Stats updated. Only 3 new sways since last month.
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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I'm really busy right now, but I can see about removing the red raspberry stats after the end of school if that would make things easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I would love to have it out of there. Only 3 people used it that I know of and all of them had been TTC for over a year (which really, really skews the results) Thanks!!
I wonder why licorice root for dh is getting such bad results? I'm nervous now in 2ww .Should we drop this if I don't get my bfp this month ?
I was thinking of having DH drop licorice root too and switch to olive leaf extract.
I believe it is a statistical quirk because the first few years of the site it got good results (70% range). And since this number, the 70% or so, was back in the day before we understood time on diet and one attempt mattered, I believe this to be a legitimate finding that has since been clouded/obscured by the success of other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mommykisses
To elaborate, since most people who use it are young and highly fertile, and those who conceive while using it have got pregnant quickly (since we drop it after a few months) this skews the stats since those people are also the more set for boys and this also translates with the least amount of time on diet, with a substantial minority % of the LR users getting pregnant with less than 12 weeks on diet. So it ends up being that the responders who got pregnant while using LR were already the most likely to conceive boys, and the responders who got pregnant not using LR were already the most likely to conceive girls.
This is actually the reverse of what has happened with OLE - I DO NOT yet believe that OLE is very effective and I think the stats on that are misleadingly high but since the people who use OLE are coming in the most set for pink (since I only tend to use that for older couples and men with sperm health issues, giving all others cranberry) I strongly suspect OLE is made to look far more effective than it really is.
I am using LR less and less since I can't totally trust in it the way I once did, but since those early results (not to mention what I observed back on IG, where it is also widely used) and also biologically in accordance with swaying theories all line up with LR swaying pink, I am not ready to ditch it. No one needs to use it if they don't want but a 27 year old dude with super sperm - I believe LR may help in that scenario, even if it isn't glaringly obvious from our numbers. not giving it up yet.
But OLE is NOT a sub for LR. They are two different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megan B
If you drop LR, go to peppermint tea for him.
OLE is a replacement for cranberry.
Do not use both LR and pep tea.
Do not use both OLE and cranberry.
YOu can add soy milk/food onto either combination and it may add something.
Thank you for the advice. My husband will be 35 next month so he may not need LR anyway. It took us 5 months to get pregnant with DS.
Just follow your gut. I promise that humans got and get baby girls every day without LR so if the spirit is not moving you, it is absolutely fine to skip it. :)
Only two things I believe to be proven for DH - smoking and jogging or biking.
Well he just started jogging again... and he occasionally smokes cigars! Hopefully it will help! Thanks for everything you do, and that this website is doing!!
You're welcome, it is my pleasure!
The only thing my husband did for our sway (deliberately) was start smoking a pipe! He didn't even do it that often and of course I did other things, but we did get a girl.
Stats are updated.
First cycle after MC.
What does it mean?
First egg (before first AF) or just first AF and then egg= so second egg?
Kind of both, really. Technically we treat it as catching the first egg after a loss, but many times that egg is not catchable or people don't ovulate at all so we have expanded to include the second egg as well.
Removed the stats for RRL alone, although the original combined RRL/Peppermint/Spearmint stats are still there. I can remove those as well if needed and leave just the newer, peppermint/spearmint only stat. I also removed the RRL question from the input form.
I think I've also finally copied over all the sways that were added to the old sheet but not the new one. Those will show up in the next stats update.
Thank you!!
Stats updated
Thanks so much!
Raspberry or peppermint tea has crazy good results? Wish I would have added that into my sway...
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what is 1 + j+d??
It's jump and dump after BDing.
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NO IT DOESN"T.Quote:
Originally Posted by Debahlgrim
I am going to delete that right now. It is some sort of weird error that was inherited from the previous spreadsheet.
Look directly below that and you will see that pep tea has been disappointing.
EVERY known theory of swaying has RRLT down as swaying blue. I have used it less than 5 times, all in people who had gone on swaying for over a year not getting pregnant and most of whom were on Clomid or Femara. So I don't even know where all those people who supposedly drank that are even coming from since I do not and never have recommended that.
One attempt plus jump and dump either immediately or within 5 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by butterfly8
in the interest of full disclosure I want to document that I just deleted this statistic which is NOT ACCURATE and I believe is coming from some error in the previous spreadsheet.
RASPBERRY &/or PEPPERMINT TEA
Total sways: 59
Total success: 57
Success %: 96.61%
Inverse success %: 0
I have not ever and will not ever (unless someone hands me a study proving it) recommended RRLT for a pink sway. I have NO clue why this was ever in the stats, or why it was ever written down this way (RRLT OR peppermint?? that was not ever even a choice, they don't do the same things or even remotely close!!!)
Every theory of swaying indicates that RRLT should sway BLUE, not pink, and since we know that peppermint tea is only middle of the road effective based on our other results (still there on the main page to compare to) and since I don't even recommend RRLT for pink swayers, having only used it less than 5 times all in people who had gone on for a year or more not getting pregnant (at least one of whom I know got a boy), then there is absolutely completely and totally NO way that this statistic is real and it's some weird error in our previous spreadsheet (there were several mistakes that crept into that spreadsheet over time, which is why blueeyedguys was kind enough to make us a new one)
Additionally, there simply are NO sway tactics that effective. It makes NO LOGICAL SENSE that any tea would be 96% effective when not even Clomid or Femara are. Please apply common sense to things in swaying that are too good to be true because they usually are. TRust me, if I ever saw anything that I truly believed was 96% effective I would be screaming it at you all till I was blue in the face and not letting anyone sway without them. I pay very close attention to these stats and unlike everyone else, I've been here monitoring them month after month after month, watching the trends, watching the success rates rise and fall over time, I know all the origin stories of when they appeared and why. So please believe me when I say, I do NOT recommend RRLT for pink swayers at this point in time and this statistic is not based in any kind of reality on this site since no one is even using it.
Is it possible that there is a mistake in the stats for caffein as well? The total number for some and lots is 173 (the numbers for total and success seem to be flipped I guess?), but the individual numbers for some (121) and lots (21) add up to 141?
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Could someone please remove my sway from the statistics?
I'll ask about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verena
It's an artifact of changing the spreadsheet. Once upon a time, the spreadsheet didn't have an option for amount of caffeine, just yes or no. I went back through all the old sways on the site I could find to try to determine whether the "yes" replies would fit into 'Some' or 'Lots'. The difference between the 2 numbers (141 & 173) is the number of sways I couldn't get enough information to determine any thing more than they had caffeine. So, not a mistake, just not enough information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verena
The combined tea stat is another older stat which I went back through older sways to try to separate out & couldn't find any more info than the swayer drank tea. I suspect that's why it's artificially high, I believe I removed all the sways that actually included the kind of tea into their own stats, leaving only ones with no info. I can delete it from the totals list as it's confusing people.
Wow, that makes sense. I didn't know it was that complicated. Thanks for explaining! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by blueeyedguys
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Yes it's really very challenging to keep them straight - thanks so much to blue eyed guys for having done this for us!
Could I just ask... if you ignore the J&D stats (I'm not doing J&D anymore anyway).. there seems to be minimal difference between having 1 attempt (66% success) and 2 attempts (64% success).
Am I missing something here? Perhaps diet sways more strongly than number of attempts?
Can someone help me add my sway. I Ve searched and searched and filled out something but not sure if I did it right. I've been swaying for a year and finally am pregnant and found out I'm having a girl from the nipt test. I feel like I owe it to this community to share my statistics. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
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Congratulations! I'm not very technical but I'm sure someone else can send link- really want to read your sway! Great news x
As more people do sway tactics, the differences between them sometimes get lost in the shuffle. People come onto the site and hear "oo one attempt" and so do nothing else BUT that and then yes, of course, our statistics drop. This does not erase the history of what has happened on the site in the past. Luckily, I happen to know that history since I have been here all along and thus my recommendations (not to toot my own horn or anything LOL) are very, very much more reliable than any month in isolation's stat results.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkfairydust
Just to shed some light on this, what you cannot see is what originally happened that allowed us to see one attempt swayed hugely. Originally, none of us even guessed that number of attempts possibly swayed. So I was having people do frequency, timing, pH stuff, etc and then adding attempts to get pregnant. This was by far and away the worst results of the site. 58%. And this included people who were doing absolutely GREAT on diet for 12+ weeks (even though we didn't know that at that point either!) And I could see in the stats, a very strong trend where those who had had 3 attempts were in the 40% range, this rose to 60% with 2 attempts, the results for one attempt were 70-75%. And all the other things, the pH, timing, frequency, etc were disappointingly low. There was no other way to interpret the results other than one attempt was swaying.
Even though I honestly did not believe it, I immediately changed course. I had people do one attempt and dropped all the other stuff and our results went up and have stayed up ever since. Because of this, I am pretty sold on one attempt. Now, like I mentioned before, whenever there is an easy to do "magic bullet" kind of thing, OF COURSE the results go down because all these people who don't want to do diet and don't want to exercise will come along and start doing it, but that doesn't change what I have seen with my own two eyes - one attempt does something. I don't know what, I don't know why or how, but I believe in it.
NOw all that being said, 2 attempts always did get way better than 3! And if you need to do two to get pregnant, hey, lots of people have gotten girls that way - 60-65% with diet and exercise. But don't have 3 unless you have literally tried everything else first.
If the "data entry" one didn't work, try filling this one out and then I'll update it for you manually to show gender. This is the one for before you know gender, but it only takes me a minute to update it.
https://genderdreaming.com/forum/add...ow-gender.html
Was it this, Hopefull? https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...rzlhw/viewformQuote:
Originally Posted by Hopefullmummy
Yes ! Did that few days ago :)Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
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Ok then I suspect it will show up soon. Sometimes things have to be manually approved and I do nothing technical on the site, so I do not know how it even works (I should, but I basically just show up like everyone else and answer questions!) It is back to school time here and I know both of us are really slammed this month. :) Thanks so much for sharing your info and for patience.
Or you can fill this one out instead and I will manually update the genderQuote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Stats updated.
Atomic, you should have a pm from me from a few weeks ago you said you'd reply to. Sorry to bug you, but I was worried it got buried.
Thank you. I'll reply today.