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Hi, do you take yours right before bed? That's what I do, and I only have minor side effects that I wouldn't even have noticed if I didn't know they were side effects (minor hot flashes, extra moodiness). This cycle I got headaches around O time, but I think that's for reasons other than the Clomid, because I think Clomid is only supposed to cause headaches for the days you take it, not suddenly around O.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallie
The past two days I took it before bed and I felt much better , still tearful but not anxious or panicked like I was. I can cope with the hot flushes and being hormonal but I felt like I was having a panic attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsEnglish
Unless of course it's actually me feeling stressed about ttc this month, but I do feel better today so hopefully that's the worst of it over with.
Did you find you had any other side effects throughout your cycle ? X
Last month I felt more anger prone during the entire cycle than I usually am. So I attributed that to Clomid, but who knows really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallie
Yes have had headaches around O, anxiety, and crankiness all reported as side effects of Clomid. It can cause symptoms even when not taking it, whenever hormones shift. :)
Just chiming in to say I take Clomid at night and haven't noticed any major side effects - except maybe some acne. Sounds like taking it at night may be better for avoiding side effects.
Thank you ladies, that's all really helpful x
Thank you ABC, yeah I am thinking 3-7 looks better for me. Wondering if even 2-6 might extend luteal phase more. Although I did feel more energetic when I took it 5-9, but maybe that was like you said my body was more used to it. Yes I was planning to take a cycle off. Want to go away and just be for a couple of days next weekend. It makes me really moody & id be doing OPK etc. Then I plan to take it again for June cycle. Hope that doesn't mean my body forgets that it's had it before...Quote:
Originally Posted by ABC.2606
About the aspirin, does that effect sway at all, Im wondering if I should do it. I have some from HT cycles, & Crinone too!
Hope everyone is going well over in the 2WW! & you're feeling ok & not too concerned over your fun ;)
I think that sounds like a perfect plan - taking a cycle off, getting some time away, and just relaxing!!! And I think going back to 3-7 sounds best. I don't know about 2-6 (I'm sure atomic can answer!) but I thought I had heard that it needs to be started between days 3 & 5. As far as your body forgetting I doubt that will happen. I had a break between my 2nd and 3rd cycles on it b/c I got pregnant the 2nd cycle, had a miscarriage @ 5 weeks, and doc wanted me to wait until next AF came before starting me back on it. And still it was that 3rd cycle that I saw stronger effects of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by emshe
Yea I've chilled out about our little "oopsie" on Friday night. It still doesn't look like I have O'd (although I got a +OPK on Monday) so I'm sure it's not going to happen LOL! Now trying to decide whether to start TTC-ing again next cycle or the one after... Still torn! DH really wants to try next cycle - he's ready to start again, part of why he was totally ok w/ not pulling out or using protection on Friday! :)
I don't know if baby aspirin really "sways" (again atomic I'm sure can answer!) and I know atomic has concerns about it. I am taking it now b/c my OBGYN has strongly recommended that after 3 unexplained miscarriages, I should at least try it - and I'm so fed up with m/c's that I'm just ready to try something at this point.
I love that hubby is so keen to ttc, thats lovely and Im so glad your more at ease with the oopsie. Look at Pbn! ABC the decisions are always at the forefront of thought. I guess only time will tell if you're ready or not. My stupidity with not trying in May(& I cue the yelling at me from behind the screens) is not just sentiment but the stupid chinese gender calendar thats always been right for me. I repeat complete stupidity!!! But I do feel we need a break, maybe even have sex for the sake of enjoyment for awhile, that will make my hubby happy, he cant stand the "I don't want to orgasm" pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABC.2606
I completely understand ABC, I already worry beyond getting pregnant, that Ill get pregnant and miscarry again. Its one worry after another isn't it. I go backwards and forwards between feeling I want to just let it be & see what happens but Ill be nervous the whole time if I get there. Plus Im not seeing a FS to guide me at this point.
Emshe, we have different circumstances, but a lot in common. I'm on my 3rd consecutive Clomid cycle now (had a 4th but with a month and a half break earlier), and I'm in the 2ww approx 5DPO, and if I'm not pregnant, I'm going to take time off. We'll do NTNP, but I have an ovulation issue, so while it's definitely possible that I'd get pregnant without Clomid, I'm guessing there's only like a 5% chance each cycle. We tried naturally for 11 months unsucessfully with my 1st before getting pregnant on Clomid.
I have one round of 50mg Clomid left and one round of 25 mg. My plan (if I'm not pregnant this cycle) is to wait until I ovulate twice naturally on my own (assuming I don't get pregnant those times) and on the 2nd AF to take 50 mg, if I don't get pregnant that time, to take 25 mg, and if I don't get pregnant that time, to ask for a referral for an RE. Cuz if I'm not pregnant by then it will be I had 3 well timed attempts on 50 mg, and 2 well timed attempts on 25 mg, and still didn't get pregnant (I'm not counting the extra 50 mg attempt where I had an 8 day luteal phase).
I still have a decent amount of hope that I'm pregnant this cycle. I've had extra tiredness, food cravings, TMI!! bloody snot, and extra friskiness. I looked in my pregnancy diary though, and before BFP I had had 3 symptoms and I don't have any of those ones now, but I'm 5 DPO, but before BFP could mean 10 DPO because I didn't write exactly when it happened, just before BFP. I know, I know, I need to take a chill pill.
emshe - I do not recommend aspirin for anyone who does not have a proven blood clotting disorder (and the handful of people who insist on taking it for swaying) It does NOT help with implantation and only helps prevent miscarriage in a minority of people who have blood clotting disorders. Some information indicates that it may CAUSE miscarriage in some other people. So I can't recommend it for anyone who has not been told to take it for some specific reason.
This is also what my observation was - the people on 5-9 just were not getting pregnant and the people with CD 3-7 were. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by ABC.2606
And no, baby aspirin does not really sway. When we calculated the inverses we found the identical number of people getting girls with and without using it, and this was about the same as the overall success rate of the site. If something works we need to see more people getting girls with it than without it and this number needs to be higher than the overall success rate of the site to prove it's adding something beyond what we are already getting with the other sway tactics.
The diet really doesn’t bother me & I love the exercise, nothing to do with the sway is difficult although my weight hasn’t really come back on, it’s staying more stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I guess my concern with the clomid is my luteal phase? But looking at it (see below) taking it days 3-7 was actually better for luteal phase as it bought ov forward. Maybe I should try day 2-6?
First clomid cycle I took it @CD 3-7
Positive opk @CD 15(9pm)
Likely ovulation @CD 16 or 17
AF started @CD 25, spotting 24
LP - 8-9 days
Second clomid cycle I took it @CD 5-9
Positive opk @CD 18
Likely ovulation @ CD 19
AF started @ CD 26 spotting from 24( start at CD 26 to be confirmed but things really seem to be kicking off now)
LP - 6 days
I am tempted to give clomid another go and then have a natural cycle the next 1 or 2 if my lp doesn’t improve. Then that’s it.
Anything else I can do to lengthen the luteal phase? I do 4 eggs, salmon 1/week, yoghurt daily, & always hit 50-60g fat & protein. Maybe pull back exercise to 5 times? Any supplements or do they sway strongly? I’m hitting 1700 cals, but the amount of veg I eat that’s not included is quite a lot, I love my Veges. Should I go higher again?
I do feel a month off without trying is a good idea. I’ve booked a weekend away where we conceived our first [emoji72] and I plan to drink a few drinks beyond meal times for the first time in years... 2 days of not really adhering too strictly, something that will thrill hubby! He may not want to ever get back. I will definitely go over on numbers whilst away [emoji51]
Thank you so much atomic, you rock!
& for the info on aspirin
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Sorry about over sharing, but irl I don't talk about this with anyone so I'm bubbling over:
I felt twinges in my uterus yesterday.
Hmm i felt that too yesterday but didn’t have my attempt yet. Maybe I’m thinking to much about getting pgQuote:
Originally Posted by MrsEnglish
I still feel them sometimes and I am 10000% not pregnant.Quote:
Originally Posted by onebigwish
I know it's exciting but I feel like people get more upset when they symptom spot then when they don't.
i hope this is is, Mrs. E!
I actually think CD 2-6 is worse than CD 5-9. I suspect CD 2-6 makes a poorer lining.
What happens with Clomid is that it blocks estrogen. You kind of need things to get going a little before you start the Clomid so you aren't totally without estrogen when it's time for you to get ready to ovulate. Your lining is actually growing even when you are on your period, growing from the inside out, and it's 2/5 to 3/5 of the way grown back while you are still on your period. If you start the Clomid too early, I believe it interrupts this process and your body then doesn't have time to make as good a lining because the estrogen gets blocked and then everything starts to go pear shaped. Remember we have no idea how any of this works really, and I feel very emphatic that the CD 3-7 is best for most people and this is especially true for people who are having trouble on it anyway.
go up to 6 eggs a week and yes do cut back exercise. Up cals to 1800-2000. keep eating the vegetables.
none of the supplements that supposedly help with LP do anything and many of them make matters worse because they also delay ovulation.
Have a wonderful weekend away!!!!
Got it! I’ll do 3-7 again, you had hoped the 5-9 may work better but unfortunately it didn’t seem to. Pinning my hopes on responding better to it in June based on being more used to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
My lining was always thick at early scans for HT so I think it will be fine with 3-7!? My AF was almost as heavy as always so hasn’t impacted that. Maybe I’m lacking iron?
Will cut back to 5 days exercise for a while. And yeah I’ve been hitting 1800 a lot so I’ll keep going. Definitely 2000 while away with a few extra alcohol [emoji6]
Good to know about supps I’ll stick with folate & metformin.
Thank you I’m sure we will enjoy ourselves!
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Even though I'm impulsive in most areas, I've been uncharacteristically disciplined about not POAS early. The earliest I've ever POAS is 12 DPO. BUT this cycle I have unusually high hopes of being pregnant so I'm going to test tomorrow which will be 9 or 10 DPO. I have such high hopes for this cycle, that I feel like if I get a BFN tomorrow that will be an easier letdown than if I wait until 13 DPO like I originally planned.
I will be everything crossed for a bfp for you Mrs EnglishQuote:
Originally Posted by MrsEnglish
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All the best MrsEnglish! Hope to see you post your bfp in the next few days!
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Atomic, do you think this month would still sway pink having done clomid for the last 2 cycles. Or does it only sway the month following if you’ve been on it consistently for longer, say 6 months?
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Basically, I'm pretty sure I got BFN with a small evap line.
Supposed to look 5-10 minutes after testing, so I looked 5 minutes after and Stark BFN. An hour and a half later I looked and saw the lightest ever line which I'm pretty sure was colorless.
I'm not sure whether today is 9 or 10 DPO, but I'm going to go with 9 DPO because that gives me more hope. This was a super sensitive HCG test that advertises that you can use it 4 days before period is due.
I'm planning on testing again on Wednesday which would be 11 DPO, and if that's negative, I'll wait until Monday which would be 16 DPO.
Well looks like af has got me again this morning. Another 8 day luteal I think. I’m going to do one more Femara cycle but up to the dose to 7.5mg and then just try naturally from then on using vitex to lengthen my lp. Worked for me before and I am doing plenty of swaying in other ways. My af symptoms seem to be a lot worse this month - I rarely get period cramps and back ache. Dunno if that is a good sign! On the plus side feeling a lot less stressed out that I did a few weeks ago and am v busy with work so hopefully that will help too.
As well as vitex, am also thinking of taking pregnitude. Hear it sways pink and seems to have worked for a lot of women.
Might also get my thyroid, testosterone levels checked by the doc too. Nothing to lose.
Best of luck MrsEnglish!Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsEnglish
I don't think I'm pregnant anymore. Not because of the 9DPO BFN, but because today I had to solve a math problem and I got it right. Pregnancy makes me stupid for the entire 1st trimester.
This sucks.
And I'm not talking about a simple arithmetic problem either. It was from my high schooler neighbor's algebra homework and it was the kind of stuff that I found hard back when I was in high school.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsEnglish
I’ll still hold hope for you Mrs English & Mrs Manchester.
Every pregnancy can be different Mrs E [emoji6]🤞🏻
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99% sure this is AF. Will do a test tomorrow though to be sure and will start 7.5mg Femara dose tomorrow night. I am so sick of this short luteal phase now! This will be my fifth cycle post partum and the most it has got to is 8/9 days! I did have this problem last time I was ttc though and it naturally got 1 day longer every month until it got to 8 days and then I got pregnant. I am so impatient though and it feels like no chance of pregnancy until it is longer. If not pregnant this next cycle with a super dose of Femara, I will start vitex (lengthened my lp before) and maybe pregnitude too as I have heard good things about it and it is supposed to sway pink. Good luck Mrs English! Surely odds are that at least one of us will be preggo soon!
I regret i took clomid,yesterday night i was in so much pain like my ovaries gonna explode! Took it cd2-6 and today is cd12 for me still no positive opk.
Poor you, hope it settles down soon & you get your positive opkQuote:
Originally Posted by onebigwish
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The pain is better it turned in to a very high libido lol!! I’ll have my attempt tonight (cd13)because im traveling and dh wont be with me. Normally i get my positive opk without clomid on cd 12/13 & because i only take it for swaying purposes i think i get my positive opk tomorrow.
Yay, good luck!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by onebigwish
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11 DPO and BFN. Stark BFN, no ands ifs or buts. After a 7 hour overnight hold.
I'm expecting AF on Friday or Saturday :(
Shame, but lots don’t get their bfp this early?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsEnglish
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You aren’t out until you get af! Lots of examples of people getting later bfps. Good luck! I am starting 7.5mg Femara tonight and starting taking myo-inositol.Quote:
Originally Posted by emshe
Is it normal to feel nauseous right after ovulation /conception? I also have sore nipples. I’m wondering are those side effects from clomid or very early pregnancy symptoms? I’ve never had that before
That's really common on Clomid, I know it sucks though. Hang in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by onebigwish
Yes I have occasionally had nausea after ovulation (when not pregnant). It's the sudden rise in progesterone. The Clomid makes things like this more noticeableQuote:
Originally Posted by onebigwish