multiple positive OPKs - TMI warning!

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Originally Posted by fresas

I follow you.

What is weird is that without orgasm, my pH was higher than with one.

Both of these experiences were with repHresh used about 12 hours apart.

I have to avoid Sylk. I don't think it helps with my pH at all. I used Sylk and repHresh with the no orgasm experience and my pH was 7.

I will avoid orgasms, but strangely, I think the Sylk has been behind an unusually high pH both times I have used it so far. My pH is high even after using repHresh when I use Sylk so I don't think I can use Sylk at all.

Plus, when it comes to pH, I'm not sure I can do the LE diet. I'm trying to figure out other ways I can keep my pH low, although it is typically pretty low vaginally.

I'm still reading about it, but it looks less and less like I can the LE diet because while it may decrease my pH, it is going to increase my testosterone because I have PCOS and PCOS does not respond well with refined carbs, low nutrient foods. These increase bad testosterone and cause insulin issues which also cause an increase in bad testosterone.

It is not a good situation for swaying girl for me. :( I'm kind of lost right now.

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I know I've posted this before but maybe you haven't seen it??
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-...ar-issues.html

You don't HAVE to eat refined carbs and empty calories on the LE diet. That's just what some people CHOOSE to do or need to do if they lose too much weight too quickly, and I think that for the average person it is the best sway simply because it cuts back on nutrients just a hair more. It is NOT make or break in any way tho. All you have to do is 1500-1800 cals, 40-50 g protein (for you, that would be 50-60), 20-30% cals from fat, while skipping breakfast, not snacking, and losing a bit of weight. That's ALL.

The low nutrients come not from forcefeeding yourself empty calories, but from not taking vitamins and cutting back on calories all together. After that, you can pretty much have leeway. I mention grains as a backbone of the diet, but your backbone is like this tiny fraction of your body. If you ate a couple RyKrisp with lunch and a 1/2 c of brown rice with dinner, that's fine, that's all you need to do and you don't even need to do that if you don't want to. I WANT people to eat vegetables and lately it seems like I am writing a long diatribe about it every hour the last couple days LOL. ;) That is why when I make diets, I come up short on protein while everyone else is getting too much, because I focus on vegetables and other people are scared of them - but you don't have to fear the veggies.

Veggies are lower nutrient than grain foods, dairy, and meat! Veggies ARE the quintessential low nutrient food. Low nutrient does not mean NO nutrient. Green vegetables are MUCH lower in nutrients than breads and pastas which are packed with calories, protein, and vitamin fortified!!!! Green vegetables are awesome and they are extra awesome if you have PCOS or other blood sugar issues because they don't make your BS go thru the roof.

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Originally Posted by fresas

My FF chart has me ovulation 3 days ago, but my CP and CM did not seem fertile at all. It seemed fertile CD 11-ish. I'm so confused!

3b1972 Ovulation charts on FertilityFriend.com

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I have noticed that I often dry up before I ovulate. Some months I have nothing for a couple days before I O.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly Spirit

Hi, I've heard that female orgasm is a BIG No No when swaying for pink. Shettles said it first. and I believe there is truth to it. multiple orgasms got me my two sons. So avoid them entirely if you can.

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If that was true, there would be no failed blue sways becasue they all try to have at least one and usually more than one.

It is highly unlikely that all the 3.5 billion women on the face of the planet were all conceived without female O and then all the 3.5 billion men were conceived with them. We've done polls on this and there are girls conceived with orgasm, boys conceived without orgasm. There is a mild tendency that women who have regular Os have more sons but it is so far from 100% that it may as well be "ions".

I know for a fact I did not O with DS1 - not sure about the rest. Sometimes I had them, sometimes I didn't. What I did do was eat a boy-friendly diet and have a boy-friendly personality and have a lot of CM, and my DH has a very high sex drive and prob a lot of T himself. We also BD every couple days in perfect boy frequency for max sperm numbers.

None of these little "window dressing" things like BD in a certain position or having a female O, can possibly be make or break - if diet sways for real, biological reasons (as in, boys need more calories from the moment of conception on throughout pg and life so when you ahve a lot of calories, you're more likely to conceive a boy because that's the circumstance a boy will best survive in) then it doesn't make any sense that God/Mother Nature would toss that out the window on the basis of something as arbitrary as whether you had an orgasm or not. If a boy did not have enough calories to survive, it would be silly for our bodies to suddenly up and conceive them based on presence or absence of female O.

Way way more likely is that women who have regular O's have higher T levels to begin with, naturally or as a result of diet or both, and it's the higher T levels that then sway. Coincidence.

Thanks so much for your input, ladies.

I am probably just going to increase major aspertame and Splenda where I can and try to do vegetarian proteins instead of animal proteins. I tend to skip breakfast already or if I have breakfast, I usually have an egg with beans (so boy-ish!), but that's the PCOS way unfortunately. :(

I also tend to stay around 1300 calories a day, plus lots of cardio and Pilates. I have a really hard time losing weight. I'm not overweight, but could definitely lose about 10 lbs. The testosterone just loves to keep the weight on and the way it affects insulin/blood sugar just loves to make it difficult to lose weight. My BMI is 20.

I'm going to do some serious thinking and planning. I'm not stressed, surprisingly, just a little bit disappointed that my diet is probably not going to help as much as I want it to.

My temperature was super high this morning (99 F or 37.2 C). Crazy. I got my OPKs today and just tested. It was negative which I expected. It would be crazy if I ovulated when my chart says I did because my CP was not in its normal fertile state at that point, but anything is possible, especially with PCOS. :)

I will keep you ladies updated! Thanks again for all of your support. It helps to talk about the ideas and strategies.

I have had multiple O's with every one of my girls....I can't help myself lol

LOL! I love it!

I just got a + HPT.

I'm freaking out.

This was not an official sway at all. DH didn't take any girl friendly supplements. At all. Plus, I have continued to take my PCOS herbs and potions this whole time.

Oh my gosh. What do I do?!

I'm going to write this all down even though I'm still a week away from expected AF.

Just some quick background. I have PCOS and have had 2 high risk pregnancies. This pregnancy will be interesting. I'm hoping first for a healthy baby, of course, but we also would like a girl. This was not an intentional sway. DH was going to stop drinking green tea and taking fish oil plus add licorice root, but this didn't happen since we weren't officially swaying. We were just practicing.


USERNAME: fresas
AGE: 28
DH'S AGE: 29
CHILDREN: 2 Boys
NO. MONTHS TTC: 0
DH pH: 7.5-8.5
Me: 4.5 most of the time

DIET:

Not the best for a girl sway from either of us. I eat a PCOS friendly diet which is boy friendly. DH also did not adjust his eating patterns. The only hope I have is that around the time of ovulation, my diet was really bad, full of sugar and skipped meals.


CAFFEINE:

DH: was supposed to stop when we did sway, but was having a cup of green tea daily.

Me: never have caffeine, but DH convinced me to drink some green tea with him around the time of ovulation so I had caffeine unfortunately.



EXERCISE:

DH: soccer/football twice weekly + aerobic exercise 3 times a week

Me: aerobic exercise 4 times a week, Pilates 3-4 times a week, and some bellydancing
None


POTIONS & PILLS:

Metformin 1000mg
SP 320mg
Vitex
DIM
MVI (not good for girl sway)



POTIONS & PILLS FOR YOUR MAN:

MVI
Calcium + D
Garlic
Fish Oil :/


LOWERING SPERM COUNT/TIMING:

Not how we wanted to do this, but:

DH hadn't released for close to 3 weeks. Day 10 was the first time we had had sex in weeks. Day 11 was sex 12 hours later. This probably isn't girl friendly at all.

Jump and dump: Yes, both times

EWCM present/how much?: hard to tell. Day 10 was watery, but not too much. I used one tube of repHresh immediately after Day 10. Day 11, I was pretty dry because of the repHresh. More on this below.

DH undies type – tighty whities

DH hot bath/shower - no

OWT - anything under bed? – no


THINGS IN YOUR VG:

repHresh both days following each attempt. My pH was okay Day 10, but Day 11 was a 7, probably thanks to the Sylk.

OVULATION:

It is not always predictable, but this cycle seemed to ovulate Day 11. My FF chart says day 14, but I don't think so. My OPK strips weren't always reliable because of the PCOS.


Did you track your pH, if so, what was it before the attempt(s):

Day 10: 4.5 before attempt, 5.5 after attempt + orgasm + repHresh

Day 11: unknown before attempt, 7 after attempt + Sylk + repHresh after pH test, but did not check pH later because I was too scared and sore from touching my cervix so much. :(


IONS

Air purifier with HEPA filter and negative ions mode and a fan right next to where I sleep.

I don't know the moon phase. I can check.

My Chinese calendar based on my lunar age says I conceived a boy. :(


ANYTHING ELSE?

No. We would have done a lot more different had this been an official sway. My husband was really dedicated to the idea of swaying, actually, so totally committed to taking supplements and doing frequent release. Of course we didn't get to do these things, but it helps that he was going to be supportive.

We have prayed for a girl other times, but haven't lately.

We both want a healthy baby, but both also want a girl so much. I guess we will see! The PCOS definitely made this challenging. Thanks for helping me so much, ladies!

Oh my goodness! I just read through this entire thread and saw that you got a BFP today! Congratulations!!! Hope you conceived your little girl!!

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

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Originally Posted by fresas

I just got a + HPT.

I'm freaking out.

This was not an official sway at all. DH didn't take any girl friendly supplements. At all. Plus, I have continued to take my PCOS herbs and potions this whole time.

Oh my gosh. What do I do?!

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Oh my gosh is right!!! Congrats tho! I hope your pg is a very easy one this time!!! :) Remember, people can and do conceive baby girls doing nothing any different than they had every day of their lives!!