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Ksmom I will be moving onto e4d next cycle, one attempt doesn't seem to be working for us. 2 of by closest friends, who have all girls, were shocked that I was only having one attempt, so it's good to know they got their girls with multiple attempts. I think you are right, it's maternal state that sways the most and the diet/exercise will have done a lot for you so far.
ksmom, E3D, in addition to optimizing sperm health more than E4D, never allows for the possibility of BD 2 days in a row or 1 day apart, both of which could occur with E4D + 1, and those scenarios, especially if they occur on O-2 & O-1, O-3 + O-2, O-1 +O or O-2 + O/O-3 + O-1, are just way too many blue possibilities IMO. You have a high chance of two attempts on the days most likely to lead to conception. That's a big risk IMO, bc you are much more likely to get a blue scenario than not.
I agree diet is by far the biggest factor, but if you already have multiple boys, I think you need to keep BD as pink as possible within reason. With E3D, it's impossible for 2 attempts to fall on your most fertile days (O-2 +O-1). The worst scenario is O-3 + O, which is so much pinker than any of the above 5 bad scenarios. And with E3D, there is only 1 bad possibility vs 5! Your odds of a bad scenario with E3D are so much lower and the one bad scenario is not as bad as any of the E4D + 1 scenarios.
I hope that all made sense. If you want I can calculate the exact statistics but I'm probably overly obsessing already.
Also, atomic's statement about 2 attempts being only 10% less successful is not strictly true. That's an average, with O-3 + O maybe being only 1% less successful, and O-2 + O-1 being maybe 30% less successful (my guess), other scenarios being in between. Plus, most swayers only use OPKs to determine O day, and assume the day after first positive is O day, even though that's often not the case. So there are doubtless women who THINK they had 2 attempts, and entered that into the spreadsheet, but bc they Oed 1-3 days later than they realized, they actually only had one attempt. I believe this significant margin of error makes 2 attempts look much pinker than it actually is.
Ttc2015, are you just doing E4D or are you doing it in addition to an attempt at pos. OPK? I know that one attempt doesn't always result in a girl, that it's not a magic bullet. I'm sure plenty of boys were conceived with BD just once in the fertile window. It's comforting to know that you know girl moms who DTD more than once around ovulation.
I hope we're both able to get our DDs soon!!
Personally, I'm a fan of the E4D pattern. This typically has only one attempt in your fertile window, and you don't have the added stress of opks. E3D is my second favorite.
I agree with Maiden that E4D plus an additional attempt at positive opk, is the most blue friendly scenario by far. I would honestly choose BD E3D over E4D plus an attempt at pos opk.
FX and GL with whatever you choose! It's hard when you've been TTCing so long! I conceived my DS3 after swaying for 11mo and TTCing for 8mo! By the end, I didn't care anymore- I just wanted to get pregnant!
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Thank you Maiden! It makes sense, what you're saying. I agree that no one can really say they know exactly how many days before O they DTD without getting an ultrasound to confirm day of O or at least taking BBT. There was just so much confusion last cycle between my OPKs and chart that Atomic felt E4D+1 would be the better scenario. She also said I could do just E4D instead, whatever I prefer. I guess what I'm afraid of is having two attempts then regretting it if I get an opposite. I do want to get pregnant soon, so I'm not swaying for too long. I've already been on the diet since last May and exercise since August. I was supposed to be doing E4D last cycle but my libido was so low, I couldn't convince myself to do it. lol
Ksmom, you could just do E3D starting a week before your earliest ever O, or something like that. I feel you on the low libido, I have the same problem. :(
I've been having AWFUL cramping the past couple hours, feels in between my uterus and ovary? Maybe right side of uterus or a cyst or two on my right ovary? Or most likely both uterus & ovary, actually. Really, really bad, I so wish AF would come so I could take ibuprofen argh.
This has been a brutal LP since I stopped taking high daily doses of antihistamines, which atomic thought could be why I've not conceived. I've been so itchy off the meds I almost bled, my entire legs are scratched raw. And then there's the ear infection type pain, though it hasn't been as bad as I feared (I take the meds to control my ear pain). I never knew AH withdrawal could be so bad! I've been on them for almost a decade. And I'm not even completely off them, I still take 1 dose of something every 2-3 days out of desperation.
Thank you XX! I think I've decided to go with E4D since I feel like it's a good compromise between one attempt at pos. OPK and upping pregnancy odds. Even though I want to get pregnant soon, I can't completely let go of the one attempt yet. Hopefully I'll be able to get pregnant this cycle with that BD pattern and still sway pink.
I'm so sorry you're feeling miserable Maiden! Is it possible the cramping is from early pregnancy? I always seem to get super crampy in the TWW when pregnant. Is there anything else you can do for the itching like creams/lotions or is it not enough?
Maiden that scratching until your legs bleed or close to is the worst feeling ever. I've been in tears when its happened and could literally use a steel brush if I had one. I'm very lucky that it only happens here and there and I think I react to something they treat the town water with as when it does happen (not for ages now touch wood) it only ever happens after a shower, I can actually feel when it starts and get out straightaway but still get the all over leg itch for hours after. That under the skin itch in a hundred places at once that it seems no amount of scratching can calm. Getting shudders just thinking about it... Really feel for you xx
I'm really feeling for you ladies who have been ttc for so long. I do believe too that maternal state is the strongest sway. With dd1 I'm not sure how many attempts we had. I came off the pill when we decided to try & 2nd cycle I got bfp. I didn't have a clue about opk's or tracking your cycle etc. With dd2 I had been off the pill for a month or so as we were going to start ttc in a couple of months, (dd1 was only 9 mths old) but I wanted my body to have a couple of "normal" cycles first. We had one night of unprotected bd as it was a middle of the night quickie & i ended up with a bfp. With dd3 we were trying shettles timing for a boy, but I was getting impatient at not getting a bfp as I was trying to only bd day of ovulation & was missing the egg. It was 3rd cycle ttc that I got bfp & we bd 3 times in fertile window 0-3, 0-2 & 0. The more I think about it the more I believe that I lived a Le lifestyle. Was never a big breakfast eater, never exercised, was always trying to watch what I ate, loved my meat, but probably didn't really eat any other high protein foods. Rarely ate eggs. Have always loved dairy. But I think I was a very inconsistent eater & would not snack much unless I had cravings as I was trying not to gain weight. With dd3 I remember I had worked hard to get my weight back to an ideal weight & I was eating a lot of salads etc.
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