think January I will try to stop snacking, February stop having breakfast and go vegetarian for food choices. My husband will not be happy though as he loves meat and I want to not argue over it. How have others got around this as I don't want to cook a completely different dinner for me than for my family. I did this when ill and I know my husband will start worrying about me. Also don't want my boys thinking mummy is eating different too much. Maybe I over think these things!


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Also going to get a plan when we really go for it as I know I need support and I don't want to become obsessive


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CD22 here and now the latest I've ever ovulated. Not ttc this month but any ideas how to 'pop' this egg!!

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hey dd :) if i were you id start a new thread in the forums for this question so that atomic will be able to see it and answer you, im afraid i cant help and with this been the latest you've ever o'd id say atomic is the one you need to ask, it may be you need to change something diet/supps wise etc..
other than the delayed ovulation i hope your sway is going well :) keep us updated on how you get on, and sending you blue dust!! xx

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Originally Posted by Thinkpinkplease

Hi! I'm from uk. Can I join?
I am
Not actively ttc. I had anorexia 12-23, then was binging and conceived son while in therapy age 24. I then was eating fine but had hyperthyroidism and conceived second son quite underweight.
I have always 'blamed' husband side because it is ALL boys but I realise it's likely me. I adore my boys so I don't mean blame for them, just the reason as to why there are no girls.
I snack frequently, terrible with biscuits and chocolate. The le diet will be really hard for me as I have a tendency to go sod this and quit. So I think January I will try to stop snacking, February stop having breakfast and go vegetarian for food choices. My husband will not be happy though as he loves meat and I want to not argue over it. How have others got around this as I don't want to cook a completely different dinner for me than for my family. I did this when ill and I know my husband will start worrying about me. Also don't want my boys thinking mummy is eating different too much. Maybe I over think these things!


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hey :) welcome and of course you can join!! im afraid im not the right person to answer your questions but i think easing into the diet is a very good idea :) wishing you lots of luck with your sway, keep us updated with how you get on!! xx

Hi all!

We are going to sway this summer. My boys are 3 and almost 1, and I really want to enjoy a summer with them and not be pregnant. We also have 3 vacations planned in the spring/summer, and I would like to not be exhausted, nauseous, etc and enjoy some alcohol. I'm impatient and would love to start now, but logically I know we need to wait a bit.

I plan on focusing on what I did with my boys and do the opposite. I am not planning on following LE diet to the extreme because I tend to get neurotic and obsessive, and truthfully I would be thrilled with a third boy :) I am temping now and plan to continue, so I should have a good idea of my cycles by the time summer rolls around. Good luck to everyone TTC!

I think the not obsessing is so true. I know with my boys I had moderate caffeine, barely any alcohol, loads of meat and saturated fat and either didn't exercise or only moderately. Oh and bd moderately. Just going to do the opposite and try not to think of it.


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I'm still on birth control. Does anyone know if I can still test my cm ph and observe quality etc while on bc?


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I need to vent !

I've been on the diet 11 weeks a few cheats here and there but only a day at a time really except for Xmas but this weekend I've had a bad time I've had such a stressful week I just ate so much and had chicken for dinner aswell I've had breakfast yesterday and today to make myself feel better I'm not sleeping well and came downstairs to my husband who had Made eggs with muffins and chocolate crossaints so a bad weekend :(
Feeling really sh*t to be honest and annoyed with myself as our attempt was meant to be this Wednesday and now I feel like I've cheated to much this weekend to try and should hold off another month ?
I know around O it's best to keep blood sugars low and I totally haven't this weekend
I'm thinking shall I just hardly eat this week to help the Xx sperm plus work my butt off with cardio and use rephresh or just skip it completely?
Any help / advice I'd appreciate :)



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I'll just go for it anyway I think
What will be will be


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I'd go for the extreme cutting out option and then go for it. If anything your sugar level should totally plummet


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I'd use rephresh as well just in case


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I'd go for the extreme cutting out option and then go for it. If anything your sugar level should totally plummet


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Oh, happy I caught this!!

Ladies, I NEVER want you to mess up on diet and then extremely cut back to "make up for it". There are a couple reasons for this - firstly because it sets you up for a binge/purge mentality where you are constantly starving yoruself and overeating, and secondly because it can and WILL delay O to do it.

It is fine to have a bad few days on diet now and then. When you do, don't beat yourself up, just get back to dieting when you can and move on from there.

NOTHING we do in the week before O matters any more than any other time. We know this as a fact because at first we did not know how long we needed to do diet. we had people dieting very, very strictly for 2-4 weeks and still getting boys, and then anything longer than 12 weeks plus got good results even though virtually everyone relaxed on diet over that lenght of time. Longer on diet even not perfectly outweighs strict diet in the short term. :)

And this is why I am buying a plan atomic! Hah I'm clueless! I'm on some Facebook groups and the data is so misleading I think I'll leave them and just stay on here. All your responses are sensible and thought out. Not frigging insane, like turbo diets that people are raving about [emoji15]


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Originally Posted by Thinkpinkplease

I'm still on birth control. Does anyone know if I can still test my cm ph and observe quality etc while on bc?


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No, but the good news is, you don't have to, we have had dismal results testing pH with absolutely no reliable info gotten from it and most of us have totally given up on it.

Of course, it's easy to do when you've gotten a boy with pH of 4.5. So if you really feel like you MUST test, how to is here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...-ph-dh-dw.html but I do not recommend it any more after seeing soooo many pH and CM opposites going every which way.

Also, while I did happen to stumble onto a couple of q's in here today, normally I don't read the support threads because they move sooo fast and I don't have time to keep up. So when you guys have questions, please start a new thread in the forums and I'll come by and answer them out there. That way you always have the info you need. :)

Ok I won't bother if it's just going to stress me out. I think it was curiosity really. Wondering if I'm
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Thanks again atomic for reassuring me - I'll attempt this week and hope for the best x


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If I had a thousand lifetimes I'd never be able to catch up to all the misinformation. But do know this much - if you are miserable and starving, that is NOT LE Diet. It is MY diet, I invented it, and I am here to say it is meant to be easier than the other sway diets, not harder. Anyone who says different is wrong! :)

Starting the LE diet tomorrow. I am a real snacker so not looking forward to the first few days! The end result will be worth it.


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Ok I won't bother if it's just going to stress me out. I think it was curiosity really. Wondering if I'm
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The catch is that we are ALL very acidic, and ALL very alkalkine. We are meant to be acidic when we are not around ovulation, and alkaline at ovulation. In fact, sperm can't live when we aren't alkaline. Anything less than pH of 6 and sperm cannot survive. not X, and not Y. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...ph-pickle.html