They're recommending 1200 calories as a normal daily amount?!?! No wonder we have so many French blue swayers :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sora
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They're recommending 1200 calories as a normal daily amount?!?! No wonder we have so many French blue swayers :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sora
Ah yes, same with vits and supps, the amounts are very light compared to what I've read on the forum. When I saw at first the recommandations for a blue sway, I was scared because it's what is given to professionnal athletes here.:worry:
It goes that way -> 1200 for a non-preg woman
Unless she does sports regularly or has great metabolism, then she can have 1500.
More than that and you're called a hungry fatass (lots of body-shaming here sadly, hence why a lot of French girls are no heavier than 116lbs whatever their age and number of kids).
Over 1500 cals a day is for :pregnant: -> 2000 if they have a history of miscarriages or other health probs.
And even then, they are monitored and told they can't gain more than 2-4 lbs a month during pregnancy.
1800-2000 is recommended for teenagers cause growth, puberty, yada yada... And athletes of course, maybe more depending on what sports they do (swimming for example is often 4000 cals).
Side note : We did have lots of boys births though, especially these last few years, mainly to vegan parents -> my guess is they do get their 9 servings of fruits and take lots of supps so baby boys.
Also, while we're on the subject of supps, vit D is very often forgotten here. You get a bit of folic when you say you want TTC, a bit of vit C + iron and then you're basically on your own.
Hey, I got 4 boys and never used Preseed! Natural EWCM is best anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sora
Yesterday's attempt will only help, esp. given that good EWCM.
Yep 3 attempts if possible, if you can only get in two that's ok (that's where yesterday attempt will really help!) And then if you can go again the day after O that's great, then every other day if possible to guard against delayed ovulation.
Ok thank you atomic !
Started bleeding today and it hurts. I think it's AF. Not overly surprised but disappointed.
I've been a bit remiss in the diet during 2ww especially since it was a bit hard on our finances, buying all these fruits and meat with the other bills we had to pay.
Do you think I hurt my sway ? I wonder if I may try this cycle again. After that idk but if it doesn't work it's possible we will put our project on hold for maybe a few months. I'm already overweight and I put on some pounds with HE diet so maybe I should try and loose a bit before ttc again. I don't want to be TTC while loosing weight and getting a girl instead.
No it's totally fine to fall off a bit in the 2WW with HE Diet. Jsut as long as your blood sugar is up otherwise.
I think it's fine for you to try this cycle; remember there may be a peak of boy conceptions in Sept-Nov. so we are coming into that season now!
Thank you atomic !
Yes I remembered about the boy peak of autumn yesterday. But DH and I realized that since O was delayed, it will now happen at a time when he will not be home for August/September so TTC this cycle won't be possible after all. We agreed to try during October/November. I will use the time to pick back weights and maybe add CoQ10 and probiotics to my supps.
How much of these should I take btw ? I used to take a small amount of probiotics from time to time but I see there are much bigger ones.
Oh bummer, but that's ok, I like to think this is just God/the universe's way of making sure you can have the best sway you can.
I would try to stop weight gain and pick the weights up and see what happens. If a small amount of weight sneaks off, it is ok. We have not found small amounts of weight loss to be predictive of whose sways work.
100 mg coq10 and then the probiotics, just get a name brand you feel comfortable with and take that. They're all formulated differently and we don't know if a higher dose is better than a lower one.
Okay thank you.
Yes in some way I'm a bit okay with having more time to refine my sway. Still a bit sad it didn't work though especially since we tried so hard despite the heat and the delay. Even though I know it's one in four chance, I can't help but feel like this is my fault somewhere somehow, especially since DD2 happened SO easily when we didn't wish for another pregnancy too soon. DH is still a bit traumatized about how quick and easy it was (took 8 months+ for DD1). :worry:
I wonder if muscle gain even counts as weight loss (read, the body picking it up as a signal of danger and bad times) seeing as you're just replacing pounds of fat with pounds of muscles. Too much may not be good, sure, and it can throw the cycle off but otherwise you're more healthy when you're more muscular than fat so...
We know that it's ok to lose fat and gain muscle because we have a good study that shows even in times of famine, the women with the most muscle mass have the most boys. Plus, a lot of us, myself included, got boys when we were weighing very much the same as when we got our daughters, just more muscle when we got our boys. So muscle is all good for TTC a boy.
Just echoing atomic, I have a long history in the fitness community, and I can tell you that retaining muscle or gaining muscle is not going to make your body think its in a famine. I think that sort of body "recomposition" is the biggest sign that the boy diet is working since you need calories and protein to keep muscle in favor of fat. And you'd never run the risk of gaining too much muscle :P It is VERY difficult to gain a lot of muscle, especially for women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sora
:agree: :agree: :agree: Well put, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Throwaway_panther
Hi Sora!
I was wondering if you already got your BfP...?
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Hi, no. I'm not TTC as of now. Can't because DH is not there most of the next O-days and I'm still loosing weight. Put on too much lbs with my first few tries last summer. I can't afford to start a pregnancy with this much, it will ruin my health. So we are waiting for now. We may have to wait til next summer even.
Thanks for keeping us updated! Hope everything is well in your world!
You're welcome. Wish things were better. Feel a bit envious seeing the successfull sways lately, although I'm still happy for them. Still wondering why we didn't conceive last summer. Too hot ? Too much stress ? Trying to go with the flow.
Hi again atomic and everyone !
I will start TTC again soon (and getting worried as the day draws near). Starting to eat breakfast again and adding meat. Found some good dried chicken stuff to snack on, yum ! And picking up weights for good this time around !
I wanted to make sure of things concerning supps before DTD.
As of now I'm taking :
Women One a Day (daily)
Fish oil Omega 3 1000mg (every 2 days)
coq10 200mg (daily)
folic 400mg (daily)
vitD 1000ui, wich, combined with Women One a Day, makes it 2000ui/day
Need to buy back probiotics and thinking about taking more folics. But I'm worried about it delaying O ? I had another delay the past month, maybe because I caught the flu twice around and was very tired...
Also is the coq 10 really necessary ? It does wonder to my skin but since lots of girls had their boys without it idk...
Well, what do you think ?
Also DH is taking Men One a Day 50+ now !
Folic acid shouldn't delay ovulation, never had that reported to me.
The coq10 is not necessary but it may help you grow muscle with the weights.
Everything is looking great - have DH take the probiotics and Vit. D (I think they took Vit. D out of the men's One a Day over 50)
Thank you atomic !Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Yeah, I don't think folic acid had anything to do with the delay, it was just coincidence that it happened when I started taking it again I guess but just to be sure. The two flus may have been the culprit since I had a high fever both times for 3-5 days.
Hm yes now that you mention it, it seems they took some vit D off Men One a Day over 50, I noticed the iu were lower than Women... Will see to that.
About carbs, what should I do ? I gain weight easily (and don't loose it that easily) and I'm afraid of swaying pink since I'm already on the heavy side. But fruits and fruit juices still look important so...
Is V8 still good for blue ? I haven't heard of it in a while in blue sways...
Fruit juice and dry fruit is NOT important and those are the two main things that make people gain weight on the blue diet. Skip em. Have lemon water and tomato juice or V8, which is great for blue. I'd have you focus on lean meats, fresh fruit, veg, and please keep both potatoes and bananas minimal. They aren't magic boy foods and they do cause weight gain.
We say protein+carbs for boys but you really don't have to go overboard on the carbs. A small amount like in a piece of fruit is plenty. You don't need meat + potato+juice+ whole grain roll+ dark choc at every meal. That will make you gain weight. Just a very small amount of pro+ carbs will keep your blood sugar in normal range.
Okay thank you so much ! It's true that last summer I had a lot of fruit juice and dry fruits, that may be why I gained weight so quickly. And I admit having lots of potatoes too (love them sooo much but usually I tend to eat them in the dead of winter).Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
So fresh fruits it is ! Are home-made smoothies okay ? Since we will TTC in summer, I feel like it will be easier getting my portions that way. Glad not to have to go all out with bananas, still don't like them much.
About lean meats, is chicken okay ? I get the feeling that blue sways are more successfull with beef/red meat than chicken (although there were great vegetarian blue sways lately). I'm okay with red meat btw, it's just about getting a general idea in case I'm stuck with only chicken or eggs at home.
Lemon water and tomato juice I can do easily. I had V8 only once before, found it manageable so it should be okay...
About cereals and dark choc since you mentionned it, is it okay if I take them only for breakfast then ? I've seen some girls eating them at night :suprise: but can't see myself eating choc or porridge in bed haha !
Yes smoothies are great!! Depending on ingredients they have protein + carbs and you tend to sip them over long periods of time which keeps your blood sugar from dropping.
Chicken is great! I honestly have never liked red meat much, and always ate far more chicken and I have 4 boys!
Yes of course you can have the cereal/choc at any time of day, whenever it works for you!!
Thank you ! Also I was wondering : can I up vit D yet again ? I've been reading the sways of my buddies from last summer and noticed some did take lots of it in the last weeks before TTC. Since we didn't have much sun this year, wouldn't it be good for DH and I ?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I have been worried about something too. My weight is anywhere between 160 and 170 lbs to my knowledge and I'm so afraid of swaying pink because of it. Looks like a lot of swayers are so much lighter even after three or four pregnancies :SS: :nails:
I don't like anyone taking more than 1000 IU without a docs input so I'm already bending the rules a bit for you. :)
We have lots and lots of women on here with all boys whose weights are about 160-180. That is not the weight I consider concerning for a pink sway.
Thank you I feel a bit more reassured about that now.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Soo, remember how I had trouble eating eggs ever since I gorged myself with them as a student and ended up, like, super sick ? Just the smell of eggs could make me throw up !
Well, two weeks ago, I tried to eat a whole one lightly whisked with full fat milk and a bit of juice and... it worked ! You couldn't even tell there was an egg in there and I didn't need to add anything else !
IIRC, we need to eat at least 2 eggs a day if we also get meat and fish, right ? Will it be okay to have my eggs that way ? Plus, adding whole milk and juice to it will help with the nutrients or so I hope.
Also should I take iron again ?
Raw?
My concern is that you might make yourself sick. I'm not sure the benefits of the egg would make up for getting salmonella. It's your choice as I know lots of people swear by raw eggs, but I can't advocate it.
How much iron is in your prenatal or multivitamin?
True, it's more risk of getting salmonella but I really don't know what to do otherwise ? The smell of cooked egg is still a problem, plus I never liked them scrambled. Also, I only ever ate the yolk before. Usually I would leave the whites to my brother who hated the yolk and was glad to get rid of it through me. Raw seems to be my only way to gobble down the whole thing. Idk ? I could make cakes with them haha, but not sure I would get the same benefits ?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
As for iron, there's 18mg in my One a Day Women. I can't remember how much folic I'm supposed to take ? I know it's a lot more than what is usually advised ? For now I've been taking 800 mcg/day.
Just skip them. Have cheese, nuts, beans instead. I promise it's ok.
YES you can also put them in baked goods - cakes and bread. The nutrition is the same.
Unless you have reason to think you're anemic I'd just stick with the iron in the One A Day.
The recommendation is 2000 but if you're not drinking green tea, if you'd like to continue with the 800 plus the amount in the One A Day that's fine. :)
I know I was a bit anemic but I don't know if it still stands. I drink green tea :nails: I can stop, I won't miss it much but I also drink black tea, red tea, white tea... Should I up iron and B9 then to be sure ?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
If you have a history of anemia you can take extra iron 3x a week. Just get the lowest dose you can find, 30-60 mg max, and don't take it daily, only 3x a week.
I would have you take the 2000 mcg folic or folate and keep drinking the tea.
I still have iron at home but it's 80mg. Should I try taking it but like, once a week ?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I still don't understand much about folic and folates, is one better than the other or is it just for people who can't have folics and who should switch on folates ?
I'll try to pancake my eggs :giggle: I've seen there's also powdered eggs (usually for people who are into camping or for military purpose but really anyone can buy these), would it do the trick ? I remember these are usually treated against salmonella.
About DH, is One a Day Men enough or should he take other supps too ? Also, if I'm not mistaken, you've got to get at least 90g proteins a day, right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Also about guaifenesin... I found this, is that okay ?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...14YGBNNW&psc=1
2x a week on the 80 mg.
Some people can't have folic acid and must have folate.
I don't think the eggs are important enough to resort to powdered eggs. I'd just have them in baked goods!
Yes most everything hubby needs is in the Men's One a Day. Some add in carnitine and arginine, and everyone will benefit from probiotic.
Yes that Guaifenesin is great.
90+ g protein is great, but anything more than you were having is fine. If you can only get up to 85 g, but you were having 40 g, that's still going to be blue friendly.
Ended what was left of my 80mg iron so like you said, I should try to find one who isn't too high, like around 60mg ?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I have a bit of trouble with the proteins. I was always under 40g and there's not much food around here (at least, cheap food) that has lots of them. I often have a hard time even getting to 60g per day. Sometimes I manage to go up to 80g though. Any tips that could help ?
I'm just 8-9 days into the HE and TTC at the start of July if all goes well. Have had another little prob lately : I'm not hungry. Got a stomach ache this week at the start of AF, nothing serious, just felt under the weather but since then I have had zero appetite.
I try to eat breakfast, had some chocolate and milk first when my stomach was still too upset and now I'm eating cereals mixed with 2-3 whole-milk yoghurts and crushed almonds. But I feel weird the rest of the time. I'm not hungry at all and not because I feel sick. It's just like... I don't need to eat ? Sometimes I will convince myself to munch on something but what's weird is that I crave meat/fish in the middle of morning/afternoon. But at lunch or dinner, I can't work up my appetite at all, even if I didn't snack before, and I will just do cheese, nuts and a bit of fruits. I still try to graze regularly though, try to have 3 real meals a day whatever the hour and at least 2 snack. It's just they're all out of order...
I don't know if it can affect the sway ? I don't even know what's happening exactly, it wasn't like this last time ? At least I feel full all day long and I'm not hungry at all waking up so I guess my blood levels aren't dropping too much ?
Yes if you can find it! If you can only find 80 just take it 2x a week.
Can you tell me what you're eating for protein foods? I suspect you may just be calculating it differently.
Just eat what you can, when you can. Sometimes that happens on HE Diet, your body is just like ugh enough already! But as long as you're eating regularly and aren't going many hours with no food coming in it's ok.
So protein foods...:think:Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
-Chicken/turkey ham. 21g proteins every 100g. I eat between 140-180g a day.
- Ground almonds. 21g proteins every 100g but I'm more often around 50g-80g a day than 100g ^^". I mainly get these at breakfast/as a snack, often mixed in full fat yoghurt or cottage cheese with strawberries.
- Parmigiano reggiano cheese. 32g proteins every 100g which I have an easier time to eat around.
- Air-dried beef (bressaola and the likes) 40g proteins every 100g but you only find 60-80g in a pack. Anyway, one of the highest, if not the highest, source of animal proteins the average customer can find here.
- Sometimes I take pork gelatin shots like aira did in her blue sway. 100g yields 89g of proteins but of course I can't ingest all that at once :twins:. I only use 12g-18g mixed in fruit juice and drink it fast. I try to do that 3 times a week.
That's it for the main foods. And of course all around I graze on some other nuts like chestnuts, eats tuna twice a week, and then go with lentils, peas, eggs in cakes like we said, other cheese, full-fat dairy and so on...
I try not to go too long without food but sometimes it's hard. I see some boys moms eat like every two-hours. I managed it last summer but can't for now, I just feel full and satisfied ^^.
Another unrelated thing I forgot to ask about, is that THE preseed ?
https://www.amazon.fr/Ingfertility-P.../dp/B001G7QNKM
Because sometimes I see that one :
https://www.amazon.fr/Fertilit%C3%A9...gateway&sr=8-3
Not to mention we seem to have a french brand or whatever going around.
Up !
I think you're getting plenty of protein. I suspect you are getting way more from the other things you're eating than you realize.
They're both the same, just in different packages. Anything marked as sperm safe, conception friendly is good for blue.
Thank you, I'll go with that then :hug2:Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Never tried the preseed but I haven't got much CM these past few months (a bit weird for me)... hope it goes well ! Does coconut water really helps with that ?