THANK YOU so much for all your hard work!! It is so appreciated ;)
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THANK YOU so much for all your hard work!! It is so appreciated ;)
thank you!
just wanted to thank you again, much appreciated
I'm going to be about less, so I've just updated the stats in the first post possibly for the last time in a while (I'll keep updating the spreadsheet stats themselves as more sways are added, but won't update the results on here)
I've added the one that was my own theory, left sleeping. Also added alcohol.... and about to add inverses too
Thank you so much for having done all this rainbow. It's so very much appreciated.
there we go, inverses added. I think it can be quite interesting to compare some of those things with those who said they didn't use each swaying technique and those who did.
I loooove the inverse feature. I especially like the inverse stats for new moon/Chinese gender calendar. Still over 60% success with people who didn't use them...I think a lot of people get hung up on this stupid Chinese gender chart (including me, even though there are like five different ones and none of them get it right).
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Thanks so much for updating this! You have put a lot of work into this and it's really appreciated!
Good point! thanks for noticing that - I will use that next time someone posts a Chinese Gender Predictor thread!! :) (I would not even HAVE GD if not for that fecking thing! :))Quote:
Originally Posted by sbowman
Yeah, I checked the Chinese predictor when I found out I was preg with DS lol
It clearly wasn't right for me it said GIRL, DS is proof it wasn't right. I'm ignoring it this time. I doubt ill even check when preg cause it wasn't right the first time.
true, most of the "weird" ones like that (including old wives tales) seem pretty close to the inverse
the ions one still surprises me, though, that's much higher than the inverse although of course could just be coincidence. But you'd think if it were only down to people trying everything resulting in stronger sways the OWT ones would be showing similar results
The prob. with the ions is that people have a wide level of compliance. One person may do EVERYTHING for ions and someone else may do one tiny thing but both people report it as being ions. Whereas you either have a wooden spoon under the bed, or you don't. Plus ions take some effort while anyone can stick a pink outfit under the bed or whatever. So I do think there could easily be something where people swaying more strictly were more likely to do ions (even if just in the form of a bracelet or lavender lotion).
There were plenty of ions opposites on IG with people doing far far more than anyone does on here. I mean they had magnets in their underwear, $500 ionizers, and all kinds of stuff. The blue swayers were burning incense and sleeping under electric blankets and still getting opposites. So that is one where I personally believe it's correlation and not causation. It seems very unlikely to me that if ions sway, that a person who uses a little lavender lotion or wore one single bracelet is gonna get the same results as someone who did everything under the sun, yet I would bet that's what most of the people who included ions (at least on this site) did. So when i see opposites with the "everything under the sun" people, successes with lavender lotion, and then people like Zanacal and I and the many IG blue sway opposites who actually were exposed to positive ions and got girls - it doesn't add up.
Of course doing a few little cheap things to include ions probably does not hurt anything but I don't want anyone to do like they did on IG and "up the ions" to make up for shortcomings in diets. :)
I did the magnet thing ... The shame ;-) xx
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AAA I'm sorry not meaning to call anyone out on it, whatever works! - but we gotta know what does work and if people are doing undie magnets and getting opposites, then there's just no way that using a little lavender lotion is getting high % successful sway numbers and it is likely a coincidence! :heart:
I wonder if the lavender is swaying not by ions but by hormones (of course no way of knowing this for sure), but I do think the results are much higher than we'd expect especially as it's easier to keep these things than drop them if swaying for several months. You'd think other things would be much lower too in that case (like lubes, etc) so it does seem to defy the change of people making sway-cuts. Ultimately I think they're fairly easy to do and easy to keep up so no harm in including them especially with results like that
sorry I can't remember the details of your sway, but I know Zana had a super-strong sway even without the ions!Quote:
Zanacal and I and the many IG blue sway opposites who actually were exposed to positive ions and got girls
And I'd never tell anyone otherwise, and in fact I include things like lavender lotion in the Custom Sway Plans for anyone who wants them.
But the problem is that it's not broken down in terms of lavender lotion vs. rose quartz vs. ionizers, so when people see in some statistics that "ions are swaying X amount" and I do not offer any explanation, then they begin to believe that ions in and of themselves are doing something. But based on the stuff I saw on IG where people doing way more ion stuff and were still getting opposites, that they are not. It's my job to point that out because I do not want to see people shelling out $500 for these things that I do not believe sway whatsoever. Lotion, bracelet, whatever, that's a tiny expense and does no harm. But some of the people were buying a ton of stuff (some people spent thousands) and using "ions" to justify doing lesser sways in other ways, and a lot of them got opposites.
ANYONE can smear some lotion on themselves or wear a bracelet, and then report that "I used ions". We have NO WAY to know on the basis of the stats, who did what and how strict they were. Lavender lotion, unlike jellies, etc do not inhibit conception and so people keep them in the mix even as they drop other things (i.e. peopel who have a long time on diet will drop everything but will still do ions). I think people who tend to be strict, put the ions in there and keep them in because they don't inhibit conception. And those are the same people who are stricter on diet and all the rest of it. There are a lot of people who don't really think swaying is going to work, and they are more relaxed overall and they don't tend to include ions. (and that is FINE, it is fine to leave them in, it is fine to keep them out, it is each individual's call to make). my point is that the people who are self-selected to include/exclude ions are not random groups to start with.
I sat on my computer all day long and in the car in heavy traffic 500 miles every weekend, and bathed in pos ions. Zana and her husband both put laptops in their laps which are supposed to be terrible for ions. Strict sway, no strict sway, there are gobs people out there who do the "wrong" things for ions, even blue IG swayers who were bathing in pos ions, and still get girls. One lady on IG who was a big ion person and actually went into business selling ion-related stuff for pink sways and did such a strict sway she didn't conceive for two years, got a boy opposite. It's just not my experience or opinion that ions sway, others have different opinions and that's why we have this site, so everyone can have the sways that they want. :)
Thank you again VERY much for your work on this, rainbowflower! It's such an incredible reference and tool...you're very much appreciated!!
I thought of something that might be nice to see, and if this is too much I totally understand...but I think it would be interesting to see sways by year...to see if we are getting more successful, you know? Or sways by month or by quarter...might also show if there's a trend for more success in some months/seasons versus others.
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We've def. seen a huge improvement in the numbers recently. :agree:
I'd hope it will improve, especially as now some things are seeming to sway more significantly than others
although I hope it doesn't improve just because those who get an opposite don't feel strong enough to post their sways on here... whereas the first 100 I added based on the results in the "Add your sway" section
At the same time though, even if it doesn't improve, we have consistently gotten in the 65% range and blue swayers have gotten 80% ish - so going from some of us who may hve been 80% likely to have boys to 65% likely to have girls, is HUGE. Swaying cannot and will not ever be 100 so I hope that people are not disappointed with 65 - I think an honest 65% where we are including everyone in the stats without cherry picking the numbers is fantastic. if we can consistently alter the gender ratio from 50-50, or in the case of those of us with 3-4-5 boys where our chances may be more like 60-40 or even worse, that's a really, really big deal.
While of course i will always strive to improve the sway, I don't want anyone to have false hope that swaying is just a breakthrough away from a sure thing, I just do not believe that to be the case and no magic bullets are forthcoming.
At the same time though, even if it doesn't improve, we have consistently gotten in the 65% range and blue swayers have gotten 80% ish - so going from some of us who may hve been 80% likely to have boys to 65% likely to have girls, is HUGE. Swaying cannot and will not ever be 100 so I hope that people are not disappointed with 65 - I think an honest 65% where we are including everyone in the stats without cherry picking the numbers is fantastic. if we can consistently alter the gender ratio from 50-50, or in the case of those of us with 3-4-5 boys where our chances may be more like 60-40 or even worse, that's a really, really big deal.
While of course i will always strive to improve the sway, I don't want anyone to have false hope that swaying is just a breakthrough away from a sure thing, I just do not believe that to be the case and no magic bullets are forthcoming.
I agree, I think 65% for women who are naturally blue swayers is a good result. I think the other forum was quoting 80% success or something like that (although I could never find the spreadsheet with this on it) but I find it hard to believe given the results we're seeing here and the poor success of the IG diet in our stats- perhaps people feel so criticised for getting an opposite that they don't post if they're having an opposite. Who knows.
BTW no blue swayers seem to be posting results on the spreadsheet and I haven't had to update it in ages as a result. Perhaps there have been no results to post... I don't check into there to see.
a few new fields... and the stats they're currently at
PCOS - (5 sways, 80% got girls) - I was surprised there weren't more actually, only 5 who mentioned PCOS in their "add your sway" section
RLT/peppermint tea (5 sways, 80%)
Olive leaf extract (5 sways, 100%)
cinnamon (2 sways, 100%)
also worth noting that the clomid stats have dropped quite a bit lately down to 75% following a little flurry of opposites... now 28 clomid sways in the spreadsheet.
Re the results on IG, they do not include anyone who doesn't include 5 of 7 sway "factors" so that immediately rules out everyone who isn't willing to be super duper strict. But at the same time I know they have included people who didn't do all the sway factors, when they had a successful sway. It's kinda like, anyone who hears pink is included no matter what, and if peopel didn't hear pink, they are not included in the numbers because that sway is so hard to enact that there is practically always some reason to leave them out. Plus, I am simply not buying that they can possibly be doing these kitchen sink sways when so many people on here are unable to get pg doing only a fraction of that stuff. I do know of at least three people who had successful sways and then tried to do it again and got opposites, but didn't post those results, not sure why.Quote:
Originally Posted by rainbowflower
I also have never been able to find the spreadsheet tallied up anwhere on IG. The only thing I've ever found was the odds for at home high tech and those were 50-50 for pink.
I'm sorry to hear that the blue swayers aren't posting, we actually have many fewer blue swayers so we may just not have had enough results yet. We have had 14 of 19 successes, 5 opposites posted publicly and then 2 more successful blue Custom plans who did not want to post for privacy reasons so we are getting good results with blue.
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Thank you!!!
Okay ladies, so maybe I'm reading the chart wrong and maybe this was already mentioned...but I have to be honest, I haven't gone through the 19 pages of this thread. I've gone through the last 2, sorry, at work. My question is on the inverse sheet, if I'm reading it correctly, it saying that cranberry/aspirin, rephresh and calcium/magnesium supps are doing better when included in the girl sway, than not? I thought the calcium magnesium supplements weren't doing well? I had taken them for a day and stopped them immediately in August b/c I was told that there wasn't any confidence in using them to get a girl. I apologize if I'm reading the sheet wrong. Can someone clarify for me so I know if I should start taking calcium/magnesium supplements?
Also, for the Rephresh, I assume it's getting great stats. If so, is it the Rephresh Gel that the ladies are using? I'm about to finish my period (on last day or so) and I wanted to start using it but not sure which to buy. I'm also awaiting to hear back about hubby's sperm count in the meantime. Would you advise me not to use Rephresh if they find a reduced sperm count? I probably won't have test results until next week and I probably am going to get a positive OPK around Christmas Eve. Thanks for everyone's help.
I have data from an actual scientific study done on women who were not swaying in any way, that show higher intake cal and mag = more boys conceived. That is worth much more than our stats which are tainted and muddled because people are all doing 7000 other things to sway. It is my opinion that calcium and magnesium sway blue, particularly when used with Vit. D, and I got my boy taking gobs of the stuff and my girl without it, as have tons of other people. Biologically the theory the cal-mag is based on is nonsensical and doesn't fit with the workings of the human body or even the history of the human race. It's ALWAYS your call to make on that but all I can do is give you my opinion and experience, never have I told anyone to take what I say as gospel without doing the research on their own and I have a plethora of essays on the topic, so sorry if you feel misled somehow.
Cranberry is not safe when you are TTC, it's not safe to start and stop it suddenly, and it also adds nutrients that may help sway blue. Aspirin is better because it can be taken till BFP then gradually weaned off. I ~personally~ don't think aspirin works by lowering CM pH, I think there's something else going on but I have tons of people taking it so not sure where the confusion lies there. Aspirin is not always compatible for various health conditions so not everyone can use it - but cranberry is actually worse than aspirin in that department.
I don't think RepHresh is getting good enough numbers to justify its existence and all the trouble it causes and I would NEVER EVER recommend that someone whose husband has low sperm count, use RepHresh anyway.
I have data from an actual scientific study done on women who were not swaying in any way, that show higher intake cal and mag = more boys conceived. That is worth much more than our stats which are tainted and muddled because people are all doing 7000 other things to sway. It is my opinion that calcium and magnesium sway blue, particularly when used with Vit. D, and I got my boy taking gobs of the stuff and my girl without it, as have tons of other people. Biologically the theory the cal-mag is based on is nonsensical and doesn't fit with the workings of the human body or even the history of the human race. It's ALWAYS your call to make on that but all I can do is give you my opinion and experience, never have I told anyone to take what I say as gospel without doing the research on their own and I have a plethora of essays on the topic, so sorry if you feel misled somehow.
Cranberry is not safe when you are TTC, it's not safe to start and stop it suddenly, and it also adds nutrients that may help sway blue. Aspirin is better because it can be taken till BFP then gradually weaned off. I ~personally~ don't think aspirin works by lowering CM pH, I think there's something else going on but I have tons of people taking it so not sure where the confusion lies there. Aspirin is not always compatible for various health conditions so not everyone can use it - but cranberry is actually worse than aspirin in that department.
I don't think RepHresh is getting good enough numbers to justify its existence and all the trouble it causes and I would NEVER EVER recommend that someone whose husband has low sperm count, use RepHresh anyway.
Thanks atomic for clarifying everything. I'm going to stick with not taking the calcium magnesium supplements especially bc I take vitamin d per dr request. I also won't bother with the rephresh. Appreciate you taking the time to go over the items with me.
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Sorry I was right in the middle of cooking an elaborate dinner last night and didn't have time to post these:
Numbers on RepHresh (please note, the sample size is smaller than a lot of the other tactics illustrating part of the trouble with RepHresh - it does lower odds of conception considerably)
RepHresh/Replens
total sways including it: 79
total success: 51
total success %: 64.56%
Inverse success: 62.63%
(the inverse being very close to the success rate couples with how many people had to drop in order to become pregnant makes me believe that RepHresh is not getting the results to justify the trouble it causes)
And my Calcium Conundrum essays:
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/tryi...roversial.html
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-...-part-2-a.html
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/sway...cting-fgd.html
I'm so excited to see how successful OLE has been for DH's! I have my DH taking 2 tablespoons a day (he hates it!!!). Atomic- what are your thoughts on cinnamon? Should we consider taking it as part of our sway?
I think that people who have PCOS/IR may want to consider it but I don't think the average person needs to (and it may lower blood sugar TOO far and so if a person were on Crash and Burn style of LE, they may get lightheaded and have trouble sticking to the diet). I don't have results for gender ratio (I don't like having people use things that I haven't seen people getting their DG's on) and plus I do not have any confidence in safety when using it for TTC. Thus it is not something I currently recommend very often.
If you do want to give it a try, no more than 1/4 tsp. It is probably safe in that level of intake and it works to lower blood sugar even at that small an amount.
I thought people take cinnamon to raise ph and to increase overall health?
That may have been at one time (I know Tamara claimed it sways blue) but it lowers blood sugar substantially, and since lower blood sugar levels does have some good science behind it, I've been occasionally using it for pink swayers with PCOS/IR. Not much because I just don't have the evidence at the level I like to have before recommending something come into widespread use, but for peopel who really are having a hard time controlling their blood sugar.
I think the recommended dosage of OLE was 2 TEAspoons a day? that's what babydoctor recommended anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Mrsandmama
different formulations require diff. doses but yes def doulbecheckQuote:
Originally Posted by rainbowflower
How often do they stats get updated? I know its v hard to keep up ladies so it was just me wondering xx
My hubby is on Barleans OLE. The normal dosage is 1 tablespoon a day but he increased it to 2 tablespoons a day. Another successful swayer had her hubby on the same stuff with the same dosage. I figured why not!
The current stats I believe were updated in October. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsM17