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Thanks yep i agree. I just have this thought this time around that sugar is my enemy since its always been so prominent in my life up until now and i have 3 boys lol I'll allow a sweet treat once a month or something.
Can myo-inositol help restore periods?
Hey I'm drinking vodka an soda water with fresh lime juice do i need to count any of that except of course the vodka? And i just realised I've been counting my fat/pro an cals to the first decimal so instead of counting say 23.45 i just count 23.4 is that ok? Probably not ay?
Right, but you have to avoid all or nothing thinking. Look at how very different what you're doing now is from what you were doing before. It's a huge change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazzzz
One of the reasons why it is so important to allow yourself cheats is because people in your life do not understand why you're eating in odd ways. They ask a questions, which swayers find very stressful, and so swayers end up coming up with all these crazy plots and schemes to trick people into not noticing (and this is SUPER CONTROL FREAKISH and sways far more than the occasional diet cheat could). There were people back on Ingender who would write 5 page long threads with all these schemes to "get away with" eating at a holiday, at a work function, etc etc etc. Yet if you look at the diets of everyone who has kids of either gender, absolutely NONE of us ever ate straight off the girl or boy menu all the time, and there are tons of different food combos and cuisines all around the world, it just makes absolutely NO sense that anyone is getting girls or boys because they ate ONLY cranberry and rice cakes or iceberg lettuce and Top Ramen without ever eating anything else ever. It just does not add up at all. And by allowing those occasional cheats, we completely circumvent that "swaycessing" some people do around holidays and special occasions, in addition to giving more leeway to avoid getting out of control cravings, and to give your body a chance at nutrients it may be lacking.
Our good results are all in people who do occasionally cheat. Cheating does not hurt and in fact helps. Many of my opposites are in the people who are the most super strict and controlling because they have to be so constantly obsessing over their sways, at all times.
You don't need to set a time frame on cheating. As needed. That way if something comes up and you're with your sister and she wants to get a muffin, you can do that and don't think "well I already had a cheat this month so I can't." Try to let go of control when you can.
If your period had gone missing because of PCOS, then yes, it can for some people help restore cycles. Your cycles have gone missing from breastfeeding and in that case, myoinositol may actually take LONGER. This is because myoinositol can lower levels of some hormones, which is good for PCOS since it's an issue of too many of certain hormones, but not as good for cycles that have gone missing from breastfeeding, which is often caused by lower than normal hormone levels. Prolactin, caused by nursing, can make your estrogen a bit lower (this is good and how it may help a sway) but since the myo can also have similar effects (it lowers androgens all together, which if it goes too far, may have a negative effect on your overall fertility, but again, this is likely how it sways) it may make it take longer for your cycle to come back.
Lime = fruit = count calories only, not fat or protein. But if you're having a minuscule amount as a flavoring agent you'd not bother with it as it doesn't amount to anything. Try to keep in mind we're working with generalities.
Actually, just count in roiugh whole numbers. So if you have say 23.8 grams just round to 24. If you have 23.4 grams round down to 23. You do not need to do things to the decimal, that's exactly the type of detail-oriented, meaningless stuff that messes with the control freakishness factor.
Ok yes i did think about rounding it up or down that would be so much better but i didn't want to muck it up by trying to make it easier. I'm trying really hard to relax without over thinking it but I've got to be honest swaying takes up alot of my thoughts it mostly around food because I'm cooking to suit the sway, normally just meat an 3 veg but now I'm doing vege/rice bakes, soups, veg /lentil patties, vege chilli etc so a bit more planning an work so its on my mind. I like to cook really fulling meals. I cooked your idea of creamy cheesy potato bake the other night omg so so delicious i will be making it once a week for sure since the whole family was happy with it.Quote:
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Do you think i should stop the myo for now? Until my period returns? I'm not interested in delaying things even more.
I want you to make it easier on things like that!! A little more, a little less, that sort of thing is ok.
Over time, you will find you think about the sway less and less. That's one of the reasons why it's actually kinda nice to have a head start with your cycle being away for now - by the time it comes back we'll have all this figured out.
One thing that worked for me when swaying (without much planning involved) was simply cooking normal meals for my family and then I'd just not eat the meat. So I'd have a vege/salad, rice or potato side dish, sometimes a small dessert (as I wasn't on the alt. diet) or a buttered whole grain roll, and then my husband and kiddos would have meat, but I'd just not eat that. It worked really well.
I would rather you didn't use the myoinositol. It's your choice but I would not have recommended it for you).
Ok thanks for the tips i mite start having dinner sides ie vegetables with brown rice an a bit of butter since brown rice is higher in pro an need to balance the fat. I'll just cook a whole bunch of different veges an lots of them. This would be a quick an easy go to dinner.
I'll stop myo for now. I really want my period to return when its due to an not be delayed by me.
Hey was just reading an old post of yours can we eat protein an carbs together for breakfast now? I eat large meals at 11am, 3pm, and 7-8 pm. Also thought I'd update you my weight is staying put now I'm hitting 2000/60/60 so I'm happy about that.
Yes, that was something we came up with for people who had to eat breakfast. But over time we saw enough people who had to eat breakfast and still got girls anyway that we no longer worry about that. As it turned out, it was more the all day eating that was messing with sways and not just breakfast itself. There's nothing magic about breakfast, it's just the number of hours overall you're going without food coming in.Quote:
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Awesome job on getting more food!
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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
1. I was thinking what if its actually eating at night that sway more blue because after like 3 o'clock our bodies fat burning slows right down so people trying to lost weight are told to have an early dinner 5-6 then nothing till breakfast i watched a programme about how our bodies work an diets etc
2. Also whats your thoughts on maca powder for restarting periods? I used it after having my first 2 children an it brought my period back within 7 days each time. It apparently stabilises hormones
3. I know on the alt sugar is to be avoided or limited but does that go for artificial sweeteners too? I was thinking since it doesn't raise blood sugar maybe its ok? I thought i could get away with baking something like wholemeal fruit muffins with some artificial sweetener in them. This is me wanting sweet but avoiding "sugar" lol
1) We can sit around speculating all we want about "maybe it's this or that" but we simply do not know. That having been said, it makes no sense whatsoever that it's "eating at this hour or that hour" because the most likely explanation as to why swaying works is that it gives a baby of a certain gender a better chance of survival and growing up to pass down genes to future generations. So if you don't have enough calories coming in for a baby boy, why in the heck would that change because you ate dinner at 8pm instead of 6? These very fine details simply don't add up to affecting a sway, AND they contribute to control freakishness by encouraging you guys to be thinking about your sway every minute of every hour of every day.
What makes the most sense is just that eating less often helps your sway (because your blood sugar is lower on average across the days and weeks). The ONLY reason we push back breakfast is that's just the easiest time for most people to miss a meal, or push it back by a few hours. There is nothing magic about missing breakfast, it's that we are eating less often OVERALL. Some people find it easier to skip dinner. That is ok. Others are incapable of missing dinner (ME) and I had to eat pretty much last thing before going to bed or I couldn't sleep. I still got a girl doing that so whatever that program you saw on TV was saying, it certainly didn't undo my sway by eating at 8-9 PM and since tons of other people have also done that (including some blue swayers who ended up with girl opposites) I can pretty definitively say that no ones sway is wrecked by eating before bed.
This type of CONSTANT thinking, theorizing, fine tuning your sway is absolutely the worst possible thing you could be doing right now. Seriously. The more you guys focus on theories and suppositions, the more you go down these rabbitholes where you're basing sways on totally hypothetical musings instead of just doing what works for most people most of the time. Please just do what has worked for people and let go of this controlling mindset because it is ruinous to sways.
2)Please do not use maca. If I had thought maca was a good idea, I would have told you to use maca. I do not have anyone use maca (many blue swayers want to use maca, because some sites claim it sways blue and also because it's supposedly "good for fertilty") because it has caused all sorts of weird side effects, even crazy things like hallucinations and head-to-toe itching, and like literally every other hormonal herbal supplement, can actually make it take LONGER for your cycle to resume. Plus, you are nursing and there is inadequate information about safety when nursing.
Additionally, if your period came back within 7 days of using maca, then it was either a) not actually a period and you caused yourself to start bleeding by suddenly lowering your estrogen levels and triggering a breakthrough bleed that was not your period at all since it did not follow ovulation, or b)your cycle was already on its way back. Your period doesn't just "come back". In order to have a true period, you first must ovulate (and it takes a good week-10 days minimum for an egg to develop to the point it can be ovulated.) Then, 10-14 days later, your period would come. So unless you had already ovulated, your period could not have come back 7 days later from Maca. If that was a true period, you had already ovulated on your own, and if it was breakthrough bleeding, that wasn't a period anyway and taking Maca had hormonal effects on you - the same type of effects that may keep ovulation away even longer.
3)Yes, artificial sweetener is fine. You can try a wholegrain muffin with artificial sweetener if you'd like, but of course the cooked fruit will itself have sugars in it (fresh fruit is better than cooked fruit in terms of blood sugar) and if you use dry fruit like sultanas or dates, they are VERY sugary and are probably best used in extreme moderation. Since you're on the alt. diet more as a preventative than due to active PCOS, having muffins now and then, even once a day, is probably ok but I'd not treat it as a free for all and absolutely do not have them between meals, on ly with meals.
Watching the program got me thinking that's all.
Cool I won't try try the maca but i will make some wholemeal apple and cinnamon muffins for a treat that will be nice since i love to bake and normally would bake sweet treats a few times a week before swaying started. I mite make some savory muffins too that would be a quick an easy go to.
Great!!! Enjoy!
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Hey atomic I've lost a little bit more weight only 700 grams over 2wks but i really don't want to delay my period from coming back. Should i see what my weight does next week then go from there or should i add some more of something now? I am power walking for 1 hr 6-7 times a week and will now be switching to my stationery bike i just purchased and still breastfeeding 5x in 24hrs
Add more calories right now. Temporarily you might want to drop to 5 days a week exercise till the weight loss stops.
Ok cool thats fine by me I've lost motivation for daily exercise now. Do you think 60/60/2200 would be a good new target? It has been 60/60/2000 although i do struggle to get to the 60 protein an mostly hitting 45 to 55 range but i have been doing well on fat an cals.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Yes that's fine, do try to hit that protein range tho even if you have to switch out some of the carb calories for a small bit of meat.
Ok I'll try. One other thing you don't believe sweeteners play any part in swaying right? So me having Stevia as my daily sweetner is fine? I just figured i can eat more normally but just use sweetener an wholemeal instead like this morning making pancakes with sweetener an wholemeal its nice to be eating some normal things now i went into it pretty strict but have relaxed a bit and increased my variety of foods.
So pcos/alt girl sway is low to no sugar which i completely think i need to be a part of but sweetners aren't sugar so they don't count as sugar at all right? We can eat as much as the safety guidelines say right? And it won't effect our girl sway? I love sweet stuff have always eaten tons of it so I'm hoping i can just switch out real sugar for fake.
Last thing do you think it would be classed as a meal if i have a coffee sachet first thing in the morning? Heres the details its 98% sugar free coffee sachets. I'm feeling empty in the mornings now must be because I've been constantly losing weight loss this year. I get up at 6.30 and don't have breakfast till 10.30 - 11 am
Cals 50
Pro 0
Fat 2
Sugar 1
Carbs 4
Is that high carbs? I was thinking about ditching the sachets an just using a little coco in my coffee to give a chocolaty hint that would probably be better wouldn't it so i can drop these added carbs in these sachets?
Yup, I don't believe stevia sways blue but I have no data to prove it either way.
Right, artificial sweetener is not sugar. You can have it if you like on the alternate diet.
FWIW - I had tons i means loads of stevia when I got my girls.
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Ok cool thats good to know. ThanksQuote:
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Thanks atomicQuote:
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Does this look like a meal to the body would you say? It's my low sugar coffee sachets
Pro 0
Fat 2
Sugar 1
Carbs 4
How many cals in all?
Its 50cal.
Also i brought this sweetener the ingredients are sodium cyclamate and sodium saccharin. I've never brought it before an a quick Google search says in recent studies it showed to rise blood sugar, is it still ok to use as my daily sweetner? At the moment all of my coffees are with meals. But i would love a coffee first thing in the morning with the nutritional values i mentioned but but not sure if that would be considered a snack/meal? Thanks a bunch
I'd not worry about that 50 cal drink first thing in the morning. Now, if you were drinking it every 15 minutes thru the day, then yes that would be more of an issue and should be limited.
There are studies with mixed evidence on all the artificial sweeteners. Try to keep in mind that we honestly don't know how swaying works anyway; higher blood sugar is just a theory and I hate to see you guys focusing on theories that aren't really even proven, because even if they're 100 percent true, we still don't know the mechanics of it. Tons of people have used some artificial sweetener when swaying pink and gotten girls, so I know it is not a magic blue bullet, but at the same time I've seen people who are using the insane scary high amounts getting boys (now I suspect that's the control freakishness of people who do that, and not the artificial sweetener itself...but I don't know that.)
If it helps you stick to the diet overall, then I'd use it in moderation. If it's more something you can get by without, I'd keep it as a treat even as much as 1x a day but again, I'd probably not be drinking lots of servings as that's not ideal for your health anyway.
So you think sweetner may slightly sway boy? Or do you think its neutral? Is sweetener better for an alt girl sway then white sugar i guess is what I'm asking? I like using it like a cheat for replacing sugar I'm a sugar addicted boy mum lol. I use a little in my 2 coffees and 1 nightly alcoholic drink and if i bake something. Speaking of baking i baked some chocolate muffins using wholemeal flour, 100% cocoa powder, sweetner etc. I worked out the nutritional value of them and they are fine but is there anything i should watch out for when baking like anything in the cocoa, baking powder, baking soda etc? I remember people use to say cocoa sways boy. Maybe i should just make cheesy savoury muffins only.
I do not know how or if sweetener sways. I doubt it does, but I have seen some people drinking absolutely insane levels of artificial sweetener getting pretty much exclusively boys. Now, I suspect that has way more to do with the control freakishness of these people who are willing to go to such an extreme, and nothing to do with the sweetener, but since I don't think it sways pink either, I very much prefer to see you guys using safe and sane levels of intake.
My answer was actually based on your concern that your blood sugar might rise after drinking it. So if you're having something that YOU are concerned may raise your blood sugar, have it with a meal.
Overthinking your sway to this extent will not help and will in fact very badly hurt your sway. Dietary amounts of cocoa is fine. Baking powder and soda in small amounts is fine. It is limits overall that matter. So stick in the limits and use your sense about how much you're really eating and how often and you'll do fine. No need to worry about these small details.
oh and as for cocoa swaying blue, that's based on the old mineral diets. When we were first experimenting with the LE Diet, we worried about micronutrients in things like cocoa. But just like with fruit and veg, micronutrients in chocolate didn't seem to matter at all. We went from white chocolate only to milk chocolate and now people eat chocolate stuff all the time and our results are higher than ever. it just doesn't appear that these small details amount to anything. Only fortified foods and prenatal/multivitamins are to be avoided.
Cool thanks yeah i go from relaxed to freaking out over some little thing then i over think it an feel all ocd about it. I'm trying to relax i burn lavender everyday an play music to try help me relax. On a positive note I'll have clomid in 2weeks time. I have a feeling i mite ovulate this month but I'll be skipping it to avoid my next baby sharing a birth month with 4 immediate family members and 1 niece lol plus I'll add in clomid with my first cycle.
Does this look like what other successful girl swayers ate?
Breakfast
Stir-fry veg with drrssing, 3 rice wafers each with hummus
Coffee with cream an sweetener
Lunch
Vege soup with 2 wholemeal bread, greek yoghurt an fruit, coffee with cream an sweetner
Dinner
Cheesy rice/vege bake or vegetable nachos or burritos with extra veges or salad, greek yoghurt with fruit, vodka with lemon or lime soda water an sweetener
This is basically what i eat everyday its a habit now but i dont mind switching things up on random days by eating something completely different i just work it in.
Do you have the totals?? It's the right kinds of foods, but I can't sound off for sure without the totals as the limits are what matter the most.
I know how much of each i can use. I have all the basics that i eat everyday written down and i add it up at the end of the day. I'm getting 60/60/2000-2200
I worry that I'm eating to many carbs it's probably just this anxiety but i do eat 3-6 rice wafters everyday each with a tsp of hummus on top, heaps of vegetables like potatoe an leek soup, i count cals on potatoes etc, 2x bread, 1cup of rice, more high carb vegetables with dinner which i count cals on, i have dressing and pre made coffee sachets a few times a day which all have a few carbs in. My rice wafers an hummus alone can be 20 to 40 carbs alone for the day but they are so necessary they are a staple for me everyday because they are filling. So i have a high carb at each meal breakfast is rice wafers, lunch is bread and dinner is rice an high carb veg but I've realised i need these otherwise I get to hungry. What do you call to much daily carbs?
Also sorry one more thing is inulin sweetner ok on the alt? Its in my no added sugar ice-cream. It must be a fake sugar right not normal sugar since it says no added sugar on the tub?
If you are in the limits with protein, fat, and calories, and limiting sugar and white refined carbs, you cannot be getting too many carbs. I don't even want you to think about carbs on this diet because they will take care of themselves. Somewhere in this thread I wrote a mathematical example of why that is. We do not count carbs on this diet and I want you to just put that all out of your mind completely.
Yep as far as we know the inulin sweetener is fine.
Here is the explanation regarding the carbs again, from this thread (https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...ht=gluten+free) :
What we are finding is that a good chunk of people with all boys seem to have higher than average blood sugar. They have some underlying tendencies towards PCOS without having it full blown. So for most people, they do the standard LE Diet with the high carbs and they eat white carbs and sugar and their blood sugar goes up for a short time and then drops low. But those with tendencies towards PCOS, eat white carbs and sugar and their blood sugar doesn't drop as fast, meaning that they end up with high blood sugar for longer in the day (and this can also raise testosterone, tho we are no longer quite so convinced testosterone is doing anything for swaying)
We are getting such good results with the alternate diet that nowadays owhenever someone has an opposite or I have any reason to think they may have PCO-tendencies, even slightly, I always have them go to the alternate diet. Even if you don't need that diet, even if you have a normal insulin response and you got a boy for some other reason that had nothing to do with the standard diet, it will still sway pink, and that way I ensure that I am not missing anyone who does have some underlying PCO-tendencies (without needing to go in for expensive testing where we are not entirely sure what markers we'd be looking for anyway)
As it is now, the alternate diet is getting better results regardless. I would honestly have everyone switch to it but too many people end up losing tons of weight on it, and many many others cannot stick to it. So we carry on with both diets but I am very proactive about switching people over to the alt. diet whenever it seems even vaguely justified.
Now, let me explain more about the "high carbs sway pink, but PCOSers should cut carbs" notion. A higher proportion of your daily calorie intake coming from carbs rather than protein and fat has been shown to sway pink in animal studies. But for a good number of people, going onto the LE Diet (even the standard form) is NOT "high carbs" per se, and many people are eating fewer carbs than they were previously. To illustrate, I'll make up some numbers for you:
Blue moms tend to be big eaters and regularly consume 2500 cals a day. Let's say they ate 80 g protein and 80 g fat every day when not dieting. This ends up to be 320 cals from protein (4 cals per gram), 720 cals from fat (9 cals per gram), and they'd get the remaining 1400 cals from carbs (4 cals per gram) which is 350 g carbs. This seems like a lot but is right in the range of what is recommended by dieticians as a healthy carb intake for 2500 cal diet.
So let's say that same person now drops to 1500 cals a day. On the standard LE Diet they'd eat 40-50 g protein, 30-60 g fat, and on the alt. diet they'd eat 50-60 g protein, 50-60 g fat. I'm gonna ballpark this as 50 g protein and fat to make this easier. So this means they'd be getting 200 cals a day from protein, 450 cals from fat, and 850 cals from carbs. This ends up being 225 grams of carbs, less than they were eating before! So even though they feel like they're eating more carbs because it's a higher proportion of their overall food intake but they are really eating fewer carbs than they were to start out with. You get the benefits of the higher carb intake as a proportion of your diet for pink, and then additionally are getting the "lower nutrient intake" at the same time. Best of both worlds. And on the alternate LE Diet, you're eating even FEWER carbs because the whole grains, fruit, and veg have fiber that negates some of the carbs you eat.
I cannot go around calling the LE Diet "low fat, low protein, low carb" because if I did people would be starving themselves. But for the vast majority of people, they do end up eating less of all three. Most of the remainder of people end up eating about the same amount of carbs, lower protein and fat. (The numbers above obviously slide around depending on what a person's normal food intake is, but the principle stays the same) I have these limits set so you guys are swaying pink while still staying healthy enough to keep ovulating, and get and stay pregnant, but in many cases swayers are eating lower carb than you were when not dieting by virtue of the calorie restriction.
Ok cool I'm sticking to limits but had 2 cheats this week which I'm trying to forget about because i feel bad about doing it. 1 day i had a tiny slice of chocolate cake with icing normally i would eat 2 large slices I've always not cared and ate what i want and when i want. The 2nd offence was with my sister's they had cookie's an cream ice-cream and pavlova so i had a tiny serving of each. I should be proud though because i restricted myself i could of easy had a bing feast with them we're all boy mums lol but all slim so we must have pcos tendencies. One sister has 2 boys and the other is pregnant with her first baby and its a boy. Then of course i have 3 boys.
Anyway I'm confused it says high carbs sway pink but on the alt we're trying to reduce them. Also is there a chance I'm eating to much high nutritional foods i literally eat vegetables for breakfast, lunch and dinner i fill up on them. Mostly carrots, potatoes, beans, mushrooms, broccoli, cauliflower, some bell peppers. I'll eat 1/2 a kg of mix Stir-fry vegetables for breakfast alone then vegetable soup for lunch an heaps of broccoli and cauliflower with dinner like half a plate full. Seems like a ton of high nutrients. I need it to fill up. I count cals of the starchy ones like potato an i don't eat much potatoes because of the high cals
There's nothing wrong with having sugar free drinks right? I was thinking some sugar free cranberry juice or sprite would be nice in my nightly alcoholic drink or two
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Yes, artificial sweeteners are allowed on the alternate diet in drinks or wherever. You can have artificial sweeteners between meals as long as they don't have a lot of other calories from other stuff in them. Diet Sprite is fine, check the label on the cran juice just to be sure it doesn't have a lot of other calories in it, but it's likely also ok.
Both of those things were fine. No worries, I hope you enjoyed them!
We see a strange number of all-sister families who have lots of boys. This is one of those things I'd study if I had the money and a team to assist with it. Is it PCO tendencies or some other thing, I honestly can't say but you certainly aren't alone in that boat.
Did you read the thing I posted above about the carbs?? When we say "higher carbs" we don't mean eating a massive ton of carbs (which would be lots of calories and all those foods would have a lot of nutrients, say if you were eating 4000 cals a day and 500 g carbs or whatever). We mean eating a higher PERCENTAGE of your day's food intake in carbs than from protein and fat. Look in that example I posted above: this means they'd be getting 200 cals a day from protein, 450 cals from fat, and 850 cals from carbs. Do you see how this person is eating more carbs than they are protein and fat, but: This ends up being 225 grams of carbs, less than they were eating before! So even though they feel like they're eating more carbs because it's a higher proportion of their overall food intake but they are really eating fewer carbs than they were to start out with. ...this person would still be eating far fewer carbs than they had been prior to restricting calories and eating a set amount of protein and fat!! PLUS on the alternate diet you're eating healthier carbs too that won't have as bad an effect on your blood sugar in terms of the PCOS-tendencies.
Again, while we started off thinking that the nutrients in fruit and veg may possibly sway, over time we saw that it wasn't the case and it was only protein, fat, calories, plus the very concentrated nutrients in fortified foods and multivitamins that we needed to keep an eye on. We have significantly better results with the alt diet where veryone is eating lots of fruit, veg, and whole grains than we do with the standard diet where people are not eating those nutrient dense foods.
I would not tell you these things if I thought they swayed in some other direction. Our good results are all in people I gave this exact same advice to.
I gave you a more thorough explanation on the first page of this thread:
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