some vitex+SP stats for you

correct as of today, from the spreadsheet. Some food for thought!


vitex overall (everyone who tried it) - 55 sways: 50.91% success
saw palmetto overall (everyone who tried it) - 40 sways: 55.00% success
NO vitex (those who didn't take it at all) - 101 sways: 64.36% success
NO saw palmetto (those who didn't take it at all) - 116 sways: 62.21% success

vitex but not SP - 27 sways: 55.56% success
vitex and SP - 28 sways: 50.0% success
SP but not vitex- 12 sways: 66.67% success
neither vitex nor SP - 89 sways: 64.04%

although of course this could be coincidence that SP alone seems much better given the lower number of sways trying that

Ok I'm back.

The thing with V and SP and also pep tea, is that they can really screw with your cycle. Lots of people stop ovulating and/or it's delayed even with taking it only the first part of the cycle.

There are two groups of people who seem to get pg while on V and SP. There are the people who seem to be superfertile and just really aren't affected by much, and they are also the ones most likely to get pg right away. It may be that the V and SP just don't affect them much at all (or they're not on it and diet long enough). Remember, the blue sways are getting 75-80% success so going from 75-80% likely to have a boy, to 50% girls, is STILL an improvement and it may just be that some people are uberfertile and can just shake the V and SP off better than others can. Net result - people who are able to get pg quickly while taking V and SP may be a little more "set" for boys to begin with than people who aren't able to get pg while using them.

Some other people launch into these really strict sways and are taking V and SP. They don't get pg doing all that stuff and quite a few people were also dieting a lot more strictly than I would have liked. The combination of the two, end up stopping ovulation all together and then people ended up having to drop sway tactics and in some cases actually sway blue just to get pg at all (primarily in the form of adding attempts but also easing off diet and so on.)

Biologically, on paper, V and SP and to a lesser extent pep tea, ~should~ sway pink. I got a boy and a girl on Vitex, but I got 3 boys without vitex.

ARe they enough to be worth the trouble they cause?? I'm not sure. All along I have thought that if swaying is a real phenomenon we are tapping into, then it needs to be possible with diet/exercise/lifestyle/BD patterns, because THOSE are the things that people have had access to throughout time. Before a few years ago no one would ever have been taking these herbs regularly and so it has to be possible to sway effectively without them. But at the same time we have had a lifetime eating our boy friendly diets and some of us may just need a little more help aside from diet.

Looking forward to hearing peoples thoughts on this, just when I think I've got everything clear I'm confused again :shrug:

Minki 4, I totally understand how you feel. I did not want to mess with my perfect cycles and decided not to include V and SP, well I did consider SP, actually tried pep tea, which delayed my AF by 18 days!
It is therefore good to see the statistics, but I am now confused by your words Atomic :( as my attempt is approaching I am so confused. This is definately my last shot, we are NOT going for 4...so confused :(

I'm going to include vitex still. Whenever I look at sways nearly identical to mine, the successful ones included vitex. I don't know if it will work for me, but I know I'll kick myself since I've seen in other sways that it works, don't use it, and my sway fails.


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Originally Posted by Cauliflower

Minki 4, I totally understand how you feel. I did not want to mess with my perfect cycles and decided not to include V and SP, well I did consider SP, actually tried pep tea, which delayed my AF by 18 days!
It is therefore good to see the statistics, but I am now confused by your words Atomic :( as my attempt is approaching I am so confused. This is definately my last shot, we are NOT going for 4...so confused :(

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Agh I just deleted my words LOL - does my new response answer your question??

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I'm going to include vitex still. Whenever I look at sways nearly identical to mine, the successful ones included vitex. I don't know if it will work for me, but I know I'll kick myself since I've seen in other sways that it works, don't use it, and my sway fails.


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I am 100% sure the vitex swayed pink for me when I got Susannah.

I think it is worth taking them even if the success rate is only 50% because most if us have NO girls so 50 50 sounds good to me - I think Without it i am of 80 20 LOL.

Cauliflower I have 3 DS already , I'm now thinking diet and exercise the most important and may throw vitex in for first attempt next month .I never dreamed of having 4 but after being told Ds3 was going to be a girl and popping out a boy I've decided to give it one last go.

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Probably not the right place to ask but is there any difference in Dh doing frequent release or abstain ? From what I'm reading it just needs to be 1 or the other . Dh is 32.
Thoughts ??


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