February 2WW

Taytum- oh you poor thing! Have you talked to yourDr. about your cycle length?? I really hope you O soon or have Od.

Maiden- There are lots of books I like which most definitely would be considered low brow or YA. I hope I didn't give the impression that I thought the books you suggested were bad. I can't relate when the protagonist likes multiple people or when they don't tell someone how they feel but many people can read those stories without having to relate to the protagonist. I think it is just a personal issue. I'm at the gym now with the kiddos but I'll check out your other suggestion when I get home. If you haven't read the Sabriel series by Garth Nix or Poison Study series by Maria Synder(although really only the first one is good) I can recommend them. I also read a book "California Bones" by Greg Eekhout this summer which I loved very fast paced and fun and a take on magic I hadn't seen before.

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Grace- Yay! I really hope you caught the egg with a pink sperm!! FX for you!

Junie- I sure hope you O soon!

TaytumJ- you poor thing! I would do the same thing and need to see a new chart with cycles that long. Have you notified your doctor of this? FX you O soon!

AFM- DS2 weaned himself yesterday. He didn't ask and I didn't offer. We made it to 20 months (I could have gone longer), which is how long I BFed DS1. Acupuncture is totally helping AF. I haven't had a period like this since I had my boys! It's a welcome change!

Ladies waiting to test, I am hoping beyond hope that you get your BFPs this cycle! For my mental health, I need to see more [emoji3]!



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I went and edited my post to add more but then my stupid tablet crashed, argh! I was not offended at all I know just what you mean, Junie. There are certain tropes I just can't stand either. So just ignore my polyamory suggestions below! My issue is indecisive characters who are so self-unaware they can't see whom they should choose, but multiple love interests don't inherently bother me.

Here is what I was able to recover:

My recs are all at least 4/5 stars (out of 2000 books on goodreads, I think I have 30 x 5 stars, maybe 70 x 4 stars? Most books get 2-3 stars and I give 1 stars, too). I am a super harsh rater and picky (I prefer 'discriminating') should be my first name! But I'm trying to think of books that are long AND good AND you can't put them down, not necessarily my fave books ever.

The Night Huntress books by Jeaniene Frost with Cat & Bones are fantastic PNR, with a couple that stays together (also my preference). The Golden Compass/His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman is the height of YA fantasy. The Merry Gentry series by Laurell K Hamilton, PNR, it has polyamory and lots of sex, and I LOVE the characters. Two of my top 10 favourite books of all time are The Diamond Age and Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson. His Cryptonomicon is also fantastic and very long (> 1000 pages). All his stuff is SF. Kushiel's Dart etc (there are 3 trilogies set in the same fantasy world and each book is around1000 pages!) by Jacqueline Carey are wonderful romantic fantasy with political intrigue.

The Thirst/Last Vampire series by Christopher Pike are my #1 favourite books, YA urban fantasy. Graceling by Kristin Cashore is 5 star fantasy plus romance, and I'm reading the 3rd book in the same world currently. Frank Herbert's Dune series (all 6 books) are awesome SF. If you like vampires, they have been my literary obsession for the past 20 years so I can give many recs there. Oh, and nearly all my suggestions are completed series, not still in progress.

I assume you've read Harry Potter? I loved the Sabriel series and the Poison Study books are on my to-read list! I have not heard of Califotnia Bones but will look it up. We read mostly the same genres, though I do read historical romance and historical fiction/classics now and then.

XX, congrats on 20 months BFing, that's amazing! Are you sure it's the acupuncture and not reduced BFing/weaning that's responsible for your normalized AF?

I am still not sure if I've Oed, so maybe I still have a shot this month. I've had SO much EWCM and O pain this cycle, maybe due to the Soy?

Maiden- It could be a combination of reduced BFing and the acupuncture, since I had been BFing DS2 once a day for a cycle and a half. Hard to really say! It took 2 cycles for them to get back on track after weaning DS1 though. DS1 weaned himself suddenly at 20 months when I was still BFing him 2-3 times a day. Maybe that had something to do with it taking 2 cycles before conceiving DS2. Who knows! I'm just glad that I was able to BF DS2 just as long as DS1 while swaying for part of it!


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I hope all you ladies waiting to O do soon! I can't wait to see some more BFPs!


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Junie & XX - so hoping I get more signs that this was O. Maybe I just want it so badly that I'm pushing it. I went to my general doctor at the beginning of January about it, since I hadn't O'ed or had a period since beginning of Oct. She didn't seem that concerned, just said it was me coming off BC (fair enough). I had an U/S done and they said everything looks fine - one larger cyst on my left ovary, but again, didn't seem concerned. I made an appt though with an actual OBGYN this month to get better answers. Hopefully something good comes of it! Thanks so much for your well wishes and support! I'd just like to at least have some hope of TTC (so I definitely can relate to you there, Junie!)

Also, I love YA series! I teach 7th and 8th grade LA, and right now the students are really in the Fallen series. I've only read the first book (it was good, but definitely more YA). I'm assuming you've read the Divergent series? I'm finishing my Master's this semester so it seems like I've only been reading counseling curriculum books but I'll be following along for any new books to pick up as well!


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Hi gals :) popping in to introduce myself. I have 2 boys (5&7) and just had my iud removed last month after my hubby surprised me with wanting to try for a third. We would love a girl, but mostly are thrilled to add another soul to our family regardless of flavor. I am swaying lightly, skipping breakfast, cardio 70+minutes 6 days a week, taking fiber, and choosing less nutritious food overall. We're aiming for 1 attempt in the fertile window, so probably tomorrow or Monday. I'm not temping, but did buy my first ever OPKs yesterday and will use those to help determine O - even though my cycles are pretty regular and EWCM is a great clue for me.

My most recent pregnancy was a surrogacy, which resulted in a beautiful baby boy in October of 2013. It was a beautiful experience, and learning all about IVF was really neat. For some reason I'm nervous about conceiving naturally after IVF, but I know it's unfounded worry. Lots of my surro friends have gone on to conceive just fine, and there is no indication it will be any different for me.

I'm happy to hang here and get to know all of you!

Welcome Vegmom! Your sway sounds great! You are such an amazing, giving person! I'm sure you'll have no problem conceiving, since you're not doing a ton of extraneous stuff that really doesn't sway and reduces conception. FX you get a BFP soon!


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Taytum, Divergent is on my to-read list. Who is the author of the Fallen series? Sounds familiar. And what exactly is LA? What is your Master's in?

Vegmom, I agree, your sway sounds good and surrogacy is an incredible gift. I highly doubt your experience will have any negative effects. If anything being recently pregnant could help your pink sway. If I actually O or did, sounds like we may be in the TWW together this month.

Maiden- I'm so excited to check these books out! Thank you! I've read a few and loved them like Dune (although admittedly not all of the series), His Dark Materials,etc. I also have Snow Crash on my kindle and have wanted to start it for awhile. So I am excited to have lots of books to read. I normally read a few books parallel and go through phases where I only want to read a certain genre or author and then read lots of it and then need to take a break. I don't know if you have ever seen the movie Howl's Moving Castle? But the author of that (Dianna Wynne Jones) has written so many books and they are like candy. So easy to read, so many interesting ideas, I love them- although she has quite a few different styles and there are a few of hers which haven't been my taste.

Looking back on past charts I think it is possible you haven't O'd yet so hopefully the timing all works out!

Taytum- Definitely talk to your OBGYN. Yes of course our bodies need some time to regulate but when you are TTC you don't need to waste months waiting for AF. The general rule is if your cycle lasts 90 days to head to the Dr. and they can prescribe Provera and get AF going. Normally that helps to regulate the next cycle and if it doesn't hopefully your OBGYN has some good ideas to help. I conceived my first son on CD41 so I can relate to long cycles but at the same time you need to know your are Oing and do it more than twice a year to get pregnant in the first place :)

I read Divergent but felt like some aspects were so unrealistic. This is my main problem with YA fantasy/sci-fi- the bad science/fuzzy details/etc. I read the first one quite awhile ago but I remember thinking that the population size just did not make sense and with the weird factions that they all would have died out. But I had would have to go back and look at it again to really remember all the things I disliked about it. But sometimes grown up fantasy or sci-fi gets so bogged down with the details that it isn't fun for me anymore. I like to find a nice balance between the two. Awesome that you are finishing up your Master's- exciting!!


VegMom- Hi and welcome!!!I think it is awesome that you were a surrogate! Your sway also sounds great! I also have 2 boys 2 1/2 and almost 5 and swayed for about 5 months before TTC for a girl (LE diet, 60 min cardio 5-6 times a week,no breakfast, no meat, BD every 4 days) and got pregnant in November unfortunately we had a miscarriage at 12 weeks with a D&C on jan 15th and now I am back to TTC. I'm hoping to catch the first egg before AF comes (with my Dr.'s approval ultrasound showed that my lining,etc is all back to normal) but my Husband just left for a week long ski trip so if I don't O soon. I'm out this cycle. At this point I'm not doing much to sway as I just want to get pregnant! I'm skipping breakfast, eating less, have just re-started cardio but I am occasionally eating meat or fish and I'm not counting calories so I am sure there are some days I am going over protein levels or fats.

XX- I really wonder if you are just one of those women who can't get pregnant until they stop nursing? I'm very excited to see what the next cycle brings for you- especially as your charts have been so perfect!

Who will be testing next week? I really hope Valentine's Day will bring this group a lovely BFP! [emoji175]


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I am having chocolate regardless;)


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Perfect timing with DH being out of town- DS2 threw up a ton tonight before bed and has already woken 3 times tonight crying. Gosh I hope I get at least a few hrs of sleep. I ordered a menstrual cup today since I think I am out this cycle. At least I will have the cup to try instead of tampons. I've heard such good things and I am actually really excited about it.

I have a love/hate relationship with my menstrual cup. It was love/love until my last birth, but I had some prolapse issues & when my cycle came back, it was a lot heavier. So now, it works great during the day, except I have to empty 4x/day for the heaviest days, but unless I get it perfect, it doesn't catch most of it at night. It's still awesome when my cycle gets lighter though.

I'm sorry for everyone who is out this cycle. Fingers crossed for everyone waiting that they get a BFP.

The husbands always leave at the worst times. Hope your little guy feels better soon!


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I liked my menstrual cup but only when I was home- it's not something you want to be dealing with while at work. I loved it at night. I didn't have a leaking problem so being free from pads at night was heaven.


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Maiden- Lauren Kate writes the Fallen series. It's really good if you like sci-fi/Angels/demons. I just ordered Passion. LA= language arts so I teach reading and writing to 7th and 8th graders. I absolutely love my job - I have the best group of kids! I'm finishing my Master's in Counseling with a specialization in school counseling. So looking at mental health and focusing on mindfulness.

I'll keep everyone updated on my OBGYN appt. I was hoping my body would do it on its own but I'd love to just know that I'm at least O'ing. I'll also keep an eye on my temps the next few days too.


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I had a temp drop this morning. I had to get up a few times with sick DS2 but I did get a good chunk of sleep from midnight to 6ish so I think my temp is still valid. Either it goes way up tomorrow or I have a pity party and drink a bottle of wine with AF LOL.

2boys- I'm a SAHM so changing it shouldn't be an issue. I can understand not wanting to deal with that at work!

blueeyedguys- Have you considered trying a different cup? I've read that some women need to change to a larger or different style (shape/hardness/etc) after pregnancy for exactly the reasons you stated.

Taytum- What you want to do sounds like a great fit for you. I mean you choose and enjoy spending time with middle schoolers :D I loved lit in high school I'm sure you would have been one of my favorite teachers.

I hope everyone's cycles do just what they should and that we get lots and lots of BFPs this Feb!

Fingers crossed for you Junie!


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Maiden, you know so much! Can you tell me more about how sperm capacitate or share a link? I've never heard of that. I know it can take several to break through the egg. Is that what the word "capacitate" means? It looks like you o'ed and we're 2ww buddies! Grace, did you o?

Junie, more *hugs*! You can vent and complain all you want. That's why I'm here, to give and recieve support you just don't get in face to face life. I love this group! I tried the Diva Cup. It was so great at night, the best sleep I've ever had during af, but I had problems with it during the day. I had trouble peeing with it in, like I needed to go but couldn't. Finally after a couple of cycles it fell in the toilet once while I was trying to pee, lol!

Xx, congrats on the weaning and making it so long! I'm sure your cycles will even out now. It sounds like they are. I haven't noticed much difference since we weaned in Dec., but it was so slow and gradual for us that I wouldn't expect to see a big difference. Unless I finally get a bfp! That would be a great difference, lol!

Books: I recently read "The Wind Boy", which is YA. It's old, but it really makes you think. Like there's this parallel world the children can cross into. It's not as good as some more modern books about really tieing up the loose ends and explaining things, but I like a little left to ponder over, and some of the images and scenes were so lovely. Highly recommend! I found it an easy read and very enjoyable, like hard to put down.

Welcome, vegmom! I'm swaying blue. Any advice on what you think swayed blue for you? I had Lyme with my dd, not a sway tactic I recommend, but it lines up with the LE theory.

TaytumJ, hooray for crosshairs! FX you have a good length lp.

My update: I had o pains (rare for me!) yesterday evening and that was the forecasted day for o based on past cycles, so I'm thinking that was it. I don't know what caused the temp rise the other day since I had a good night's sleep. Maybe I released 2 eggs since you've been talking about the hyper o cycles? lol, the power of suggestion? Dd has been sleeping much better this week. I think our eczema tactics are finally working. She still looks terrible, but at least she's no longer waking up several times a night.

Maiden- Your chart looks great. It looks like your timing was spot on now :)

2boys- Thank you! When are you going to test?

Sage- I also think you O'd! Good job on all the BDing:) I hope this is your BFP cycle!

I feel I've made the right call BDing Friday night. Today (Sunday) I've had ovulation signs- super fertile cm and high cp. I go by these physical signs to tell when I o, cause opks don't work for me, I only get faint lines and never true positives, even the month I ended up getting BFP. And I can't temp cause I always wake up at night with the kids. Anyway, knowing my body might be working it's magic right now is so exciting!!! Glad I have you ladies to share these feelings with xoxo

That is awesome Grace!

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I am only 6-7 dpo. I had some pretty unique "cramps" two days ago and since have had nothing. I also notice a lot of milky cm- I feel very off- but I am crazy analyzer so this all can very well mean nothing!
My last pregnancy I got a BFP at 11dpo. So depending how I feel- I will likely wait til feb 12.


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Keeping my fingers crossed for you 2boys!!

2boys- That all sounds so promising, I can't wait for you to test.

I feel so weird. My boobs hurting has never been a symptom for me for anything- not pregnancy/AF/etc but they've been so uncomfortable for the past week itchy and tingly and just noticeable. Now I've also been having cramping and I just wish I could know what is going on. If this is how my body leads up to AF after a miscarriage I really hope everything is more normal next cycle!

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Junie- I felt the same after my mc. My boobs were sore and sensitive and BF was painful.

How long did it last for you Grace?

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It began three weeks after my mc and lasted almost two weeks. When it stopped pre-AF spotting appeared. I think it has to do something with hormonal imbalance after mc. But it could still be early pregnancy symptoms for you, couldn't it?

Grace that is just my timing! Thanks:) Even when you logically know it must be something it is always nice to hear from someone who had the same experience!

Even with charting it isn't clear if I Od yet- probably not so no way it could be early pregnancy symptoms unfortunately. I'm just going to keep temping and see what happens.

Grace, I hear you on the hard to read opks! I've heard of some ladies temping right before bed and being able to see the shift. Personally, I was afraid my temping would be off with bfing dd and getting up to change her at night, not to mention morning when I wake up early and can't fall asleep again, but after watching for awhile, I learned it doesn't affect me. Everyone is different and some ladies are more sensitive, but for me the only thing that really messes it up is if I pee at night. You won't know if you can see a pattern or not unless you try. And you can use your other signs to confirm and see if the temps are right! That's my tactic: I do the opks and check cm as a back-up incase my temp does get messed up.

Is anybody else due to test this week???


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I'll be stalking 2boys! I am Xing everything and [emoji120]you get a healthy, sticky, pink BFP!![emoji178]


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I'm excited to see those who are testing! I never knew what a "process" this was until I started down the TTC journey (and my journey isn't even that long!). I just bought some of the cheapie OPKs, hoping that I'll be able to read them or at least get a positive out of them!

I'm starting to lose faith that I actually O'ed. Today would be 7DPO, but I dipped back down about .2 again. :( I have some right ovary sensations though, not really cramps, but weird feeling. I didn't temp yesterday because we drank a little Saturday night so I knew it was pointless to get up and test. Such an emotional roller coaster!

TaytumJ- maybe you are gearing up to O. I am hoping you still have a shot! FX!


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Taytum- drinking doesn't really change my temps... I have to be pretty drunk and then my temps tend to be a smidge higher but normally because I had to get up in the night to pee. So I would still temp if you don't hate temping. Plus even after you O your temps can still do crazy things just check out the chart gallery on FF for some examples :)

I think AF must be coming really soon for me based off of all of my symptoms but I guess that is a good thing to have a fresh start and a chance at good timing.

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Taytum- drinking doesn't really change my temps... I have to be pretty drunk and then my temps tend to be a smidge higher but normally because I had to get up in the night to pee. So I would still temp if you don't hate temping. Plus even after you O your temps can still do crazy things just check out the chart gallery on FF for some examples :)

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Really? It seems like even if I don't drink too much (I'm a lightweight anyway) I will almost always have a high temp in the low 98s. I'll have to try it again next time (or just give up drinking all together!).

I was also thinking maybe gearing back up for O with the right ovary pains today. They are more sharp where earlier this month it was more like a cramp, if that makes sense? Maybe the cramps earlier in the month were like a pseudo period since I haven't had one yet?? BBs are sore today though, which didn't happen earlier when I thought O. I don't really feel much CM though. So that's why I'm just confused. Ugh. This appointment to my OBGYN cannot come soon enough.

Junie - could it be pregnancy signs instead of AF signs? A girl I know did Clomid this round and she's feeling some AF signs, but doctor said her progesterone was higher than previous cycles, so he gave her an indication that there was a high possibility she was in fact pregnant. FX for you!

2Boys - I hope you get our BFP!! I love seeing them - especially all of you awesome ladies who deserve them!