January 2WW!

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

This has been such a lame month.. so frustrated. I have no idea how many DPO I am as I don't even know if I ovulated!! I don't know why I wouldn't have - never in my life have I not. And I had all the cramping etc. but just a few days later than normal. Anyways, today I'm feeling totally like I'm getting my period but I'm on CD19 so that's doubtful. I just have a super heavy feeling between my legs.. seriously, just like when you're giving birth. Oh man.. my body is so messed up. Def not even planning on POAS as I'm 100% sure I'm out as everyone on here thinks my temp chart shows no O

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I understand completely msblakely. Happy 2013 hey?! More of the same cr*p from last year ie more bfns! An anoulatory cycle for me too, haven't a clue when to expect af. Hopefully not too soon as I'm on cd24 and trying to get hold of my clomid for next month. I usually have long cycles so am hoping to get af towards the end of next week. It would tie in better with dh's shifts better too for our attempt. I feel SO down about it all at the moment and think I've exhausted my friends' patience irl talking about it for the last year. :(

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Originally Posted by Dreamofpink

I understand completely msblakely. Happy 2013 hey?! More of the same cr*p from last year ie more bfns! An anoulatory cycle for me too, haven't a clue when to expect af. Hopefully not too soon as I'm on cd24 and trying to get hold of my clomid for next month. I usually have long cycles so am hoping to get af towards the end of next week. It would tie in better with dh's shifts better too for our attempt. I feel SO down about it all at the moment and think I've exhausted my friends' patience irl talking about it for the last year. :(

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Dreamofpink - did it take you long to get pregnant with both your boys? I got pregnant first cycle with both of mine so I was shocked that it's cycle number 2 and I'm expecting a negative again! I just assumed that if you've had an easy time twice.. it's going to be easy the third time!
We haven't told anyone we are ttc, and actually tell everyone we only want 2 kids :) That was true for a time.. but now that I got a BFN last cycle the idea of a 3rd won't leave my head, boy or girl! I worried the diet has messed with me as I'm soooo so underweight now and can't gain it back! I'm assuming I could quite easily if I started eating lots of protein, fatty foods etc. but I want to gain it the LE way. I guess I'm not shocked... my BMI has got to be in the 15's now...why would I O! Rehhhhh (sorry, thats my I'm annoyed trying to not care sound lol)

sorry for my rant - right there with you on the no one to talk about it with!

Yep, both boys conceived on 2nd month of trying. Sooo easy then!! I think the last 18 months has really messed me up although my cycles have always been long-ish. I think this cycle is stress-related and I was glad to not have to decide whether to wait for the clomid or not. Looking forward to using it but just find it hard to believe that I'll ever see a bfp again! Living vicariously through the ladies who I started out with in the autumn who are now in the due date threads. You really need to speak to AS about your weight. It's not just getting pg that's at stake, you have to be able to maintain a pregnancy too. It's not a criticism, I'm worried for you and your health. X x

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

Dreamofpink - did it take you long to get pregnant with both your boys? I got pregnant first cycle with both of mine so I was shocked that it's cycle number 2 and I'm expecting a negative again! I just assumed that if you've had an easy time twice.. it's going to be easy the third time!
We haven't told anyone we are ttc, and actually tell everyone we only want 2 kids :) That was true for a time.. but now that I got a BFN last cycle the idea of a 3rd won't leave my head, boy or girl! I worried the diet has messed with me as I'm soooo so underweight now and can't gain it back! I'm assuming I could quite easily if I started eating lots of protein, fatty foods etc. but I want to gain it the LE way. I guess I'm not shocked... my BMI has got to be in the 15's now...why would I O! Rehhhhh (sorry, thats my I'm annoyed trying to not care sound lol)

sorry for my rant - right there with you on the no one to talk about it with!

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Hon you definitely need to gain some back, atomic doesn't recommend anyone go under 18BMI for girl sway (or for TTC at all) because you will risk stopping o. That's def what's going on.

FYI I have 2 boys, and conceived both first go, one on the pill actually (happy surprise but NOT planned) and the other first month off the pill. I've been off the pill 8 months now and charting for 6. So far I've o'd every month I've charted but have issues with a short luteal phase which extended last month using soy.

I've had two chemical's in the 6 months of charting (where you get a + preg test then still get af, and test goes negative, so you lost the embryo before it implanted enough to stick).

Maybe your sway is a touch aggressive if your BMI went so low? I had to ease up a bit too, and dropped things like peppermint tea, cran (I came over from IG), eased off the disprin and acijel just using them sparingly prior to o.

I paid for a plan last month and its helped SO much. A few things I was mucking up was acijel between attempts! Apparently for those who use it, you only do prior to first attempt. NOT after, or it kills everything! Oops.

I was def overdoing it.

FYI all girl swayers atomic just got new stats on acidophilus and they aren't great. She has recommended I drop them ASAP. I bet I'm pg and will stress for the next 20 weeks that the acidophilus ruined my perfect girl sway.

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Originally Posted by Dreamofpink

Yep, both boys conceived on 2nd month of trying. Sooo easy then!! I think the last 18 months has really messed me up although my cycles have always been long-ish. I think this cycle is stress-related and I was glad to not have to decide whether to wait for the clomid or not. Looking forward to using it but just find it hard to believe that I'll ever see a bfp again! Living vicariously through the ladies who I started out with in the autumn who are now in the due date threads. You really need to speak to AS about your weight. It's not just getting pg that's at stake, you have to be able to maintain a pregnancy too. It's not a criticism, I'm worried for you and your health. X x

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I know what you mean, I couldn't help but feel last month that if I conceived straight up like last times, I'd be 8 months pregnant now.

I want clomid too.

Terrified the acidophilus ruined my sways and for once I actually want a BFN this month so I can drop it! That's crazy.

Oh I know, I'm trying to gain some back. However, I conceived both boys with a 16 BMI so i've always been very much underweight even though I eat a lot. I really feel like I O'd this month.. I'd be so shocked if I did because of the EWCM, CP and cramping.. ah, I don't know what to think! All I know is that next month we are very much easing up. I'm keeping protein low, no snacking/breakfast but I'm not going to watch cals as closely. We wanted to be pregnant by March due to our boys ages and that's getting less and less likely as the sway continues so this was our last month with a uber strong sway. Grrrrrrrr

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

Oh I know, I'm trying to gain some back. However, I conceived both boys with a 16 BMI so i've always been very much underweight even though I eat a lot. I really feel like I O'd this month.. I'd be so shocked if I did because of the EWCM, CP and cramping.. ah, I don't know what to think! All I know is that next month we are very much easing up. I'm keeping protein low, no snacking/breakfast but I'm not going to watch cals as closely. We wanted to be pregnant by March due to our boys ages and that's getting less and less likely as the sway continues so this was our last month with a uber strong sway. Grrrrrrrr

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In that case, I agree entirely with your reasoning. If you have a very high metabolism and have always been underweight (jealous!!) then there's not much you can do, so that's a good plan.

Staying off the multivitamins etc will help, did you take those before? I know I was loaded with them for my boys. My BMI was always on the underweight side of Normal, so 20ish at the time. I snacked all the time (healthy stuff) and ate breakfast always (oats, which are apparently terrible for TTC girl), ate meat, when I had a splurge day diet wise it was always high fat and salt never high sugar. We did it every 2nd-3rd day, and basically I did everything boy.

Am now 18bmi and no breakfast, no snacks, no meat (well, in the 2ww for December and jan I ate meat about 3 times, but other than that not at all for 8 months), we tried abstain and fr, this month we kind of combined and did abstain until I thought I was about to o, then switched to fr. Then didn't o for like 5 days! Annoying.

If I went on my signals I would have o'd on cd 15, but then had another bunch of cramps on cd 19 after the +opk and my temps confirm that must have been o.

In my 8 months TTC this time I've never known a chart to be wrong. Temps show things we can't measure accurately elsewhere. Because you can gear up to o then not actually release the egg so you have all the signs but don't get +opk or higher temps to confirm.

You may just o really late so keep opk-ing.

With my first I just ate whatever, lots of meat for sure and junk. I didn't really work out much, but I snacked 24/7 (always have) and ate breakfast all the time. We did abstain for about a week and then 5-6 attempts in the fertile window with both my boys. My second, I was working out for 20mins a day running and eating healthy, but it included meat and avocado and lots of "healthy" foods. I feel like he could have been a girl considering I was losing weight and had just stopped BF'ing but I definitely snacked all the time so maybe my blood sugar has a big part to play. He was an abstain with about 5-6 attempts as well

This time we did FR with 3 attempts, only 2 even remotely in the fertile window though with FR in between. I've used OPK's today and they are negative, even more so than yesterday so not sure that what means. My temps definitely dropped a little a few days ago and then have been on the rise ever since but aren't on a different level than my previous temps.. just at the high end (if that makes any sense). I guess my temps will continue to tell me more but I can say I'm cramping like mad today and have CM (more so than ever this week) but not EW, just regular. SO who knows!!!

Just to clarify should i count DPO from when fertility friend said I O'd or from +opk which were the 2 days after this.

Af has always gnome 14 days from the +opk

+opk can't happen after o, and o is usually 12-48hrs after the first +opk. I would ignore ff in this case and count from when the opk and cramping told you o happened. I can't see your chart on my phone but your temps could have been mucked up if you temp orally, sleep with mouth open, were sick, or got up to settle a child. If you had a rise at some stage after the +opk, you o'd the night/day before the rise.

Hope that makes sense!