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Someone had asked if there was a way to filter the results for ease of viewing certain rows/columns. The answer is yes; you would just need to go through "File" and download into Excel (once you've opened it in google docs). This will take it out of Google Docs and open it in Excel format and you can use the filter feature there. That's how I do it so just sharing since I saw the question. :)
So sorry to hear that rainbow :( hope that things all work out for you xx
Hi all,
This is a great thread. BTW what is Fiber, what does it mean for swaying pink?
Also, OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT for DH, how does this work? What are the risks and benefits?
Thank you very much for any input
yes sorry those are two things I desperately need essays on.
Fiber is just dietary fiber such as chitosan or Metamucil. The point is that it absorbs fat and fat soluble nutrients from your foods and then they're unavailable for your body to use to make sex hormones with. This seems to sway pink and it's been surprisingly effective for us.
OLE, honestly we have no idea how it works. There was a doctor on here that had a theory about it and planned to publish a study for IVF. Then some of the HT girls used it and seemed to have good gender splits at the beginning, so I have then tentatively begun using it in cases where cranberry is contraindicated. So far we've gotten good results with it (with a small sample size and I fully expect that number will come down over time), but at the same time the HT ladies have had more mixed results in terms of gender splits so I am honestly at an impasse as to whether I think it is working or not.
Anyway, OLE would be used in lieu of cranberry and he'd take 500-1000 mg of that a day starting right away and continuing thru your whole cycle, till BFP and then gradually wean off.
Risks are similar to cranberry, stomach upset/headache, it's a blood thinner, but on the whole seems safer than cranberry.
Standard disclaimer, the unfortunate thing is that we honeslty don't know all the risks of taking herbal supps yet and OLE is so new that I do not yet have a feel for side effects.
Very helpful, thank you atomic, looks like OLE not the best form what I read
Fiber though may be something to consider
So do can't take cranberry and OLE together?
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I don't think we know that yet and it may be the cat's meow, it's just that I don't feel like I can say that just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamsplanner
I strongly recommend fiber, that is one thing that has gotten good results right from the very beginning and while the stats of late have gotten a bit "busy" with lots of results so hard to know what is really swaying, the fiber got great results back when it was possible to see them. People who used the fiber got significantly more girls than those who did not.
right.Quote:
Originally Posted by CherryBlossom
Oh crap dp has been taking both
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Have him wean off the one that you like the least.
girl stats updated
Wow Vitex has really dropped. Is it because not many people are using it or it's getting opposite results?
I'd like to know too. :think:
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Originally Posted by Rmarie
I was playing around with a downloaded version of the spreadsheet and it looks like some of the statistics/formulas may be calculating incorrectly. For example, I was looking at the statistics on the people who paid for personalized plans and the online version says that there were a total of 28 sways, but only 21 pink results. In actuality, there were 28 sways and 23 pink results. As such, the success rate of atomic's personal plans is higher than it shows in the spreadsheet. Just thought I would point that out. I know you said that the statistics don't update automatically, so it is possible that new sways were added after you updated it, which accounts for the discrepancy. But I thought it was worth mentioning.
Hm I've remember atomic saying that aside from that she has totally different numbers on personalized plans. A much higher number and success rates around 65% to 70%? Sorry if I'm writing nonsense
Also one question: is everyone included in exercise who did it a bit or only those who did it for 60min at least 5 days a week? Because some write in their sways that they excercised 3 or 4 times a week or went for a walk a lot or chased their boys around lol
Yes, women who exercised at all are included in the exercise stats. So women who got in 3-4 days are in there. Atomic doesn't want to exclude them from the stats because that's cherry-picking the results. If you think about it, it makes sense. So do we drill everyone to make sure they did exactly 60 minutes, no less? Do they get excluded if they got sick and had to take 4-5 days off but otherwise had 6 days a week for 12 weeks? What about the successful woman who never exercised in the 2ww, but otherwise worked out as prescribed? Or the women who accidentally got in some weight training?
I mean, I was irritated at first because I want "pure" results, but this is an internet poll, essentially, not a scientific study. We don't have observers verifying that everyone did everything they claimed exactly like they should. As long as it's on an honor system and we want honest stats, I think it has to be this way.
I also like that it's not the hostile swaying environment that IG was. Everyone's supportive instead of pointing out everything someone did wrong if there was an opposite. If we cherry pick results, we become IG :(
I think maybe we could have more options. A few different slots for exercise where we can choose what kind and how much. I think even though we don't want a hostile environment it is beneficial to get actual results so atomic can help as many people as she can get their DG. Some of the categories are just too vague. I don't like the "other" category. If "other" has a high success rate I want to know what it is!!
Lol Rosie, I like your Marthaness!
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It's not martha for me if someone else is doing the work! haha
LilithWiser it was just a question not a complaint. Didn't mean to step on your toes. Thank you for clarifying. Just wanted to interpret the data in the right way.
I also didn't want to suggest in any way that those who did less have to be excluded. I just wanted to know how it is handled here in the stats.
Oh no, I'M sorry if that response came off as hostile! I only meant it as a defense for the lumping of all the exercise into one group. Atomic has explained it in the past, and avidly defends her methods of calculation and data collection in contrast to IG, and I support her in her efforts. That's all.
I think there has been some talk of more categories for calculation purposes, but the problem is that there are so many as it is, and it's becoming cumbersome. Someone would have to literally go through all the past sways that included exercise and separate out the strict exercisers from the looser ones. I guess now WOULD be the time to do it, if we were going to do it at all, since were at less than 40 total exercise pink swayers, though.
Then again, there's been talk of separating out baby aspirin from cranberry, which are currently lumped together, and aci-jel from replens. So far, no one really wants to wade through all the previous sways to calculate these, either.
I would definitely like to see aspirin and cranberry separated since I think most people are doing aspirin now. The same goes for Replens and Rephresh, especially since Atomic said they work differently. I also think there should be separate categories for peppermint and raspberry leaf tea since RRL tea is supposedly boy friendly since it increases fertility and has lots of beneficial nutrients. I've drank it and taken capsules of it for the entire length of both pregnancies.Quote:
Originally Posted by LilithWiser1979
So the spreadsheet is updated but not the written out list on page 1? Just want to make sure im looking in the right place :)
On the ss antihistamines seem to have gotten a lot of boys...i hope that didnt kill it for me
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Hello,
I noticed soy isoflavones was included in the results, what is it used for? Is it supposed to sway pink?
Thank you
Lilith - no you didn't come around as hostile. Everything is okay. Just thought that I had expressed myself in the wrong way lol.
What is "Through OV/pos OPK "? Is this BD frequently from AF to O and also just doing it once at pos. opk?
Updated girl stats 1st June
and apologies for the odd formatting this time around... not sure what happened there with my copy/paste (using new laptop)
Sorry somehow I have never seen these last several responses. Please never hesitate to let me know if I am missing an important thread/post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rmarie
I think the vitex + too strict a diet is causing people's cycles to go so haywire that many people end up stopping O all together and having to practically sway blue to get it going again. I also think that there is a coincidence factor in that people who are superfertile are the ones able to get pregnant while taking it and it's those people more likely to get blue anyway, and it's also something that many people drop after a while so the gals who have been on diet the longest (and getting best results) are no longer taking the vitex.
I do still 110% believe it sways pink based on my overall observations and the biology of it, and I will continue recommending it. The stats are only one tool we have that tell us about what is working.
This is something I would like to see changed (but I totally understand that it is a huge project!!) These are really two totally different tactics and so I do not think that result is going to provide good info.Quote:
Originally Posted by JG60611
I think that this is a pretty huge job and I hate asking anyone to do more than they alreday are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosie85
I honestly don't put a huge amount of stock into the answers. I think we can see the strong trends from what we have, and if we start breaking it down too much, people begin to pore over the numbers seeing trends that are not there.
Some of the things we did not start tracking for awhile (so they have results in the spreadsheet but not in the updated version) Other things may have been added but not updated yet. This is done by volunteers free of charge and it is not going to be perfect, we aren't doing a scientific study here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christi
I have done nearly 200 custom plans now and I am getting very similar results to what the overall stats of the site are. Most of them were before they started keeping track of them in the statistics. I've had a run of success iwth the custom plans the last several months but I do not want anyone to look at those and expect that kind of results. I want people to make decisions about swaying vs. HT based on the LOWEST expectation of success, not the highest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Cockatoo
I think it is best to look at the BIGGEST number and go off that, which will always be the overall stats of the site. That is a reasonable number and has stayed at about 65% for years now. Considering blue swayers are getting about 75% success, it indicates that it is reasonable for some of us to expect we are going from as much as 75% likely to have boys, to 65% likely to have a girl, which is HUGE.
Thank you for all this great info! Can I ask if there are any trends with swaying pink in the first month or two after coming off the contraceptive pill? Thanks
Exactly. This is an Internet poll, not a scientific study. These results are almost for entertainment purposes only. If we were doing a scientific study we would be tracking only one of these variables at a time and controlling for everything else, and the groups of people would be chosen at random. The way people do sway tactics is that different people use different tactics based on their personal needs and individual circumstances, and so it's like comparing apples to oranges for some of this stuff. The groups of people doing various sway tactics do not come into swaying with the same fundamental odds of success so it's very difficult to pick out the trends. Example, some people literally CAN'T do 60 min. of exercise because they are too thin to start with. So they might do less exercise or no exercise, but could possibly have better odds of pink than someone who had a lot of muscle mass. The stats will never be able to tell us stuff like that and the more we try to make it happen, the more confusing it becomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by LilithWiser1979
Trust me though - when there is a strong trend, it becomes clear very fast. I think that the tendency is for people to take the sway stats too seriously and start looking at groups of 3 people (or even 30) and giving that way too much weight. I don't think anything is gained by breaking it down into smaller and smaller subsets of people looking for a "magic bullet" because it's NEVER going to exist.
Anyone who wants to volunteer to go back through the old sways is more than welcome to coordinate with Rainbow and My to do that. Best if you are already pregnant to avoid any "Martha" stuff!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by essnce629
Antihistamines do not sway blue. No way, no how. That is a quirk of statistics, meaning that the people who are the least affected by antihistamines are also the ones can get pg easily while taking them and also are prob. more predisposed to blue.Quote:
Originally Posted by JG60611
It is used to induce ovulation and as a kind of "poor man's Clomid". In my signature below is a link to the Complete Index and it has a link to the soy essay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamsplanner
yes I believe that sways pink, and I also believe that info is in the stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarah4girl