When do YOU count CD1

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Originally Posted by squigglepink

Hi, ok update:
He did internal US and lining is thin and regular - and according to Gynae pretty much on par with that of one who is menstruating/end of. He found no trace of any fibroids. He pointed out follicles on the right ovary but battled to get a clear pic of left ovary but said all ok and nothing sinister going on. He cannot explain the spotting/irregular bleeding but mentioned it could be something to do with my ovulation. I told him id had bloods and the results indicated my progesterone levels meant i had ovulated and he said that is an old way of detecting ovulation and it doesnt always mean that we have infact ovulated (Great!)

His only solution for my cycle/irregularity - were hormones/contraception but, as he stated, not helpful if im trying to conceive. He wont refer me to a fertility specialist as we have not been actively trying for 2 years. And it was a categorical NO for clomid (thought id take a chance :)
He recommended (due to being 40) chucking the OPK's and regular BD once/twice per week. Healthy diet, exercise and Folic Acid.

Im going to however, use OPK's (just because i have them) and also because of the bleeding/spotting ive had this cycle and im perplexed as to what is going on. Currently CD10 and as per the US - menstruating (still/again). (remember i started off spotting then full flow then stopped then spotted then full flow again) So that puts me where i am today and i dont know when this current bleed will end. So, once it does i think we will do the E4d and i will just keep a tab on whats going on by doing the OPK's.

And dare i mention the word Vitex?? :bigsmile:

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I'm in the uk too but have not experienced this poor treatment! A 2 year wait age 40 is ridiculous! I have the clomid from the online pharmacy too!

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Originally Posted by Pink rose

Hi xx thanks for answering my questions. I ovulate regularly on my own 28 29 day cycle, I'm very thanks n and petite don't have trouble loosing weight don't want to or need to loose any more, at time I get spots and my skin can be a bit oily, my luteal phrase is 12 - 14 days.
I for prescribed clomid by a private doctor I said I ovulated late etc and paid for it, I had some left but it went out of date so I had to order more on the online pharmacy. I'm not afraid of taking 50 mg because I had that does previously prescribed by a doctor although I wanted it for swaying.
Clomid did make me ovulate earlier the last time I took it.
Xx for hubby I was also on holiday 10 days at the beginning of the month I ate twice a day but did go over on totals, alcohol, Coke Zero but no exercise, it has made me a bit nervous so I'm trying to be strict. I was going to hold off a month I'm so stressed wanting my sway to work I feel so anxious and don't know what to do for the best any advice appreciated.x
Squiggle pink did you order any clomid?

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Well there probably is never going to be the perfect month [emoji6]. If you're worried about things then take a month off. The thing is though, you don't know exactly how long it will take you to conceive. It's up to you really. If you can't make a decision then flip a coin and do what it says. I did that a cycle or two leading up to my BFP.


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Please take the Clomid as it's supposed to be taken. Take it days 3-7 or 5-9. Stopping it doesn't hurt but won't help any. It will mess with opks and effect your ovulation because that's what it is supposed to do! Try taking it a night before bed to help with symptoms.


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Originally Posted by squigglepink

Hmmmm. That is a good question. But if you lower the dose do you have a less chance of it working? I don't know enough to comment but would love to know this also. Have you got a new thread on here about it so I can follow?

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The unsatisfying answer is that we don't know if it works as good for swaying or not. It may, it may not, it may for some people and not for others. What I do know (and I cannot stress this strongly enough) is that no one should EVER take more than 50 mg without a doctor's advice (and even sometimes WITH a doctor's advice, it's a bad idea and some docs are not very responsible with it)

The ONLY reason why I tolerate you guys doing Clomid on your own is so I can help you do that safely, since the last thing we need is people doing Clomid without any input from anyone. But please be sure you're doing it safely - take for the full 5 days, CD 3-7, 4-8 or 5-9 only, please don't stop and start it, try every month you have taken it, do not start it in the middle of the cycle, only take it after you have had a menstrual bleed. And no more than 50 mg ladies!!

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Originally Posted by Pink rose

Hi xx thanks for answering my questions. I ovulate regularly on my own 28 29 day cycle, I'm very thanks n and petite don't have trouble loosing weight don't want to or need to loose any more, at time I get spots and my skin can be a bit oily, my luteal phrase is 12 - 14 days.
I for prescribed clomid by a private doctor I said I ovulated late etc and paid for it, I had some left but it went out of date so I had to order more on the online pharmacy. I'm not afraid of taking 50 mg because I had that does previously prescribed by a doctor although I wanted it for swaying.
Clomid did make me ovulate earlier the last time I took it.
Xx for hubby I was also on holiday 10 days at the beginning of the month I ate twice a day but did go over on totals, alcohol, Coke Zero but no exercise, it has made me a bit nervous so I'm trying to be strict. I was going to hold off a month I'm so stressed wanting my sway to work I feel so anxious and don't know what to do for the best any advice appreciated.x
Squiggle pink did you order any clomid?

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Hi, no i have not ordered yet. Im in two minds.
I received feedback from my last gynae visit and in it he writes: "I am reassured by the findings of her regular thin endometrium and suspect that her irregular cycles are probably anovulatory related as opposed to an endometrial pathology"... So, this leans me toward taking clomid?! But on the other hand im a bit concerned because even after all my Doctor and Gynae visits, ultra sounds, hysteroscopy and irregular cycles, spotting on and off for about a year and ttc for 10 months - no one has suggested clomid or any type of fertility assistance.. so i would just be doing it for swaying which im worried about doing without a doctor even knowing as i read you should be monitored? - how serious is that even? Slightly worried to be messing about with clomid/cycles when im already all over the place!! :worry:

Ok, so ive just read Atomic's thread on Clomid and i realise that im in the category of 'dont take' based on my age (40) and that im possibly low in estogen with all my spotting and irregular bleeding etc: " Clomid will not work for women who have low levels of estrogen or high levels of FSH, so if you are in your late 30's-40's and anovulatory because of age, Clomid is not going to help you to ovulate. Your doctor will have to give you injectible drugs instead."

This is fine by me . Makes sense for me to just carry on carrying on al-natural! :)

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Originally Posted by squigglepink

Ok, so ive just read Atomic's thread on Clomid and i realise that im in the category of 'dont take' based on my age (40) and that im possibly low in estogen with all my spotting and irregular bleeding etc: " Clomid will not work for women who have low levels of estrogen or high levels of FSH, so if you are in your late 30's-40's and anovulatory because of age, Clomid is not going to help you to ovulate. Your doctor will have to give you injectible drugs instead."

This is fine by me . Makes sense for me to just carry on carrying on al-natural! :)

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Femara would be better for you.

While I do still stand by this, I have had several people in the meantime who insisted upon taking the Clomid, were given it by their doctors, and most of them did still conceive on that. So it is a case of the warnings possibly not always being as applicable as we originally thought.

Ok :)
Is the monitoring just for checking that it is in fact working on those that it is intended for? Will try this cycle without, i have a Doc appointment set up in September and will have to mention Femara. :rolleyes: Alternatively i have the online pharmacy to fall back on (clomid). I had a day of spotting and then AF again this month.. Is this a sign of low progesterone rather? I have on and off spotting in my cycles now.. No one in the medical industry here seems too concerned as nothing sinister on the scans.. so i dunno

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Originally Posted by squigglepink

Ok :)
Is the monitoring just for checking that it is in fact working on those that it is intended for? Will try this cycle without, i have a Doc appointment set up in September and will have to mention Femara. :rolleyes: Alternatively i have the online pharmacy to fall back on (clomid). I had a day of spotting and then AF again this month.. Is this a sign of low progesterone rather? I have on and off spotting in my cycles now.. No one in the medical industry here seems too concerned as nothing sinister on the scans.. so i dunno

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No. The monitoring is making sure that no one TTC with 7 eggs ready to pop. Meant to prevent higher order multiples.

BUT. In the interest of full disclosure, I must point out that we have had tons of people conceive without monitoring and none so far have gotten more than twins (matter of fact, virtually all of our triplets were natural conceptions) and the ONLY case of triplets we got on Clomid was in a woman who was being monitored!! Her doctor told her he saw one and only one follicle, she BD, and ended up conceiving 3 non-identical triplets (meaning at least 3 eggs were released). So it is evident to me that it is all too easy for doctors to miss follicles with monitoring and in fact makes me question the principle of monitoring all together to be honest.