What can i take out of my sway to prevent another chemical? anyone? atomic??

Just something else i would like to get you ladies opinions on since my chemical and before my next attempt.

Is it just too much to be abstaining for 10+ days, dtd at approx 0+12 (when the egg is getting past its best already), using lime 5 mins after, being hardcore on the diet and supps (calc, mag, cran, acidiphilous) and dh (ph 7.3) taking liquorice root, cran, calc?

I really feel like something might have to give in order to sustain a healthy pregnancy and im wandering what you ladies would cut out if anything? For example should dh give the liquorice root a miss or is this actually good for fertility? I happy to give the lime a miss but perhaps this is the least detrimental of factors? Is it too much to be hardcore with diet and supps?

Other things you should know, i cant really consider the idea of bd through ov as my ph rockets to 6.0-7.5 during this time. Also, we have tried frequent bd and my dh just cant manage it as my ov is unpredictable and always delayed. Plus i know that i cant get pg with a cut-off and a combo is even more FR!!

I really cant handle another chemical or anything worse so need to get swaying within reasonable limits! Any advice is so appreciated! X

Hi there
I know little about licorice root, sorry but please, nothing you did contributed to your loss. Unfortunately, and I know this does not make you feel any better, these things happen and are quite common :(

It happens to the best of us, big big hugs xxx

Thanks ttc5! Trouble is since all this happened i have done a fair bit of reading and it seems to me that a lot of girl swayers have suffered from chemicals. I know we can never know exactly what causes a miscarriage but i just wander if any of the swaying methods can cause problems in some women/couples. I never suffered from any problems whatsoever with my sons and i believe this is my second chemical whilst swaying for 9 months...thats too much of a coincidence in my eyes. Just feel like i wouldnt be taking my (and my future babies) health seriously if i didn't ask more questions/do more research.

I do very much appreciate your kind words though:)

I also want to reassure you that you didn't do anything to 'cause' your loss deaks but I understand wanting to reassess things to make sure you're comfortable with it all.

How old is your DH? If he's over 35 then I would consider not doing abstinence. Have you looked into compressed frequent release? Once you've decided on 'the day' (I would go with O+12 if that's what you're comfortable with or DTD once on the day of your +OPK so you still have a small cut-off but a higher chance of getting pregnant) you get DH to release once or twice before DTD with the second or third batch - and preferably within 8 hours of the previous release. There's a study on here which looked at the effect on sperm count of very frequent release if you think that might work for you and want to read it - let me know and I'll find the link.

The other thing I would be sure to do is keep blood sugar levels low during the 2ww, so if you conceive a girl you're giving her the optimal environment to develop in. This is an area of swaying which has some evidence behind it because scientists have watched it happening under a microscope - here's a link which explains better:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...ugar-important

I don't know about the supplements because I didn't take most of them. Are you taken sane amounts or the crazy amounts some girl swayers take?!

Again, I hope you're not blaming yourself because it can happen to anybody and we'll never know why. {hugs}

Thanks zanacal, no im really not blaming myself though i still regret not taking the progesterone but thats just life, im definitely not worrying about it. I just want to reassess things like you say.

DH is 32 as am i and we did abstinence for both our sons who are nearly 4 and 18 months. The main reason being he just couldn't cope with lots of bd so we just waited for a smiley each time. So im thinking abstinence is ok but i would definitely like to look into that link you mentioned if you can find it.

Atomic also mentioned the blood sugar levels thing, so i will definitely take that onboard and im going to read that link... though in simple terms (i am rubbish with the science!) am i to understand that changing your levels too quickly or early can lead to the fertilised egg not being happy in the environment in which it was created anymore?

I don't think i am taking crazy amounts of supplements, certainly no more than is recommended on the IG site. Certainly my ph isn't as low as some ladies 4.1-4.6 but during ov it rockets to 6.0-7.5, so i cant believe i am the most acidic swayer out! But maybe my body has a naturally high ph and what im eating/taking is throwing it too much off course?

Still wandering about progesterone. Was initially obviously worried that me not taking is was a problem but because my temps seem to have remained high while my body readjusts, progesterone may not have been the problem right? But there is no harm in taking it next time is there? i don't think you can have too much progesterone can you? it wouldn't delay a miscarriage would it?

Thanks so much for your help!

I don't know about progesterone I'm afraid, but I'm sure somebody else will.

Regarding the blood sugar levels - I can only explain it in simple terms (and sometimes get them wrong!) so no worries there! A fertilised female egg has been shown to suck up glucose very effectively from its environment, so there's a possibility that if there's too much in the environment (because blood sugar levels aren't being kept low in the 2ww) it sucks up too much. A fertilised male egg does not suck up glucose effectively so it may prefer to have more in the environment. Neither type likes very high blood sugar. It's likely that both types can survive in both low and medium glucose environments but it makes sense to provide optimum conditions after we've put in all the hard work leading up to our attempt!

a lot of ladies in general will have MCs... girl swayers included and even those who don't test early. 75% of losses are caused by something that goes wrong during conception to do with DNA. Sadly we want to look for something to blame, but often there are no answers or causes. I know that for my MC (which wasn;t a chemical) I did everything right during my pregnancy and it still happened. If an egg is destined to fail, there is nothing you can do to prevent it.

a LP of 10 or more shouldn't cause you any specific conception problems and the progesterone the doctor has prescribed you will definitely help you with that.

the blood sugar thing is about creating the environment in which fertilised eggs can best develop. XX tend to thrive fine when there is low blood sugar whereas XY need more stable blood glucose in order to grow. Should you conceive an XY and have low blood sugar there is less chance that it will reach a state where it can implant, however in the same circumstances there is a good chance than at XX egg would. 75% of fertilised eggs fail to implant anyway for one reason or another.

would you feel more comfortable with compressed frequent release around pos OPK/BD through OV?

I do think you should consider mumomega or similar. That will improve your uterine lining making implantation more likely to be successful, it also improves egg quality. For some it also increase EWCM, but you could always take something to dry it up.

Thanks zanacal and rainbow! i know there is nothing you can do to prevent these miscarriages from happening if they are going to regardless, i just need to be sure i am doing everything i possibly can to help those that can be prevented iykwim!

The blood sugar level is starting to make sense and that is something i can definitely do. So is it suggested that we stay on the diet for a few days after ov, up till implantation time or for the full 2ww and therefore never really having a break from the diet at all? If its the latter, that will be hard and i may have to relax the diet somewhat to keep it going as i have been on it for so long with only a couple of breaks!

Rainbow, i don't think i would feel more comfortable with bd thourgh ov because as i have mentioned my ph rockets during this time into boy territory. I have asked tamara about this and apparently there are just some women who wont be able to alter their ov ph and it looks like i am one of those. So in my case, timing is a hugely important factor in my eyes. I will consider the compressed FR though but again i have only ever got a bfp through abstaining!

I am up for taking something to improve uterine lining but would be worried about anything that increases ewcm as i have plenty of that despite being on the diet for so long! i guess this is why my ph rockets. I am still toying with taking b6 throughout my cycles to help uterine lining but am really worried about my cycles lengthening too much. i wander if there is something i could take that will help uterine lining and egg quality without increasing ewcm or lengthing ov??! a miracle perhaps!

I agree with the PP that nothing you did or didn't do caused this to happen.

If I had to tweak your sway to make it more pregnancy-friendly, I would drop both the abstain and the O+12. Neither of these options feels "safe" to me and they never have. Dropping licorice root is def. something to consider too because it is a great big unknown without much research into safety. The lime, as you say, is prob. the least detrimental of all of these things because lime just will kill sperm, it can't affect the DNA or anything. Only during development can the DNA of sperm be affected negatively (which is why abstain may not be the greatest thing ever.)

Have you tried RepHresh for pH? It's specially designed to keep pH low for 3 days after using it - it combines with very alkaline things to lower their pH to 4.5. You might find that it works better for your pH than the lime juice.

Have you looked into the compressed frequent release?? You don't have to do a combo, the compressed FR may work for you guys too.

"Compressed FR: You can use this as an emergency tactic if you were trying to go for FR but something came up and you missed a day here or there, or if you have a very irregular ovulation or a very long cycle (which does happen sometimes when you begin to sway pink, even if you‘ve always had a regular cycle) and the idea of FR for 3 and 4 weeks or even longer is daunting. Or, you can do it by design for those husbands who really cannot manage either FR or abstaining.

DTD in whatever pattern you prefer until you get a positive OPK. (you could potentially use this with a cutoff, but if something happens and you O late, you could end up with your DH having to release for several days in a row and that’s what you’re trying to prevent by doing this technique.) Then, have DH release once and dump the first batch - DO NOT use this batch for insemination, no matter what. As soon as he is capable, have him DTD again…you can use this second batch for insemination or dump it, too. By the time the third batch rolls around (again, as soon as he is able to), the count will be a lot lower than it was and you can use all subsequent batches for insemination. Keep DTD as much as you can until you’re sure you have Oed and the egg is gone. Or, you can use only one batch for insemination if you prefer.

To use this as an emergency tactic, let’s say that you were going for FR but one of your kids got sick in the night and ended up in your bed and then your MIL stopped by unexpectedly on another day. So you missed a couple of days in the middle of your 7-10 day FR. You’ve only had 2 days in a row of release and now you’re going to O in 2 days. Don’t panic. Have DH release once and dump it, then as soon as he is able, DTD again and use that second batch if you like or wait for a third batch. Keep DH releasing as much as possible through O, using or dumping batches depending on your preference. If you’re doing a lot of other things to sway, you may want to finish inside every time, or if you’re not doing much, then you may only want to use one or two of these batches."

Agree with AS about the RepHresh too, perhaps that could sort your pH out around OV?
If your total sperm count could be lowered via that (or through compressed frequent release) it wouldn't matter how many make it into the EWCM and if anything that could give you a better shot at pregnancy whilst still swaying because the initial hard work would already have been done and the EWCM would then ensure that those swimmers make it to the egg and survive long enough to fertilise it.

Do you take antihistamines/whatever to dry up the CM?

Don't actually agree that the compressed frequent release should be an emergency-only tactic, though. From what I've read it lowers sperm concentration in the semen and total semen quantity more effectively and dramatically than the traditional frequent release could. ;)