The coconut water is for getting potassium without a bunch of calories, not for EWCM. Staying hydrated may help with EWCM though.
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The coconut water is for getting potassium without a bunch of calories, not for EWCM. Staying hydrated may help with EWCM though.
Okay ! Thanks a lot !Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Ookay ! I wanted to ask about it, must have had a gut feeling, literally...
What do we do if we are sick during our 6 weeks HE ? I have had diarrhea for two days (sorry I know gross). I don't feel too sick though and should be okay tomorrow or the day after. Still tried to eat though, take my supps and managed to stay hydrated but it was a hard two days. Since I've got a month left before TTC, my sway should be okay right ?
I've always wondered about what to do if we end up getting sick while swaying. Could the amount of vits and minerals lost sway pink ? Would it be better to postpone if it happens too close to the TTC date ?
I got viral fever and couldn't maintain HE diet during that planned attempt month. So I postponed the attempt month to next month and resumed HE
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Hi Bromedha, how are you ? :hug2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bromedha
I'm glad you're here I had questions about your own sway ! I think you took a lot of vit D right ? Didn't it make you sick ?
That kind of thing I'd not have you delay a sway over. If you were super sick for a week, with high fever (even if just a bad cold) then in that case I ~might~ consider waiting a cycle.
Thank you ! I'm already better and I didn't have a fever. O is coming. Only one month left before TTC :nails:Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Glad you're feeling better!
I have trouble getting the guaifenesin I showed you the other day but I found this one although it's a 200mg. Is it okay ?
https://fr.iherb.com/pr/Enzymatic-Th...0-Tablets/2103
Can you find one without the mullein and marshmallow?
None that ships quickly enough and cheap enough to France :tissue:Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
The only syrup with guaifenesin with have here is this one :
Guaïfénésine 200 mg/tbsp
Saccharose 5,55 g
Alcool 0,8 mg
Active : Guaïfénésine
Excipients : Acide acétique, Acide citrique anhydre, Alpha-terpinéol, Alpha-tocophérol, Caramel sirop, Carmellose sodique, Cinéole, Citral, Purified Water, Éthanol, Lévomenthol, Macrogol 40 stéarate, Miel, Polyéthylène oxyde, Propylèneglycol, Saccharine sodique, Saccharose, Sodium benzoate, Sodium citrate
Let's go with the other one, those herbs ~should~ only help to make more CM but it's just that they're untested.
Sorry I didn't understand your answer. Should we go for the syrup or the tabs ?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I wonder, is guaifenesin really necessary for a blue sway or is it just to help getting pregnant quickly ? It seemed to work well enough for the girls but some others had great result without it too... I wonder ?
Let's do this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sora
We don't know. It's not been tested, it's all just guesses based on theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sora
Whenever possible for blue I think natural is the way to go. If you have a good amount of EWCM I'd go with it and skip the guaifenesin if you want to.'
I am totally fine with you leaving it out. I got 4 boys and never touched the stuff.
OH I didn't see that post, thanks !Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
EWCM depends. It was good for a long time, then not, then good again last summer, then not just before starting HE DIET back, then good again for now. I bought Preseed in case I ever feel dry again.
For now my days looks like this :
Morning : Cereals with milk and fruit/juice OR Almonds and a fruit with full fat yoghurt and a bit of oats.
Snacking : Cheese or fruit or a bit of white meat and cream cheese.
Lunch : Often meat (red or white) with bread and cream cheese and V8. Lentils or beans. Need to add more vegetables.
Snacking : I admit I indulge in pancakes or icecream as of late. Try to get almonds too with either yoghurt, milk or cheese. Fruit juice also.
Dinner : Meat red or white, whatever with it pasta/pizza/soup but sometimes I would have only meat alone with a yoghurt and V8 or fruit because I'm just not hungry.
Before bed : Cereals or cheese or pureed fruit.
I have trouble squeezing vegetables in there. Thinking about trying to get more soups because I feel so full after meat and/or almonds that I can barely swallow more but liquids are okay.
For supps now I have Women One a Day, folics 2000, vit D, coq10, probiotics, fish oil 1000 (that I take every 2-3 days) found iron at 14...
Trying to do weights, will walk a lot this month for my job, playing video games to feel even more competitive.
DH has Men One a Day 50+, vitD 5000 with doc's blessing, probiotics and eats more vegetables than I do ^^". I hope it's okay for him to be all meat and vegetables cause for now he is avoiding carbs in the hopes of performing better in martial arts.
Only one month left before TTC :nails:
Diet looking great - I def. had pancakes and ice cream when I got my boys.
if you can't get all the fruit and veg in that's fine. It's just a goal to aim at. I doubt I ever had that many fruit and veg when I got my boys.
The diet is much less important for DH and I think it's fine he's following that type of healthy diet.
Everything else is looking great!!
Thank you it's reassuring !Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Just something I was wondering : It looks like I'm thinning this time around instead of rounding up as I was last summer. Is it because I'm more carefull about carbs (less potatoes and bananas) ? I find the difference surprising to say the least. I'm not loosing weight, not that I know of, it's more like my body is becoming less chubby and more defined.
You're adding muscle. That is great, very much what we want.
A lot of people who gain on HE are those who eat lots of potato, banana, dried fruit, and then all the HE food on top of it!
That is just what we want to see!
That's good to read. True, last year that's what I did, lots of potatoes, bananas and dried fruits on top of the rest. Just hoping I'm not missing out on much if I don't eat too much of them, especially dried fruits. Although they are quite sugary, I've always heard they had lots of nutrients.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
AF is here as it should, started this morning (which is a good sign since even last month it started in the evening). I'm trying not to stress but :nails:
Will go buy coconut water. One of the things that worries me the most is weights. I couldn't do them regularly this June because of my job. Had to walk a lot around every day for hours and was too tired once I got home to lift anything. Plus I try to get enough sleep so I go to bed early. It was also a bit hard to snack during the day since I was outside most of the time but I still had my three meals, fortified cereals in the morning, proteins and carbs as much as I could.
Is there something more I can do during the days leading up to O ? I read your answer to hurrem but trying to think about anything I might have forgotten. I want it to be perfect. It weirds me out because it feels like I was doing so much more last time... although I had less supps and nutrients and too much carbs !:suprise:
Also DH is interested in L-arginine and L-carnitine. Is it okay if he takes them and if so, how much ?
No they aren't that great. They're better than candy I suppose but in terms of nutrients, they're actually fairly low nutrient. Just take a vitamin pill you'll get everything in dry fruit and then some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sora
I personally do not think doing anything going into O makes any difference but yes try to get lots of sleep, drink coco water/wheatgrass juice/lemon water.
Sicne you're working all day I think it's fine to skip the weights. Remember, we don't want to actually OVERexercise, since overexercise can end up swaying pink.
Yes arginine and carnitine are good options for hubby to take! Absolutely!
500 mg arginine, 1000 mg carnitine. Daily started right away. I'd have him wean off at bfp.
Okay thank you for the quick answer ! It's weird, I only seem to find 1000mg arginine and 1500-2000 mg carnitine when searching for brands ?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Even weights could be overexercising if I already walk a lot ? I thought it built muscle and helped sway blue ?
Something I forgot to ask : I'm almost done with Q10... I seem to remember we can't stop that too quickly, that you have to wean off at least after bfp. Should I start to take it every other day instead of daily ?
Ok. Give that a try, 1000 arginine and 1500 carnitine.
If you're doing lots of cardio all day long, and then add MORE exercise on top of that, then yes, it can get into the realm of overexercise. Your body can only do so much and walking does use the muscles in your lower body.
Yes I'd take it every other day now on the coq10. It does need to be weaned off.
Okay thanks a lot !Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I've done a lot of walking for my job since the end of May. I don't know if it really counts as cardio since walking this much never made me loose weight before haha ! But it's true my legs and feets hurt quite a lot lately.
Soo I got my hands on a 500 arginine :bluecheer:
Couldn't find less than 1500 for carnitine or if so, it came with other things added in the mix.
So we now have these :
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Hope it's okay !
It all depends on the amount of cals you eat, sadly cardio alone without calorie restrictions don't make you lose weight. But the aching in your legs is probably muscle growing. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sora
Yes those supps are great!
Was thinking about something you said to a pink swayer. I had noticed it while talking about dairy but not pondered it much. You said dairy is fortified but here it's quite different. Only the products marketed towards young children are, be they milk, yoghurts, cheese. They also are the ones who are full fat more often than not (whole milk or made from whole milk). Dairy marketed towards adults is the opposite : often made from skimmed milk, almost never fortified and so on. Some things may be but it's less than children and usually geared towards old women. Same goes for cereals. Ironically, the adult brands which happen to be fortified are the diet ones !
Here you're supposed to "stock" on vitamins when you're a child and an adult is supposed to eat well enough not to need any help (while being very carefull about weight, hence the products made from skimmed milk). There's this idea that if you're lacking some nutrients, it's because you ate "wrong" as a child.
That also may explain why I still had daughters even though I had lots of dairy ? Especially since I didn't take anything fortified cause in my mind, it was for children and old women. But I never drank skimmed milk, hate the stuff.
It never comes down to one thing like that but that is super interesting.
I have a disproportionate number of blue swayers from France, I've noticed that in the past, of all my European countries, by far the most blue swayers are from France!
Thank you for sharing that info with me!!
That's funny, Panther said that too !Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I can only guess a few things that may explain (probably) :
- Lowest BMI of all Western Europe, average size is around 8(UK)-4(US) / 10(UK)-6(US) for women between 15-45 years.
- For a long time, the recommended cals intake was 1200-1500 a day for a woman out of puberty and not yet pregnant.
- LOTS of running, jogging, cardio. For 10 years now, we've had men and women of all age getting into it twice a day, 7/7 because the "healthy ones are the ones that ruuuun" !
- There was that trend of veganism where you only ingest roots and water.
- A general trend for dieting and a lot of pressure starting from a very young age (12-13)
- Lack of supps, even when wanting to conceive : even when warned about folics, women only starts taking pills once they're already pregnant, not before. I was considered an OVNI for taking my 400 folics two months before TTC DD1.
- Low doses of supps, lower than what you can find in other countries. Looks like they're always afraid we will gorge on the stuff and die XD ! Once, I needed vit A for some skin problem and the doc at the time was "What ? Isn't there any other way ? Because you know... vit A... if you take too much of that stuff, you could DIE !". Had to go to an hospital to get a prescription ! It's basically the same with pregnancy : supps are limited to folics, iron, omega 3 and all that AFTER conceiving. Ah and cal/mag, always cal/mag.
- Also, 80% of the female population still believe in Shettles. The other 20% know about the cal/mag vs potassium thingy...
- Prices for meat and fish are skyrocketing. It's becoming harder and harder to eat them once a day, even when you're not vegetarian/vegan. 10 years ago, every family had meat once a day and you couldn't find a restaurant that didn't sell meaty plates (it was hard for a vegetarian like me XD). Not anymore.
- Food is rarely fortified and anyway, fortified food is seen as something best given to children and the elderly.
- Animal fats are less and less accepted as a whole, because animal cruelty, vegans and stuff. Dairy and milk especially have been the first targets since the vegan trend happened on our shores. As far as 2011-2012, anyone who dared to say they liked milk would be heavily criticized, called a baby, a calf... Everywhere, you could hear "adults who still drink milk or use milk-based food are weirdos, they are still not weaned it seems !"
- As a result, almond milk, rice milk and soy milk became more and more proeminent either at home or outside.
We still have boys though XD, have had more of them starting from 2014 if the ratio in kindergarten are any indication. I think that's when the shift happened and people became more carefull about veganism, supps and especially vit D. Cals intake was boosted up to 2000. Also, sports-wise, weights and the like are trending now and cardio 7/7 is loosing followers. Not jogging though. Milk is still hated, meat still missing. But people are crazy about fruits and vegetables, more than usual.
Thank you!! That is fascinating and so very interesting! Super helpful, thank you so much for taking the time to write that all up for me!
Glad I can bring something to the table. I'm no scientist though, these are only conclusions from what I've seen, heard and what docs complained about the most whenever I had an appointment while TTC and then when pregnant. But it's a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Oh wow just read through the stats in France, so interesting!
Every country truly does have its own views on diets and healthy living. Although veganism has become a trend here where I live it’s no where big enough to overcome the other foods, the people here just love their meat and dairy lol.
I wish you the best of luck for your sway Sora, and pray you get your little boy!
Thank you hurrem. France has always been a harsh country for every girl or woman out there who is naturally chubby/gains weight easily. People here, even doctors, believe much too hard in more weight= fast food. If only they knew what some of their "beautiful thin elite" ingest everyday, they wouldn't call them "healthy" to our faces.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrem
Ironically, it was also a harsh country for whomever didn't like meat or dairy up til the 2010's. Meat and dairy are so important in many of our local recipes that vegetarians had a hard time finding some place where they could skip them and just have a plate of vegetables or pastas. I remember when you would get so much weird looks because you went a whole feast without ever touching the meat. In restaurants, people mocked you and at home, people were just worried out of their minds, like "Are you sure you eat enough ? How can you even stand on your own legs without ever eating a bit of beef or chicken ? You will end up sick for sure !"
Now it's the other way around. Dairy, even in childrens' meals, is replaced with soy, almond and coconut milk. They even have started to switch the milk intended for non-breastfed newborns with them these past few months because, with more and more vegans, there are more and more parents asking for dairy-free products, to keep their babies away from that "disgusting milk, issued from animal cruelty and responsible for every sickness in the world". It has to be seen and heard to be believed. Now I get the weird looks because I give my children meat and milk, not because I myself usually don't eat them.
Fun fact (or not) : since I'm doing the blue diet but swaying is frowned upon in Europe, I concocted some lie about my doc asking me to get back to meat because of some vague illness. Cue horrified reactions all around "Isn't there any other way ? You're just going to end up more sick than ever ! You're killing yourself here... and animals !".
Anyways, even before all that, full-fat milk wasn't favored. We were always told it makes you fat and it was given only to small children, cause they are growing up. Teenagers and adults went with skimmed or half-skimmed milk. Many of our dairy products are made with the half-skimmed brand. And of course, they are not fortified in the least, except those marketed towards children/the elderly.
Well time has flown ! O should be here in a few days and I'm worried I did mistakes here and there ! The short heat wave made it hard to eat but I tried to stick with 5 meals a day. Still had a hard time eating meat each time and a real full meal during 3-4 days. Tried to get by on cereals, almonds, dairy and a bit of chicken + juices but couldn't swallow much before going to bed. I have to admit that sadly, this Saturday and Sunday were mostly water, juices and ice cream :worry:
Drank a lot of coconut water though, very refreshing for that kind of weather. Still managed to get the unprotected sex going every 2-3 days.
DH is very happy with his arginine/carnitine. I remember another male poster (was it archie ?) saying that he felt better down there with the supps (+one a day men + vitD). Asked DH about it and he said he felt the same.
Now the weather is colder again. I shall be able to eat a real full meal once more. As for cereals, I've been going around switching between muesli with berries, oat/rice/wheat flakes which are fortified... and my kids' cereals that are VERY much fortified (but also are quite sugary :tissue:). Idk if it was a mistake or not but I was in a state of mind where it wasn't enough, never enough, and I was on the hunt for more vits and minerals.
Days are going by fast and since I had a lot of work in June, it was hard eating regularly/ Sometimes I only got three meals plus a snack before bed and I wasn't sure it was enough. That worries me.
Time really is flowing by! But your sway sounds good to me Sora and I totally understand the difficulty of trying to eat ‘everything’, even I still think I’m not getting enough nutrients or vitamins, that my sway isn’t perfect yet, but most important thing is to eat more than what we were before. The weather really affects our eating habits, espec if you end up getting sick or a sore throat(it’s cold here so I can’t just guzzle down cold juice or milkshakes all the time!). Btw can you buy hummus at your place? I’m eating that everyday with crackers or veges, great snack espec for work. Lots of luck and prayers to you, may everything go well <3
Thank you hurrem ! Here it has been a very warm week so cold drinks were okay but it was hard having a full meal with cooked meat and all. I had dried meat instead but couldn't add much to it except cheese, V8 and a bit of bread.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrem
Yes I can buy hummus, in fact I did just that when the heat wave started. Had it during lunch and as a snack, it was very good !
Hope we both get our boys !
and yes this is what happened with me after drinking grapefruit juice without added sugar i have bad sore throat and now i m in my fertile window. [emoji57]Quote:
Originally Posted by hurrem
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Aand the line has started to appear tonight on my little cheap OPK's but not too dark yet and my Clearblue is still negative. Guess it will turn positive tomorrow. We DTD already today. Idk if we add an attempt tonight or if we wait tomorrow to see if the Clearblue shows its positive smiley and if so, go on with the three attempts.
DH says he is full of energy but on the other hand I don't want to tire him before we have a clear, confirmed, positive peak.