New 2018 Clomid AND Femara support threads!

I answered this in the other thread but for anyone else curious I don't think she ovulated when the crosshairs are and may not have ovulated at all yet.

I know that it's so early that it's ridiculous to say, but I'm feeling like I didn't get pregnant this cycle.

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I know that it's so early that it's ridiculous to say, but I'm feeling like I didn't get pregnant this cycle.

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I know that it's so early that it's ridiculous to say, but I'm feeling like I didn't get pregnant this cycle.

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If I had a nickel for all the times I have been told that by people who later got a BFP I would be super rich!

FXFXFX!!!

I'm about 9 DPO today, and feel like last cycle (no signs of pregnancy), except I have a new symptom that I've never had before and that's abdominal bloating which sucks.

I'm considering not taking Clomid next cycle, but then I wouldn't know when my next attempt would be because the next natural AF could be many months later.

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If I had a nickel for all the times I have been told that by people who later got a BFP I would be super rich!

FXFXFX!!!

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Thanks, hopefully I'm wrong.

Not sure what’s going on with me... 7dpo I think??? And I have had some spotting, mostly when I wipe but it seems more than what implantation bleeding would be. AF is due 26th.

My question is in case it turns into full AF should I try clomid earlier this time, if it’s shortened my luteal phase, would it be better to take it earlier. Dr did mention day 1-5.

And how do I know for sure it’s AF to take it earlier anyway? POAS this early wouldn’t be real helpful would it.

FAR OUT!


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Not sure what’s going on with me... 7dpo I think??? And I have had some spotting, mostly when I wipe but it seems more than what implantation bleeding would be. AF is due 26th.

My question is in case it turns into full AF should I try clomid earlier this time, if it’s shortened my luteal phase, would it be better to take it earlier. Dr did mention day 1-5.

And how do I know for sure it’s AF to take it earlier anyway? POAS this early wouldn’t be real helpful would it.

FAR OUT!


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I'd be really hesitant to take Clomid within the next few days just in case your pregnant and it's a lot of implantation bleeding. And I'm totally not an expert, but I feel like if it is AF and Clomid really gave you a 7 day LP, then Clomid just isn't for you and taking it a few days earlier won't help that much. If it's AF, I wouldn't give Clomid a second chance, I'd go to Femara. Honestly even trying naturally would be better than a 7 day LP.

Really wishing you the best!

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Not sure what’s going on with me... 7dpo I think??? And I have had some spotting, mostly when I wipe but it seems more than what implantation bleeding would be. AF is due 26th.

My question is in case it turns into full AF should I try clomid earlier this time, if it’s shortened my luteal phase, would it be better to take it earlier. Dr did mention day 1-5.

And how do I know for sure it’s AF to take it earlier anyway? POAS this early wouldn’t be real helpful would it.

FAR OUT!


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I’ve just gotten up and the bleeding is real, like a period. What do I do? Advice please atomic.

Thanks Mrs English, maybe just let it happen & hope that it helps sway next month with a natural cycle?


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Not sure what’s going on with me... 7dpo I think??? And I have had some spotting, mostly when I wipe but it seems more than what implantation bleeding would be. AF is due 26th.

My question is in case it turns into full AF should I try clomid earlier this time, if it’s shortened my luteal phase, would it be better to take it earlier. Dr did mention day 1-5.

And how do I know for sure it’s AF to take it earlier anyway? POAS this early wouldn’t be real helpful would it.

FAR OUT!


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The first thing we need to do is have you add in a serving of full fat dairy, 4-6 eggs a week, and a serving of salmon if you like it, and red meat if you don't. (you may already be doing this, but continue or even increase a little) and drop fiber.

NO I do not want you to take Clomid EARLIER. What is happening here is that the Clomid, which blocks estrogen, has been too effective and blocked too much estrogen, plus you were dieting and may have cut back too far, so when it came time for your body to make the secondary estrogen surge, you ran out of raw materials and/or the Clomid blocked estrogen production. At 7 DPO when the corpus luteum started to break down, your body couldn't make that boost of estrogen it needed to keep the lining going another week and your lining began to come off.

SOO what we need to do is NOT start Clomid early, we need to start it later to allow your body a little time to start the normal production of estrogen . This actually helps us on the "OMG when to start Clomid" issue too, because we CANNOT have you start Clomid 7 DPO without a reliable pregnancy test, since you can have bleeding in early pregnancy and you must not under any circumstances start Clomid without taking a pregnancy test first. So I would have you wait till 5 days after this bleeding has started (that is, unless you have ANOTHER bleed when AF is due!!) and take a pregnancy test and the Clomid that day.

If you do have another bleed starting when AF is due then that may indicate the first bleed wasn't really AF and you shouldn't start the Clomid, in that case. If you already started the Clomid and have another bleed then take another pregnancy test just to be on the safest side.

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The first thing we need to do is have you add in a serving of full fat dairy, 4-6 eggs a week, and a serving of salmon if you like it, and red meat if you don't. (you may already be doing this, but continue or even increase a little) and drop fiber.

NO I do not want you to take Clomid EARLIER. What is happening here is that the Clomid, which blocks estrogen, has been too effective and blocked too much estrogen, plus you were dieting and may have cut back too far, so when it came time for your body to make the secondary estrogen surge, you ran out of raw materials and/or the Clomid blocked estrogen production. At 7 DPO when the corpus luteum started to break down, your body couldn't make that boost of estrogen it needed to keep the lining going another week and your lining began to come off.

SOO what we need to do is NOT start Clomid early, we need to start it later to allow your body a little time to start the normal production of estrogen . This actually helps us on the "OMG when to start Clomid" issue too, because we CANNOT have you start Clomid 7 DPO without a reliable pregnancy test, since you can have bleeding in early pregnancy and you must not under any circumstances start Clomid without taking a pregnancy test first. So I would have you wait till 5 days after this bleeding has started (that is, unless you have ANOTHER bleed when AF is due!!) and take a pregnancy test and the Clomid that day.

If you do have another bleed starting when AF is due then that may indicate the first bleed wasn't really AF and you shouldn't start the Clomid, in that case. If you already started the Clomid and have another bleed then take another pregnancy test just to be on the safest side.

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Thank you atomic. I do all those things, and dropped finer about a month or more ago but my weight loss doesn’t seem to be stopping & I am feeling really fatigued. I don’t know how to up it. I read another thread about adding empty white carbs to add weight, can you give me some ideas? I have been a no sugar person nor processed food eater for so many years I am actually clueless.

With regard to taking the Clomid what happens if the bleeding continues until af is due & beyond, how do I know when to start Clomid again, my period is due Monday & my AF usually lasts at least 5-6 full days so will extend beyond then?
Should I use a frer now?
Again Monday or Tuesday?




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Don't bother with FRER now. It's very unlikely you'd get a positive even if you're pregnant.

I want you to wait 5 days from now (so we assume this is Cycle Day One unless something happens that makes us think that is not the case) and then take a pregnancy test and start the Clomid that day. So then instead of taking it days 1-5 or 3-7 you would take it 5-9.

The only thing I am concerned about is if this bleeding stops or really trails off a lot, and then you get a "real" AF when it is due on CD 14 (so you would have taken Clomid for 2 days before in that case, IF the bleeding has continued and seemed like an actual period) I think that is extremely unlikely. It's much more likely that a) this is actually AF, arriving early or b) that if this is some sort of weird spotting, it is going to be glaringly obvious that it is not AF and you'll know in advance whether or not to start the Clomid in 5 days' time.

Eat ANYTHING. Anything that sounds good to you. We have to get a handle on the weight loss because you are not going to get pregnant. EVen things that feel "forbidden". We can't have you losing any more weight.

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Don't bother with FRER now. It's very unlikely you'd get a positive even if you're pregnant.

I want you to wait 5 days from now (so we assume this is Cycle Day One unless something happens that makes us think that is not the case) and then take a pregnancy test and start the Clomid that day. So then instead of taking it days 1-5 or 3-7 you would take it 5-9.

The only thing I am concerned about is if this bleeding stops or really trails off a lot, and then you get a "real" AF when it is due on CD 14 (so you would have taken Clomid for 2 days before in that case, IF the bleeding has continued and seemed like an actual period) I think that is extremely unlikely. It's much more likely that a) this is actually AF, arriving early or b) that if this is some sort of weird spotting, it is going to be glaringly obvious that it is not AF and you'll know in advance whether or not to start the Clomid in 5 days' time.

Eat ANYTHING. Anything that sounds good to you. We have to get a handle on the weight loss because you are not going to get pregnant. EVen things that feel "forbidden". We can't have you losing any more weight.

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I think I get it, but my real AF is due in only 3 days (today is CD 25) as I’m due on CD28, that’s what will be confusing as Im so close to being due. Bleeding doesn't seem to be stopping.
So do FRER CD28 & take clomid that night if -ve, as that will be 5 days from now. Yesterday afternoon was only spotting when I wiped. Today (CD25) has been bleeding onto liner, so am I right to assume this as CD1?


Keep the no breakfast & no snacking, and exercise daily, but just eat whatever with limited protein still?
Salt & vinegar chips sound good right now & always!

EDIT: Lunchtimes addition of corn chips were so yummy in my mexican chicken salad, and the cream bun was outrageous :)


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Exact same thing has happened to me on Femara! I think I am 8 or 9dpo and AF seemed to have just started.

However, this is my third post partum period and my last luteal phase was only 7 or 8 days so it has lengthened by one day.

I ovulated on day 16/17 with Femara though (this was my first cycle) and it was day 23/24 naturally so Femara has moved it forward a few days.

Atomic - should I do the same? Wait until cd 5 to take Femara or just take it on day 3 as per last month? Thanks so much for your advice.

For the record, when ttc my last baby, I had the same thing - luteal phase lengthened by a day each month until it got to 9 days long and then I got pregnant. So maybe it is just what my body does - it likes to take its times to restore regularity!

I have been eating hardly any dairy though so will add some back in. I will also add a bit more protein as again - have been mainly vegan and empty carbs. I have also been having a glass of wine a night and two/ three coffees a day.

Thanks for any advice ladies and best of luck!

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I think I get it, but my real AF is due in only 3 days (today is CD 25) as I’m due on CD28, that’s what will be confusing as Im so close to being due. Bleeding doesn't seem to be stopping.
So do FRER CD28 & take clomid that night if -ve, as that will be 5 days from now. Yesterday afternoon was only spotting when I wiped. Today (CD25) has been bleeding onto liner, so am I right to assume this as CD1?


Keep the no breakfast & no snacking, and exercise daily, but just eat whatever with limited protein still?
Salt & vinegar chips sound good right now & always!

EDIT: Lunchtimes addition of corn chips were so yummy in my mexican chicken salad, and the cream bun was outrageous :)


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Most of my previous instructions were for if you stopped bleeding, like this was only for a day or two and then a more normal AF came in a few days.

The thing we're trying to avoid is taking Clomid when you are pregnant. So on CD 5, yes, take the pregnancy test and the Clomid that night if the test is negative.. It will still be 2 days before real AF is due but the vast majority of people will get a positive test by 12 DPO. And if you feel like it isn't a real AF, if it's lighter or barely there, then obviously we will revisit this. And if you DO get bleeding (or more bleeding, like a fresh flow) on the day real AF is due, take another pregnancy test and see if it's positive. If it is, stop the Clomid. If it isn't, continue.

The chances that you're pregnant AND having this bleed now AND that it won't register on 12 DPO is really quite small and I feel comfortable with you starting the Clomid 12 DPO with a negative test...if YOU do. If you don't feel comfortable doing that, totally cool, we can just try naturally this month also, your call to make.

Keep no breakfast (but feel free to add it in if you need anohter meal to get enough calories), keep no snacking (I prefer you to simply add in a meal instead of snacking all day!!), keep exercise, up calories but try to keep protein and fat to 50-60 g. I think you're on the alternate diet as well, right? So you will likely benefit from adding in SOME empty carbs or even sugar, just don't go overboard, still focus on whole grains, fruit, and veg and then use empty carbs as a braking mechanism on the weight loss.

Manchester, yes, I want you to do exactly what I've described for Emshe to do! So glad you spotted this!!!

Yes yes please add in 1 serving full fat dairy every day and 4-6 eggs a week if you can.

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Most of my previous instructions were for if you stopped bleeding, like this was only for a day or two and then a more normal AF came in a few days.

The thing we're trying to avoid is taking Clomid when you are pregnant. So on CD 5, yes, take the pregnancy test and the Clomid that night if the test is negative.. It will still be 2 days before real AF is due but the vast majority of people will get a positive test by 12 DPO. And if you feel like it isn't a real AF, if it's lighter or barely there, then obviously we will revisit this. And if you DO get bleeding (or more bleeding, like a fresh flow) on the day real AF is due, take another pregnancy test and see if it's positive. If it is, stop the Clomid. If it isn't, continue.

The chances that you're pregnant AND having this bleed now AND that it won't register on 12 DPO is really quite small and I feel comfortable with you starting the Clomid 12 DPO with a negative test...if YOU do. If you don't feel comfortable doing that, totally cool, we can just try naturally this month also, your call to make.

Keep no breakfast (but feel free to add it in if you need anohter meal to get enough calories), keep no snacking (I prefer you to simply add in a meal instead of snacking all day!!), keep exercise, up calories but try to keep protein and fat to 50-60 g. I think you're on the alternate diet as well, right? So you will likely benefit from adding in SOME empty carbs or even sugar, just don't go overboard, still focus on whole grains, fruit, and veg and then use empty carbs as a braking mechanism on the weight loss.

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Grateful atomic!

I really think it’s AF, yesterday CD1 it was medium, today CD2 is very heavy. That’s my normal pattern. Tomorrow will likely be super heavy again. Then a couple of medium days.

Will test Monday & take if negative. Thinking this, or next is it for me. It’s coming up to 3 years on this Dream & I’ve got to get back to living. Is E4D my best option this time too?

Yes I’m on the fertility diet so have been using potatoes & white rice as the carbs. Sorry I’m so naive but I’ve been so set in my ways with healthy low gi for years that empty carbs are foreign to me, is that things like white bread and baked goods? I had a biscuit, crisps and some corn chips yesterday? Are those ok or go for more bread? Feel free to send me a long distance forehead slap!!!


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Grateful atomic!

I really think it’s AF, yesterday CD1 it was medium, today CD2 is very heavy. That’s my normal pattern. Tomorrow will likely be super heavy again. Then a couple of medium days.

Will test Monday & take if negative. Thinking this, or next is it for me. It’s coming up to 3 years on this Dream & I’ve got to get back to living. Is E4D my best option this time too?

Yes I’m on the fertility diet so have been using potatoes & white rice as the carbs. Sorry I’m so naive but I’ve been so set in my ways with healthy low gi for years that empty carbs are foreign to me, is that things like white bread and baked goods? I had a biscuit, crisps and some corn chips yesterday? Are those ok or go for more bread? Feel free to send me a long distance forehead slap!!!


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I find white bread, cream crackers, crumpets really good as empty carbs, plus pop tarts!

Stay positive - I am sure it will happen for you soon hun.

Thanks for the advice atomic! x

Keep eating potatoes and white rice, but yes, add in some white flour/sugar foods (don't go overboard here). Corn chips are fine. Whatever you like and enjoy.

Tomorrow is POAS day, if AF doesn't come before then.

Still zero signs of pregnancy.

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I find white bread, cream crackers, crumpets really good as empty carbs, plus pop tarts!

Stay positive - I am sure it will happen for you soon hun.

Thanks for the advice atomic! x

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Good tips Thanks so much!


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Keep eating potatoes and white rice, but yes, add in some white flour/sugar foods (don't go overboard here). Corn chips are fine. Whatever you like and enjoy.

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Will do atomic, much appreciated! BTW atomic realised CD5 will be Tuesday (what should have beenCD29) as I only had spotting on Thursday.


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Tomorrow is POAS day, if AF doesn't come before then.

Still zero signs of pregnancy.

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Good luck Mrs English! I’ll keep everything crossed for you


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Will do atomic, much appreciated! BTW atomic realised CD5 will be Tuesday (what should have beenCD29) as I only had spotting on Thursday.


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Oh so you mean you ended up not having flow till Friday so you are counting that as CD 1, yes?

You didn't just have spotting on Thursday and then nothing since, right?

Sorry if I'm being overly nitpicky I just want to be sure we start the Clomid at the right time.

Today is POAS day, but I didn't do it this morning because last cycle I tested first thing in the morning then got AF like an hour later, so I decided to POAS in the evening. Well I went through out the morning and afternoon without seeing any red when I wiped. Then in the evening I had some errands to run, so I decided to hold my pee while doing them them the test when I got back home. While running errands, I had the slightest hint of nausea, and I started thinking "maybe, maybe...". I got home, got a plastic cup to pee in, when to the toilet, pulled down my undies and saw bright red spotting. So I didn't use the pregnancy test.

If I don't have a heavy flow by tomorrow evening, then I will POAS before taking Clomid, but I fully expect to wake up to real AF. So I'm not 100% out yet, but I'm pretty darn close. In my mind I'm already preparing for the next cycle.

On the bright side, now I have an opportunity to really buckle down and lose weight before getting pregnant with #2. I'm still about 4 lbs heavier than I was before getting pregnant with #1, and my weight hasn't changed since January. Losing a few lbs will help both my girl sway and my body image. Also this whole time I have been eating a lot of things that PCOS women really shouldn't eat when trying to conceive, and I'm going to change that now. The time I got pregnant I had both Clomid AND PCOS diet going for me, I've been hoping Clomid would work on it's own, but it looks like I probably need the diet too.

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Oh so you mean you ended up not having flow till Friday so you are counting that as CD 1, yes?

You didn't just have spotting on Thursday and then nothing since, right?

Sorry if I'm being overly nitpicky I just want to be sure we start the Clomid at the right time.

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Thursday- spotting mainly when wiping.

Friday ( early hours of morning first real lay noticed bleeding on pad when I went to toilet) & medium bleeding all day

Saturday heavy heavy bleeding

Sunday medium bleeding

Monday this morning light bleeding (today is when AF was due as per my regular 28 day pattern)

So yes I take Friday as CD1, is that right?


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On the bright side, now I have an opportunity to really buckle down and lose weight before getting pregnant with #2. I'm still about 4 lbs heavier than I was before getting pregnant with #1, and my weight hasn't changed since January. Losing a few lbs will help both my girl sway and my body image. Also this whole time I have been eating a lot of things that PCOS women really shouldn't eat when trying to conceive, and I'm going to change that now. The time I got pregnant I had both Clomid AND PCOS diet going for me, I've been hoping Clomid would work on it's own, but it looks like I probably need the diet too.

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I’ll keep hoping for you Mrs English.

But if not here’s to a great new cycle & best of luck to us this new cycle!!!!


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I’ll keep hoping for you Mrs English.

But if not here’s to a great new cycle & best of luck to us this new cycle!!!!


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Thanks so much for the support! Unfortunately, I am out this cycle. What is really cool about next cycle is if I get pregnant next cycle I won't know whether I'm having a 2018 baby or a 2019 baby until the baby is born! I'm guessing that I'll ovulate around April 15, and I put that into an online calculator that calculates due date based on ovulation date, and it said my due date would be Jan 5, 2019, but I went a little early with my daughter, so if I went as early again it would be late 2018.

Good luck to everyone else on conceiving this cycle!

YOU NEED TO STILL TAKE A PREGNANCY TEST EVEN IF YOU GET YOUR PERIOD BEFORE TAKING CLOMID!!

I know you said you would but I just want to stress that for anyone casually skimming this thread. This is MANDATORY. You guys, take this from someone who has actually had this happen, you can have a completely normal period (or what seems to be a period, anyway) that lasts several days and is normal/heavy, and be pregnant the entire time. Since taking Clomid while pregnant can cause your baby serious harm, you MUST take a pg test every month even when there is bleeding that you are 110% sure is AF. You can lose a twin, you can have placenta previa, you can have heavy implantation bleeding or a SCH, you can have bleeding from cervical erosion or injury or a fibroid, or just a "confused" part of your lining that comes off even as a pregnancy is getting started. PLEASE take a test before starting Clomid! :)

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Thursday- spotting mainly when wiping.

Friday ( early hours of morning first real lay noticed bleeding on pad when I went to toilet) & medium bleeding all day

Saturday heavy heavy bleeding

Sunday medium bleeding

Monday this morning light bleeding (today is when AF was due as per my regular 28 day pattern)

So yes I take Friday as CD1, is that right?


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Yes count Fri. as CD 1. :)

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On the bright side, now I have an opportunity to really buckle down and lose weight before getting pregnant with #2. I'm still about 4 lbs heavier than I was before getting pregnant with #1, and my weight hasn't changed since January. Losing a few lbs will help both my girl sway and my body image. Also this whole time I have been eating a lot of things that PCOS women really shouldn't eat when trying to conceive, and I'm going to change that now. The time I got pregnant I had both Clomid AND PCOS diet going for me, I've been hoping Clomid would work on it's own, but it looks like I probably need the diet too.

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Good luck Mrs. E! The weight loss will only help your pink sway as well.

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Yes count Fri. as CD 1. :)

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Will do atomic, I will start Clomid tonight, CD5. Took pregnancy test yesterday & today both negative.

We started E4D 72 hour version last night. Do you think that’s our best bet? I feel this maybe our last month but I still want strong girl sway.

Thanks!


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Best bet for swaying? Yes. But if this is really the last month you're going to try, don't you want to err on the side of boosting chances of conceiving?? I think you may be better off having more attempts if this is really your last month trying.

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Best bet for swaying? Yes. But if this is really the last month you're going to try, don't you want to err on the side of boosting chances of conceiving?? I think you may be better off having more attempts if this is really your last month trying.

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Any advice on more frequent bd patterns that still work with pink sway


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I'd do e4d plus one more attempt at positive OPK at the very least, possibly even SMEP!

They do sway more blue but it is very likely worth it since if you don't get pregnant, you have NO chance of a girl.

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I'd do e4d plus one more attempt at positive OPK at the very least, possibly even SMEP!

They do sway more blue but it is very likely worth it since if you don't get pregnant, you have NO chance of a girl.

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Thanks atomic, I will do just the fmu digital dual Clearblue only, last time I got so worked up over testing with opks it was nightmarish that’s partly why I was happy to do E4D. If all goes like last time i should already be having attempt morning after positive opk (opk turned positive late pm)

What about every 60 hours instead of 72?

I will have to do some reading on SMEP. I might just have Next cycle off then try again. Just see what a month without it all is like...


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I've done my fair share of complaining about the moodiness and bloating that I got from Clomid, so to balance that out let me tell you about a pleasant side effect of Clomid: normally AF lasts 7 days for me where the last is spotting. Today I'm on CD 4 and already have only a little bit of spotting l, so that's great.

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I've done my fair share of complaining about the moodiness and bloating that I got from Clomid, so to balance that out let me tell you about a pleasant side effect of Clomid: normally AF lasts 7 days for me where the last is spotting. Today I'm on CD 4 and already have only a little bit of spotting l, so that's great.

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Nice!


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Once we start moving the attempts that much closer together I don't like it because it may sway blue and it doesn't really even up odds of conception much anyway (you often end up with just one attempt in fertile window anyway) I much prefer the regular e4d attempts plus an attempt at pos OPK for better chances of conception.

I'm not necessarily advocating SMEP, it's really more of a last ditch effort. People will eventually get preggo on e4d plus one but SMEP may make it happen sooner, rather than later, that's all.