BFP or will it end soon?

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Originally Posted by sigrid86

It's ok to ask about it...I already went through every possible cause but I really can't find anything :( My TSH levels were great the whole time of my pregnancy (except for the beginning ofcourse). TSH level was always around 1-1.5 so that's fine...I was being followed every month - 6 weeks and every time my levels were perfect. My endocrinologist also said it was definitely not related.

Oh you don't have a thyroid??? I have a friend without thyroid who's trying to become pregnant but it's so hard for her to get the levels stable. And without that, she just can't get pregnant. So I can imagine you're struggling. And especially when hcg starts to rise, the thyroid levels also start to do strange things :s So your loss was due to the thyroid levels?? That's awful :( And every loss is just a baby you looked forward to so it's always hard to take.

I'm sorry you also had an antepartum depression on top of the GD, that must be sooo difficult! I hear it a lot actually. But it's also very sad that you didn't have a good pregnancy and that you couldn't really enjoy it. It's strange how our thoughts can make us feel so bad. But ofcourse with all you've been through I can really imagine that your pregnancy must have been hard. And on top of that there are the pregnancy hormones and your thyroid levels...
If I can cheer you up a bit: control freaks are more likely to get boys ;) I also learned it the hard way, that we cant' control everything. Especially in a pregnancy, you can just go to your appointments and hope for the best. And ofcourse try your best not to harm your baby. But even then, drug addicts get normal children...

I really hope you will feel better soon! But I'm sure you will. If your thyroid levels get better and you have a new goal, you'll be better.
It's frustrating that you always have to wait about 6 weeks to see if the medication is right or not. That's just so much time...my friend was already trying from August and suddenly in December they just noticed that her thyroid levels were totally off :s so she basically lost 4 months. So maybe, if everything is good in 6 weeks, you'll try again? That's great! And it's indeed very nice to have your kids close together. Although it seems hard also, since they don't go to school yet.

What's the deal with ending up with a December/January baby in the US? I don't know anything about it...for me I would just not like it so much because it's so cold and you go less outside with your baby. But ofcourse you just don't choose it and that's the least of our worries ;) I don't really believe in the girl and boy months...Liv was conceived in December so that's also not very accurate ;)

Btw just an update: I had the first ultrasound yesterday. Everything was perfect, there was also a strong heartbeat and I was on 6 weeks 3 days (due date 3 September). So I'm just hoping this will continue being good...and pink :D Next ultrasound is in 2 weeks!

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Oh wow, such good news about the U/S!! Hoping all the best for you!!

I'm so sorry about your friend -- it does really suck that we constantly have to wait longer. My endo thought for sure I'd have problems conceiving before my DD, so ran me quite high before we started trying. Now we realize I'm apparently quite fertile despite all my thyroid issues and I guess my lot in TTC is just keeping them.

In the U/S, health insurance (since we're the unlucky non-socialized healthcare first world nation...) "resets" at the end of the year. So as of January 1, depending on kind of plan we have, you end up potentially paying a lot more. So for instance, with my DD, we "met our deductible," which meant we paid as much as we'd have to out of pocket, with her birth, so the rest of the year was all completely covered medical expenses. Everything ever was 'free'! With a child born in December, you're more likely to be closer to the end of the deductible and end up with a less expensive birth just because you've been paying more throughout the year; conversely, if your child is born in January, you'd also end up meeting your deductible (though all at once, so you'd have a huge bill at the beginning of the year, but end up likely to have cheaper to no medical bills for any future procedures that year).

It's a weird mixed bag of just wishing it was all covered! There's a longstanding joke, too (unsure how it is in other countries) about the tax situation -- a kid born Dec. 31st means the parents get a deduction (or lower taxes) when filing for that year, but a Jan. 1st kid means waiting a whole other year before being able to claim that child. Money, money, money... haha.

Yeah, I'm really working on not letting the supposed months bother me. Although, another issue is just the stress I imagine comes with having a baby around the holidays, haha!

sigrid popping in to say CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! i am so happy baby was strong and had its heartbeat going already to put mama's mind at ease :) i am sure that was an extremely emotional experience for you so i want to give you the biggest hugs i can over the internet. I am so happy for you and sending big mental vibes to baby to keep growing and thriving!

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Originally Posted by Throwaway_panther

Oh wow, such good news about the U/S!! Hoping all the best for you!!

I'm so sorry about your friend -- it does really suck that we constantly have to wait longer. My endo thought for sure I'd have problems conceiving before my DD, so ran me quite high before we started trying. Now we realize I'm apparently quite fertile despite all my thyroid issues and I guess my lot in TTC is just keeping them.

In the U/S, health insurance (since we're the unlucky non-socialized healthcare first world nation...) "resets" at the end of the year. So as of January 1, depending on kind of plan we have, you end up potentially paying a lot more. So for instance, with my DD, we "met our deductible," which meant we paid as much as we'd have to out of pocket, with her birth, so the rest of the year was all completely covered medical expenses. Everything ever was 'free'! With a child born in December, you're more likely to be closer to the end of the deductible and end up with a less expensive birth just because you've been paying more throughout the year; conversely, if your child is born in January, you'd also end up meeting your deductible (though all at once, so you'd have a huge bill at the beginning of the year, but end up likely to have cheaper to no medical bills for any future procedures that year).

It's a weird mixed bag of just wishing it was all covered! There's a longstanding joke, too (unsure how it is in other countries) about the tax situation -- a kid born Dec. 31st means the parents get a deduction (or lower taxes) when filing for that year, but a Jan. 1st kid means waiting a whole other year before being able to claim that child. Money, money, money... haha.

Yeah, I'm really working on not letting the supposed months bother me. Although, another issue is just the stress I imagine comes with having a baby around the holidays, haha!

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Thank you so much :) Let's hope we can finally hold a baby in our arms in 8 months...

Yeah I feel sorry for her too :( You must be very fertile indeed! But my endo told me that even people with a TSH of 20 sometimes get pregnant so if you're very fertile, it's really possible. And that high fertility seems to sway boy so that's good for you :)

Oh boy, how awful that you have to keep track when you conceive in terms of insurance :s So you get to choose a plan? That's sounds really complicated! We just pay about 50-95 euros for one year and then every medical cost we make we pay about 10 euros (depending what it is: specialist are a bit more expensive ofcourse). But for example I get a bill of 65 euros per endocrinologist appointment and get 45 euros back. For a regular GP appointment we pay 25 euros and get 15 euros back. It seems easier :) And cheaper maybe? Fortunately we have this system because we had so many appointments with specialists with my previous pregnancy.
And what about Obamacare? Didn't that resolve some of these issues? And are there then more/less children born in certain months? That's interesting :)
I live in Belgium and I think we're the country that pays the most taxes in Europe (or 2nd or 3rd) but we have an awesome medical and social system.

It's really stupid people should stress over the month :(

By the way, I forgot to answer your previous message about how you got your girl. Thanks a lot for that! It really looked like a very girly lifestyle indeed :)
Are you and your DH planning to get more than 2 children or will it stay 2 after your next?

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Originally Posted by Burakoam

sigrid popping in to say CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! i am so happy baby was strong and had its heartbeat going already to put mama's mind at ease :) i am sure that was an extremely emotional experience for you so i want to give you the biggest hugs i can over the internet. I am so happy for you and sending big mental vibes to baby to keep growing and thriving!

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Oooh thank you SO much, that's so sweet :) It set my mind at ease a little bit. Fortunately I can go every 2 weeks so I don't have to wait too long for the next US.
It was emotional and also very stressful (the moment I laid there and she was searching for the heartbeat), but I'm really glad it was all good! I'm just still very careful with my happiness. Although I believe it'll stay that way, I'm very well aware that there's always more chance in the first 12 weeks that it goes wrong...

How are you doing now? When are you due in April?

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Originally Posted by sigrid86

Thank you so much :) Let's hope we can finally hold a baby in our arms in 8 months...

Yeah I feel sorry for her too :( You must be very fertile indeed! But my endo told me that even people with a TSH of 20 sometimes get pregnant so if you're very fertile, it's really possible. And that high fertility seems to sway boy so that's good for you :)

Oh boy, how awful that you have to keep track when you conceive in terms of insurance :s So you get to choose a plan? That's sounds really complicated! We just pay about 50-95 euros for one year and then every medical cost we make we pay about 10 euros (depending what it is: specialist are a bit more expensive ofcourse). But for example I get a bill of 65 euros per endocrinologist appointment and get 45 euros back. For a regular GP appointment we pay 25 euros and get 15 euros back. It seems easier :) And cheaper maybe? Fortunately we have this system because we had so many appointments with specialists with my previous pregnancy.
And what about Obamacare? Didn't that resolve some of these issues? And are there then more/less children born in certain months? That's interesting :)
I live in Belgium and I think we're the country that pays the most taxes in Europe (or 2nd or 3rd) but we have an awesome medical and social system.

It's really stupid people should stress over the month :(

By the way, I forgot to answer your previous message about how you got your girl. Thanks a lot for that! It really looked like a very girly lifestyle indeed :)
Are you and your DH planning to get more than 2 children or will it stay 2 after your next?

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Yeah, my endo has definitely said, "Your fertility is something else; I think you're going to have a lot of children," haha. It's funny, because I haven't gotten around to answering atomic's question posted elsewhere, but my own endo was asking, 'Well, want to start cracking at it?' before we found out my levels and I was only 6 months postpartum at his appointment!

Obamacare DID help take care of some things... but our Republican majority Congress and soon to be president are a hair away from repealing it :( It's very sad and tense over here right now with healthcare. Your system sounds amazing; any system is more amazing than ours.

DH and I have actually wanted probably 3 kids; more and more I think about solidly wanting 3, and not saying no to 4 (which is why my fingers are crossed for twins, haha -- two for one). But, like I said earlier, even if the next one was a girl I wouldn't go, "Oh, we can just try again." I'm not putting myself through that hell again, despite the things I've worked through. I will not rest until my next child is a boy, and then whatever comes after that will happen, though I'd probably have a preference for boy still. Two boys and two girls would be my ideal, for sure, haha.

Part of our rush, though, is wanting 3-4 kids and my husband wanting to be done rather soon; he's 36 and has stress about having any kids over 40 because of retirement and other things, so that doesn't leave us too much time to get out another 2-3 kids!

If you guys could please not start talking politics on here I would very much appreciate it.

There are a million other sites where people can talk politics so go to one of them and talk all you want to.

There are very likely at least some people on here who are Republicans and this is a site for everyone. I am not gonna put up with anyone making anyone feel less than welcome here.

Our nation is sadly, sorely divided right now and let's please keep politics out of our conversations. We are here for other reasons.

Sigrid do they think your thyroid acting up contributed to your loss with liv? ive seen you post about both and just wondered if there was a connection..you dont have to answer if its painful to talk about..

Due april 8th but having her by c section april 3rd unless this baby has mercy on me and i go into labor between 37-38 weeks..my doctors make it so i have to be at least 4 cm dialated and 100% effaced before they will do a c section any earlier than 39 weeks though for non emergency reasons..some of the doctors even prefer 5 cm. I thought i was going to die going to 39 weeks with angela and now they want me to go to 39 weeks and 2 days with this one..oh god.

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Originally Posted by Throwaway_panther

Yeah, my endo has definitely said, "Your fertility is something else; I think you're going to have a lot of children," haha. It's funny, because I haven't gotten around to answering atomic's question posted elsewhere, but my own endo was asking, 'Well, want to start cracking at it?' before we found out my levels and I was only 6 months postpartum at his appointment!

Obamacare DID help take care of some things... but our Republican majority Congress and soon to be president are a hair away from repealing it :( It's very sad and tense over here right now with healthcare. Your system sounds amazing; any system is more amazing than ours.

DH and I have actually wanted probably 3 kids; more and more I think about solidly wanting 3, and not saying no to 4 (which is why my fingers are crossed for twins, haha -- two for one). But, like I said earlier, even if the next one was a girl I wouldn't go, "Oh, we can just try again." I'm not putting myself through that hell again, despite the things I've worked through. I will not rest until my next child is a boy, and then whatever comes after that will happen, though I'd probably have a preference for boy still. Two boys and two girls would be my ideal, for sure, haha.

Part of our rush, though, is wanting 3-4 kids and my husband wanting to be done rather soon; he's 36 and has stress about having any kids over 40 because of retirement and other things, so that doesn't leave us too much time to get out another 2-3 kids!

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Wel fortunately then :) I notice that a lot of people are struggling with having kids, so we can only be blessed if things go well.

I'm not going to go into detail about your healthcare as Atomic requested. I understand and can imagine this is a sensitive topic.

Wow, maybe 4 kids even? It's funny, I have the feeling that a lot of people on this forum have 3 kids or more. In our country, it's not very common to have more than 2 kids. 3 maybe, but more than 3 is really an exception. I have a lot of respect for parents of 3 and more children. That seems a lot of work :) Would you really like to have twins? I would stress out my whole pregnancy since it's really a risk pregnancy. But maybe that's because of my background ofcourse. It's great that you'd do anything to have a boy. I can relate to that :) I'm thinking the same of a girl.

So you've got another 4 years: 4 years for 3 kids, right? ;) and if you get twins it's even better :) I see it a lot that guys of 35 and older still get kids. But I understand you rather want to be a young parent...I also wanted to have a child before I turned out 30 and that would have happened if we wouldn't have lost her :( But I turned 30 last month (which was really hard) and sometimes I'm also afraid hat I'm already getting 'old' for a first child.

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Originally Posted by Burakoam

Sigrid do they think your thyroid acting up contributed to your loss with liv? ive seen you post about both and just wondered if there was a connection..you dont have to answer if its painful to talk about..

Due april 8th but having her by c section april 3rd unless this baby has mercy on me and i go into labor between 37-38 weeks..my doctors make it so i have to be at least 4 cm dialated and 100% effaced before they will do a c section any earlier than 39 weeks though for non emergency reasons..some of the doctors even prefer 5 cm. I thought i was going to die going to 39 weeks with angela and now they want me to go to 39 weeks and 2 days with this one..oh god.

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It's ok to ask about it...I already went through every possible cause but I really can't find anything. My TSH levels were great the whole time I was pregnant (except for the beginning ofcourse). TSH level was always around 1-1.5 so that's fine...I was being followed every month - 6 weeks and every time my levels were perfect. My endocrinologist also said it was definitely not related.

Is it necessary for you to have a c section? Can't you give birth naturally? Why did you think you were going to die?
Can't you express your concerns?
Here I know that they'll induce you if you're really scared or if there's something else. My sister got induced 2 times without a good reason (she was just tired of being pregnant).

You would probably be very surprised that in my area it's not that unusual to have huge families (we have a couple of religious groups in pretty high numbers). I went to school with lots of families that had 8-10 children and they ALL had mixed genders too BTW!!

It's very interesting to me the difference between the US and Europe in terms of numbers of children we have. Although those of us with more than 2 children (even more than one, in some circles) do definitely have our share of people thinking we are a little bit unusual in the US as well, many people in Europe have very, very strong social pressures to have only one or two children. Much more than the US on average.

This is one of those reasons why I cringe a LOT when some people on sway sites act like no one can have gender desire for a first child. Yes, some of us have 4-5-6 of the same gender. And that does seem like a raw deal sometimes. But if you can probably only have 1-2 children max by virtue of finances or social constraints then of course it's natural to have a preference and feel very uptight over that. :)