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But it is super normal for that to happen - 99 times out of 100 it is really nothing you did that caused it and that one time it is something the mother did, it's like heavy drinking or hard drugs during pregnancy - something that is easy to avoid. the rest of the time it's just bad luck, a genetic mistake occurs. Building a new human is just so complicated that the miracle is not that it doesn't work out, but it's how often that it actually does.

I think doctors like to run that play because if the issue is with us, the patient, and they "fix us", then they are earning their pay even though the reality is pregnancies end because sometimes things just go wrong and then the next time through it works out becuase nothing went wrong, but the docs can then take credit for it!!

Ok I need some help. Im feeling a bit overwhelmed! I’m going to start clomid this next cycle (I always get my period on the 1st) I’ve been trying to do the LE diet but have struggled because I’m also trying to eat healthier (lots of veggies, protein, no carbs and no dairy) I suck at dieting. Seriously. I love to snack and love meat. Wondering if I should just do the LE diet hard from here on though because my doctor will only let me do clomid for 2 cycles as I already ovulate on my own. Should I just cut out all meats, eat less nutritious greens (romaine vs kale, frozen vs fresh veggies and cut down calories) I have a hard time skipping breakfast as I work out late morning and I feel sick if I have an empty belly so I’ll have either an apple with almond butter, Luna bar or a shake. What should I sub that for? I just need ideas on what the heck to eat!
Also, I hope I’m not offending anyone but I really would like twins as this will most likely be my last pregnancy and I desperately would love a total of 4 children. I know Atomic, you advised against doing 100mg clomid as it may cause Hyperovulation but would it up the chances of twins or just be too dangerous? Should I ask my doc to monitor me? He never mentioned anything about it. Any and all advise is beyond appreciated! Thanks for everything!


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We have not found ANY benefit for sways by choosing less nutritious fruits and veg. We started off thinking that may be something we needed to do but over time we have come to realize it makes no difference and so you should continue eating whatever fruit and veg YOU like and enjoy. The things that really seem to sway are cals, fat, protein, and the highly fortified foods like Luna bars and protein shakes so I'd give those a pass and have a Larabar instead which are not fortified. Don't worry about eating if you need to for exercise.

How much Clomid have you been given?

I don't want anyone taking more than 50 unless they have not ovulated on 50. it is too dangerous, you could easily (well, not easily, but possibly) end up with quadruplets or something!! And you really can't just have your doc monitor you. Because many times, you will release 2-3 or even 4 eggs and then still only conceive a singleton, and also because doctors miss things. The ONLY set of Clomid triplets we have ever had was in a woman who was being monitored and her doctor told her point blank she had only one follicle! (they were fraternal, so he missed at least two, LOL)

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We have not found ANY benefit for sways by choosing less nutritious fruits and veg. We started off thinking that may be something we needed to do but over time we have come to realize it makes no difference and so you should continue eating whatever fruit and veg YOU like and enjoy. The things that really seem to sway are cals, fat, protein, and the highly fortified foods like Luna bars and protein shakes so I'd give those a pass and have a Larabar instead which are not fortified. Don't worry about eating if you need to for exercise.

How much Clomid have you been given?

I don't want anyone taking more than 50 unless they have not ovulated on 50. it is too dangerous, you could easily (well, not easily, but possibly) end up with quadruplets or something!! And you really can't just have your doc monitor you. Because many times, you will release 2-3 or even 4 eggs and then still only conceive a singleton, and also because doctors miss things. The ONLY set of Clomid triplets we have ever had was in a woman who was being monitored and her doctor told her point blank she had only one follicle! (they were fraternal, so he missed at least two, LOL)

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Oh my goodness! Ok maybe I will just stick with the 50 for now. I ovulate just fine and have a very predictable cycle. Just have a hard time getting pregnant. Hubby never got his a perm tested so it may be him 🤷🏻*♀️ but the reason I was asking about 50 vs 100 mg clomid is because my doctor prescribed 50 to me with one refill last month. I filled last month’s script but never took it as I was too late in my cycle...so I thought maybe I would just take last AND this months together to up my chances of getting pregnant. Sounds like a bad idea though. Thank you so much for all of your help!


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Yes I'd def. recommend sticking with 50 because it could actually LOWER your odds of conceiving since too much can affect EWCM quality and your lining in a negative way. :) Good luck and pink dust!

Hi atomic, just wanted to update, that I'm 12 weeks pregnant with DS3, confirmed by ultrasound, I think both with nub and potty shot (I didn't catch the nub, but potty shot was so obviously boyish even to me). Ahh, I'll be 40 when baby arrives, so I'm not sure about number 4 right now.
I just want to thank you for all your help and support. I'll post my sway, I thought it wasn't that bad, but of course, there was a lot to improve :) I didn't think I would know the gender today, so I'm a bit shocked :)

Ok, here's my sway details https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...tml#post998076

Potty shots are not reliable at 12 weeks, but I think it's best to assume it's a boy. Congrats on DS3!!

Unfortunately even with the best sways there seems to be that impenetrable 25-30% opposites. I wish it wasn't that way but it just seems to be that there is an upper ceiling on swaying success.

Hugest hugs and thank you so much for updating us.

Thank you so much, atomic! Ahhh, to say the truth, besides being sad for not having a girl, I'm really afraid of having three boys, I wonder if i can handle it, my older ones are just 4 and 3 and it is already difficult to control situation when they make "coalition" against me :)

i just wonder is it really possible for really obvious boyish potty shot with clear protruding part between legs become girlish with nothing in between?

Yes it is and let me explain why.

All babies start off looking like girls. They have a "clitoris" that protrudes and from the bottom boys and girls look identical because this "clitoris" juts out and looks to our adult way of thinking, like penises. But this is only because the hormones that turn this "clitoris" into penises in boys have not started to affect the structure. This doesn't happen till the very end of the 10th week, the Y chromosome which was dormant wakes up and slowly starts making testosterone that then slowly causes the genitals (which again, in all babies, look identical up to that point, like girl parts) in boys to grow bigger. Only after this process is mostly complete can you start to see ANY difference in boys and girls, and in sideways nub shots, this is not clear till into the 13th week, and for potty shots, this doesn't happen reliably until into the 15th. In the 12th week, with a potty shot, all you are seeing is the "clitoris" which you simply can't tell which gender it is at that stage.

You can sometimes - even many times tell from a nub (sideways profile) late in the 12th week but because you're seeing a bottom view, it is not possible to tell gender from a potty shot in the 12th week. There is something that juts out on both boys and girls and it looks the same because it IS the same at that stage of development.

Thank you so much for explaining. From ultrasound forums on this site I read lots of time that it is early, and I didn't think he would be able to tell me with confidence. I was actually 11.6, but he said 12.4 based on ultrasound, and he gave only 1% doubt, after I asked a few times about possible mistake. With my DS2 at 13 weeks he said possibly girl, but not sure, baby wasn't in a good position, and I need to to come back again in two weeks. With my twins, he said right at 13 weeks. But i know he's pretty good at it and he has better equipment now, and was very confident. He started looking at whole profile (I guess he looked at the nub), and then turned to potty shot. In my country I heard from many people that 11-12 weeks is the time they say gender now, and some doctors are considered "experts" in this, unfortunately because there is a demand to know as early as possible to decide the fate of the baby. There aren't any NIPT type analyses here, some companies take blood and send to other countries, but it's very expensive.
I tried searching internet for some hope, but there was almost none. Everyone agrees it's early, but almost all recent guesses with potty shots at 12-13 weeks turned out to be right, especially for boys with obvious protrusion. So I'm trying to come to terms, but it is so hard :)

Oh, also, you know about everything, so can I please ask you. Already a few people of my friends/relatives who knew about my twins and miscarriages, told me maybe I just cannot make healthy girls somehow. But I know that one of my twins was healthy and if not preterm labor, she would be fine. Anyway, I had one chemical and one miscarriage when swaying and I think my sway was better at that time, than with this recent conception. I would like your opinion. Thanks again so much for your knowledge, support and time!