Anyone have no symptoms and things still be ok?

i didnt know you could ovulate more than 1 egg from one side :) in all honesty id never even used an opk before swaying so i must admit to being horribly ignorant about all of this despite having had a million pregnancies :-/ pre-swaying i was one of those "just bd whenever we want and a bfp will come around when it does" people.

TP i dont want to try and persuade you into anything as it must be your decision and yours alone, but from what you are saying and my own experience with a team green opposite vs my "knowing the gender" pregnancies. i feel like maybe team green could work for you on a take each day as it comes type basis, as in if you reach a point where for any reason you just know you have to find out in order to cope then you find out, but if you feel that not knowing is better for you than hearing "girl" then stay not knowing, for what its worth i thought i wanted to be team green with #7 (1st sway baby) until i hit 37 weeks and found out at the growth scan because i wasnt enjoying team green anymore and i just knew at that point that i needed to know, generally people laugh at me when i tell them this including the sonographer who was like "you seriously want to find out now like 2-3 weeks before the birth!! wont you regret spoiling the surprise?" but it was what i needed to do :)

i have everything crossed for baby to look perfect at your scan on wednesday xx

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Haha I'm not even going by OWT, since I'm also super hairy right now (versus one of the few OWTs that lined up with DD was me barely needing to shave or pluck -- and I'm of a pretty swarthy ethnicity haha). But I felt more symptoms from my brief pregnancy with our abnormal XYs! It's all me feeling it by intuition I guess... and that damn intuition study is what's making me feel it must be true. Even though I know that was one study and it wasn't 100% even then! Uugh, I'm half serious about someone needing to sedate me lol!

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Well... Tonight while cleaning up the house the thought came into my head that if we get pregnant this cycle (and I don't know even know if I've O'd yet!), it's going to be a boy. I decided I didn't do enough sway-wise so it can't be a girl. And again, I don't know even know if I've ovulated yet, much less if I'm even going to catch the egg LOL!!!! But see - I think that is just the product of having really strong gender desire/disappointment, not intuition. Maybe it's different for you - and honestly I don't want to come off sounding like I'm telling you what you think or feel or know!! I'm not trying to discredit your intuition at all. It's just I know how strong the gender desire can be and I think it can cloud our thinking/feelings a lot of times and really confuse us. And then when you've worked SO hard to try to get the desired gender I think it can make it even harder to believe it will actually ever happen.

I was a ball of emotions and feelings and worries - all of it - with each of my BFPs over the past year... You aren't alone in that!! I looked for every possible sign of whether I was carrying a boy or girl!! But after my 3rd miscarriage in March when I was a horrible mess in those first few weeks, I had the strongest feeling that that 3rd pregnancy was my girl. Like, I even told several people IRL that I knew it was a girl - even people who don't know about how strong my desire for a girl is. That stupid "left side" thing again too... I *think*, but am not sure, that the baby was on the left. So with that and with the swaying I had done and then the fact that I had lost it... I just completely convinced myself that it was a girl. It was one of the reasons I didn't want to do testing on the fetal tissue after the D&C (that and there was likely not enough fetal tissue for them to test anyways which means they probably would have ended up just testing my chromosomes!). But if the testing had come back that it was a girl I wouldn't have been able to handle it. Obviously I'll never know if I was right or not, but having some distance now from the pregnancy and having been able to remove myself from the emotions of it a little more I can see that it was probably GD (combined with the pain of the loss) - not intuition - making me "convinced" it was a girl. And maybe it was a girl - but I really, really have no way of knowing so I've at least been able to stop torturing myself over it (for now at least!).

But anyways... I really think you have a great chance of this being a boy!!! I don't know all you did as far as swaying but I think you said you were doing HE and you had multiple attempts and you are (like me!) ultra-fertile so there are lots of good factors in your favor!!! Still keeping my fingers crossed that this is your healthy little boy!!!

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Well... Tonight while cleaning up the house the thought came into my head that if we get pregnant this cycle (and I don't know even know if I've O'd yet!), it's going to be a boy. I decided I didn't do enough sway-wise so it can't be a girl. And again, I don't know even know if I've ovulated yet, much less if I'm even going to catch the egg LOL!!!! But see - I think that is just the product of having really strong gender desire/disappointment, not intuition. Maybe it's different for you - and honestly I don't want to come off sounding like I'm telling you what you think or feel or know!! I'm not trying to discredit your intuition at all. It's just I know how strong the gender desire can be and I think it can cloud our thinking/feelings a lot of times and really confuse us. And then when you've worked SO hard to try to get the desired gender I think it can make it even harder to believe it will actually ever happen.

I was a ball of emotions and feelings and worries - all of it - with each of my BFPs over the past year... You aren't alone in that!! I looked for every possible sign of whether I was carrying a boy or girl!! But after my 3rd miscarriage in March when I was a horrible mess in those first few weeks, I had the strongest feeling that that 3rd pregnancy was my girl. Like, I even told several people IRL that I knew it was a girl - even people who don't know about how strong my desire for a girl is. That stupid "left side" thing again too... I *think*, but am not sure, that the baby was on the left. So with that and with the swaying I had done and then the fact that I had lost it... I just completely convinced myself that it was a girl. It was one of the reasons I didn't want to do testing on the fetal tissue after the D&C (that and there was likely not enough fetal tissue for them to test anyways which means they probably would have ended up just testing my chromosomes!). But if the testing had come back that it was a girl I wouldn't have been able to handle it. Obviously I'll never know if I was right or not, but having some distance now from the pregnancy and having been able to remove myself from the emotions of it a little more I can see that it was probably GD (combined with the pain of the loss) - not intuition - making me "convinced" it was a girl. And maybe it was a girl - but I really, really have no way of knowing so I've at least been able to stop torturing myself over it (for now at least!).

But anyways... I really think you have a great chance of this being a boy!!! I don't know all you did as far as swaying but I think you said you were doing HE and you had multiple attempts and you are (like me!) ultra-fertile so there are lots of good factors in your favor!!! Still keeping my fingers crossed that this is your healthy little boy!!!

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Thank you ABC! You and I really do share a mind here!!!

And I've had SUCH similar thoughts! I am still so, so convinced that my first and third losses were boys. Like would bet money on it. But the only reason I thought my second loss was a girl was because my chiropractor had said, "I can see your DD with a sister, not really a brother" before I even knew I was pregnant that cycle! (Which really made me angry, and to this day I still see her more with a brother!)

So it's funny that I'll listen to ANY forecast of a girl as accurate, but anytime someone tells me I'm having a boy/will have a boy, I brush it off!!! My therapist has commented on this, too -- it's like I still feel like I won't get what I want. I have real issues with this mindset. If someone tells me I'm fat or ugly (even if it's just a sister being obnoxious), I will hold onto that and make it true in my mind. If ten people say I'm skinny or pretty, I'll jump over backwards to think of how those are untrue things.

And that's actually a big part of this. I mean, I do keep feeling like a girl -- though I didn't feel that until that damn dream/the Ramzi nonsense! Then there are moments where I'm like, "Well, maybe it is a boy? DH was right about DD afterall -- and he doesn't even want a DS really, so for him to say it..." And the possible placenta in my scan is like 3/4 of the way around the sac haha -- so I know I'm nuts to consider our early scan anything worth anything.

I think I'm just at a point where I just don't feel like I can get a HEALTHY boy. I felt SO sure going into this cycle that this could be it -- and incidentally, last April is when I felt the same sort of, "If we just try, this will be it" -- but DH and I were having major issues and he didn't want to try at all. But then I'll read, "April is girl month" and freak out! But then I KNOW so many men and boys born the end of December/beginning of January, why would I pay it mind?! It's amazing the gymnastics my mind will do to convince me I can't get what I desire so strongly!

I think once I feel confident enough this pregnancy is even staying, I'll post my sway. I did a "mock up" of it just for my sanity the other day, and I mean -- I did a lot! Lots of supplements, mucinex, high protein and high fat for ages, TONS of sex (and all but one of our attempts was in the AM), I even did baking soda finger for one morning attempt, etc. Exercise was minimal, but weight lifting, yoga or hiking when I did it. I had been doing acupuncture since August! Super minimal alcohol. Hadn't touched coffee since 3 weeks pregnant with DD. Etc. And DH has been PLIED with supplements and had his balls iced and I've been on him about alcohol and what not for ages, haha. I'm just also worried because my calories probably could have been higher (I was more in the 1800-2000 range, and had had a few days even lower than that at the beginning of March when I was very depressed from our PGS results) though I did have even higher days from being on a trip at the beginning of the cycle. I'm definitely a higher weight than I was with DD, that's for sure. But I have nerves from the things I was on for the IVF cycles (like myoinsitol which I had just weaned off of in like the beginning of March). I've told myself too, "Lots of girl swayers have opposites doing some of the things I was worried about, so nothing is a 100% one way or the other," but I just feel like luck is rarely on my side -- especially knowing that I don't just fall pregnant easily because of chance, I have hyperfertility! Haha, so now I feel like, "Just my luck, I will have spent thousands and thousands of dollars to have frozen XXs for nothing since I just ended up with a girl trying naturally anyway."

Like, I realize -- I have just as much chance at a boy as anyone, and we even know we were spitting out 50/50 from two IVF cycles. I think what gets me is me feeling like we can't get a healthy boy :( All our XYs being abnormal, and having so many losses during swaying (even though I know it's virtually impossible that all seven of our natural losses were boys!) makes me just so scared that finally getting a healthy pregnancy -- it'll be another girl, and that we can only make healthy girls. And I should say, I think my DH is the issue and not me :/

And I have my theory on hyperfertility, haha -- I know the working theory on GD is that it sways boy, but there ARE studies that show the LONGER it takes to conceive = more boys. And that a woman who could still conceive under poor conditions is more fertile, and thus a girl -- I've read and written about it somewhere on here before! Not that I'm in poor conditions anymore like I was with DD, but I think being very fertile sways more girl from all I've read. I always hope the pink swayers take heart from it, because I don't think falling pregnant easily means "boy" -- and I think I might be a good example of this, or that maybe it IS true in some cases, but my DH is the sperm working against me >_<

First of all, I want to say huge congrats TP!! I’ve been in and out on here, but always make a point to follow you and pray for you and your family. So happy to see you’re pregnant!

I also just wanted to jump on and add with both of my pregnancies, I had little symptoms. With DS1 I had like 1 week of feeling crappy and that wasn’t until like 9 weeks. With DS2 I felt just hungover for a few weeks and only wanted to eat carbs (but that’s my normal life haha). But it wasn’t anything crazy. DS1 I worried constantly with lack of symptoms. And he was actually my healthiest pregnancy lol.

We were also team green. With DS2 I was convinced he was a girl. I was doing NOTHING sway wise besides vitamin D and a multi vitamin. One BD in window, not even that close to O. Not eating properly, no exercising, etc. I wanted so badly to peek at 20w u/s to just know if it was a girl I could mentally prepare. My situation was different though as we had an emergency c section at 33 weeks and I barely got to see him and didn’t get to hold him for 2 days. It was harder bonding than with my first (and maybe because I missed out on the surge of hormones those last few weeks). I can’t imagine what a tough spot you’re in. Maybe, like you mentioned, getting it in an email or written down so you can do it when you’re ready in your own time when you want to and in a good place.

Just wanted to say I’m so happy and praying for a healthy boy for you. [emoji170]


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Well, I'm going to quibble with your midwife on this because what happens is that even from day 1 your body releases relaxin and this absolutely makes things that are stretched out from previous pregnancies, stretchier LOL. For me, I would have a sudden swelling of varicose veins and heartburn (which is also caused by relaxin when u have it in early pg) before I even missed a period and had tons of aches and stretchy pains all over my uterus. Left, right, up down...I'd have severe pain on one side for a few days then it would move to some other spot.

So my best guess is that you probably are having some RLP now - but that IS a symptom!

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i didnt know you could ovulate more than 1 egg from one side :) in all honesty id never even used an opk before swaying so i must admit to being horribly ignorant about all of this despite having had a million pregnancies :-/ pre-swaying i was one of those "just bd whenever we want and a bfp will come around when it does" people.

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Oh no not at all, virtually all of us (myself included) know nothing about the process it's just that I happened to get interested in it, that's all! I find it so fascinating about how it all works and how some of the assumptions we all make (because I think it's just common sense that you'd O from each side, not the same side with twins!) aren't actually true in reality and it's some other thing entirelY! So fun to learn about!!!

@atomic: Thank you! Honestly, I was like, "... I know what RLP feels like," and I got them pretty early with DD too (not this early, but my hips spread VERY far with her, and I think that started early.) And I've been pregnant 10 times in 3 years! Lower belly is already hardening up lol... so I think it's RLP too? I mean, you all know! The "sneeze and feel the pain shooting in that area"! I think I make a shitton of relaxin when pregnant, lol.

@taytum: Thank you so much for commenting! I was just thinking about your little one, too -- how is he doing?! Your boys sure like to come early!!! Though I know DS1 wasn't THAT early!!! Hope DS2 is doing well <3

You were actually a little bit of an inspiration before I went into this pregnancy, haha! Your "hope it's a boy" light sway did make me think, "It really is always possible"! Although I am so jealous you got 2 boys in 2 years, all while being Team Green -- totally my dream :P

So did you really feel DS2 was a girl?! I didn't know that! I think I missed a lot of your posts since I was feeling pretty down when you came back pregnant and I had also lost a baby due in May :( I was in such a bad place. I've been wanting to ask people too who was convinced for sure they had an opposite of what they wanted -- I had polled people before on the "dreams," and LOTS of people dreamed of opposites of what they had, but I wasn't clear on how many were dreaming of what they wanted vs. feared.

Still definitely feeling, "It has to be a girl," but also nervous as scan is today :X Please let this bean have grown and gotten a full heartbeat <3

Got a strong HB and measuring right on track, so things are progressing well. Midwife joked it's a boy too because of symptoms, but then said the prednisone I'm on is probably why I have no symptoms! She said it's what they even give women for HG when it doesn't respond to other meds! So now I have an explanation for why I'm virtually symptomless -- but also can't feel any pleasure from maybe less symptoms being because it's a boy :( I did have preg symptoms while on it during the brief TWW and pregnancy of the XYs, though... midwife said maybe because there were two I had more hormones that pushed beyond the pred, but my HCG never rose as high as I did with just this one at 15DPO AND I didn't start the pred until BFP this time and still hadn't felt anything versus that pregnancy I was on it even before transfer and felt more! So still head scratching!

At least there's a baby in there!

Ahhhh YAY!!!!! I love it! That's so great!! And that's great that you have an explanation with the prednisone and not having symptoms! Totally makes sense. Seriously though - I think it's more common to have less symptoms with a boy than with a girl! And like I said the other day, I had a different severity of symptoms with each of my boys so ya just never know!

YAY YAY for heartbeat!! Do you have a new pic?? Did DH go with you? Is he getting pretty excited now?

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DH did come and seemed pretty excited. He kind of got withdrawn since I'm still very cautious about it all, and I know he hated when I asked, "DO you really think it's a boy?" since I know he's dreading me going through the same tailspin as when I was pregnant with DD. So I'm going to try and focus on just, "I AM pregnant."

Incidentally I asked my midwife if she could tell what side I O'd from and she couldn't tell haha

ETA: This bean is implanted on the complete opposite end of my uterus as DD! But I think DD
was boy by Ramzi and whatnot so I don't know why I'm bothering lol