Oh dear... did I do this wrong?

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Originally Posted by Kris217

Yeah i thought cut off meant having sex too but that could be wrong. Like 4 day cut off meant DTD 4 days before O and that's it.....hmm we need to find out for sure!

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Yes that's it exactly. You can have a 4 day cutoff and DTD every day beforehand, or you can have a 4 day cutoff with 4 days of abstinence beforehand.

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Originally Posted by TTC5

Thanks guys, apparently a cut off means having sex (baby dancing sex lol) 4 days prior to ovulation and then nothing... well this person reckons if I made him hold off for 4 days I have increased the female sperm? :S

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She thinks you DTD 4 days before O, which according to Shettles is girl timing.

You did not increase the female sperm, firstly because that's not how it works anyway, and secondly because 4 days abstinence INCREASES sperm count, not lowers it.

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Originally Posted by Bec

I am positive a 4 day cut off means having protected sex (or DH releasing himself) 4 days before attempt. I don't see how abstaining for 4 days increases female sperm count? All the studies suggest otherwise don't they???

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It doesn't. 2-4 days abstinence maximizes sperm count and sways blue.

However, DTD once 4 days before ovulation, with 7-10 days of abstinence beforehand, sways pink. THAT is what is called a cutoff.

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Originally Posted by jane

its the same thing....isnt it?......atomic.....atomic.....help needed!!! hah!:bigsmile:

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No, they are two different things...does everyone understand now?

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

She thinks you DTD 4 days before O, which according to Shettles is girl timing.

You did not increase the female sperm, firstly because that's not how it works anyway, and secondly because 4 days abstinence INCREASES sperm count, not lowers it.

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oh I thought it did the opposite...how's that work?

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Originally Posted by Zivic-Bubac

I had the same dilemma back on IG, but RingosDrum kindly explained to me it's not the same thing

ELP and Bec are right, ELP gave excellent definition what is cut-off and what is abstinance.

TTC5, IMO the only concern here might be were there any X-survivors up there when O occurred so the fresh sperm didn't have chance to get there first. That's the worse scenario, God forbid, and I think it's not likely.

That's why you should have 4 days abstainance ( not cut-off), for example, you can have baby dance sex :wink: like 7-8 days prior to O ( so no survivors up in the cervix), then have him release 4 days before O, then no sex no release and on O day unprotected sex.
This is how I understand it, but I'm going with every other day BD around O anyway.

We all know timing is the least important, so FX you are already cookin' sticky blue bean :luck::xy::luck:

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You guys are so awesome! Thanks to all who chimed in to help! :agree:

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

You guys are so awesome! Thanks to all who chimed in to help! :agree:

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i never even considered this till i read this post and theni DID get confused. but all of you clarified.

a cut off is typically meant for a girl sway bc if youre worried about timing, you have UNprotected sex (BD/DTD/TTC sex=having sex for the purpose of getting knocked up) 4 days before you ovulate (if its a 4-day cutoff). then never have THAT sex again until confirmed Ov. abstaining is not having sex (any type: unprotected, protected) and not releasing for the purpose of building sperm count.

sounds like a CUT OFF is meant for ppl who dont want to have sex (to get pregnant) on OVULATION DAY. thus you have your 5 day cut off, 1 day cut off, but i guess you can even say zero day cut off (but id just say i had sex on O day). just words here...!

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

She thinks you DTD 4 days before O, which according to Shettles is girl timing.

You did not increase the female sperm, firstly because that's not how it works anyway, and secondly because 4 days abstinence INCREASES sperm count, not lowers it.

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Thanks Atomic!!

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Originally Posted by Bec

I actually did a google search and your post came up on IG. I thought they were the same thing in the beginning but now I understand the difference (I think!).

I think TTC5 said she had protected sex 4 days before attempt so there wouldn't be any surviving sperm there when O occurred.

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No no lol my hubby released cd 9 and then not again until cd 13, ff picked up today o happend on cd 13. Although i could have o on cd 14 so 24 hrs after bding.

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Originally Posted by ELP

4 day cut off = last dtd 4 days before Ov
4 day abst = DH no release for 4 days before dtd

But I'm pretty sure the 4 day abst is best for blue as higher sperm count sways blue, and timing doesn't make much difference.

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DH must have had a huge sperm count on our attempt with 4 days abst coz he could hardly walk that day he was sooooo sore HAHAHAHA