Help with my girl sway? Please & thank you! :)

Okay, so I woke up recently and realized that I was *this close* to 40 and my window of fertility was slowly coming to a close. I have 3 boys and one miscarriage. I had low progesterone with my last two (placed on oral progesterone) and not sure whether that was the case with the miscarriage as I was with a different doctor at that point. (I also spotted early in the pregnancy for my first, but was able to maintain it without added progesterone - that doctor was same one monitoring me with miscarriage)
My point is, I feel like I need to do all of this quickly...
I'm currently receiving a visit from AF.
I gave up my Cokes on March 24 and started the LE diet (eating mostly dairy), drinking lots of CL mixed in cranberry juice. I actually enjoy dairy, even though the blood diet says I should have a problem digesting milk - it does give me some issues, but not enough to make me stop consuming it.
I'm currently taking Citrical w/D; Magnesium, Vitex, Baby ASA, folate and currently Wellbutrin (which I will discontinue when I get a BFP)
(Atomic, I read your previous response about the supps I was taking and adjusted my doses accordingly...THANK YOU! I'm afraid to stop Vit. D as I was very deficient & I'm fairly certain it was because of my Coke consumption - I drank probably 4 or 5 a day and did this when I conceived each of my boys - as I'm pretty sure I was deficient with each of them as well)
I am considering taking Saw Palmetto for a few days (thru AF and for a few days after - it makes me a bit nervous) I drink the periodic cup of peppermint tea, but I'm not sure I could get in 3 cups a day for it to make a difference.
And I just started progesterone cream today. I plan to use it until O - unless you have a better idea, but I would definitely like to incorporate it into my sway.
My husband is also 40, but incredibly virile. My ph has been staying around 5 and my DH's is a 9. (He has suffered from prostatitis in the past, but swears he's not having any symptoms currently.) We plan to do FR up until the day CD 13 and then we will do morning release and evening BD for the next few days. (My DH has an incredibly high sperm count.)
I am planning to use Rephresh from the end of AF every 3 days until the day before we start making our attempts.
The day of our BDs I plan to use 5ml of lime douche (with a ph of 4.5) and approximately 15 minutes after, I will use 1ml of lime douche.
We will both take Sudafed 2 hours before BDs.
I should be ovulating during the new moon. I wouldn't have put any weight in this, but all 3 of my sons were conceived on the night of the full moon.

My biggest question is, is it okay to rush this along? Will I have been on the diet long enough by the time we try to conceive? (I think my ph of 5 is okay, but then I have no idea what it was when I conceived my boys.)
I wouldn't push it, but I just read an essay about how more girls are conceived March thru May, although I do live in the south where we don't really have seasons...it's just hot or cold. And the new moon in a girl sign is in our favor as well as our biorhythm charts for the month of April.

Thank you SO MUCH for any advice or help you can offer.
I'm ridiculous when it comes to planning things - which I know totally works against me. I swayed for DS#3 and was so upset when it didn't work. Of course, today that little man is the twinkle in my eyes and I could not imagine my life without him!
I'm actually considering accupuncture to help me relax!

1)I feel ya! I never believed in the biological clock until mine started beeping at me!!! I'm 41 myself so it obviously can happen, but just never forget, you're best off getting pg NOW rather than later, and it may take you a few more months than it does for the spring chickens! You may have to let go of some aspects of swaying in order to get pg. When I was TTC DS 4 on IG, there were some ladies my age who were doing very strict sways and did not get pg. Some of these ladies swayed for years and sadly, some ended up postponing so long that they were unable to conceive at all.

2)If you are truly Vit. D deficient, then you def. need supplementation. Many people are just taking it because "the other site" told them to and many of us who start off with normal/high Vit. D will inadvertently be swaying blue by doing that.

3)Coke consumption has nothing to do with calcium absorption or Vit. D levels. Of course you can read a lot of stuff on the Internet that makes claims to the contrary but I do not believe the facts support it. (I need an essay on this but nutshell version, it's more likely that people who drink a lot of pop have unheallthy lifestyles in other ways - poor diet, low calcium intake, lack of weight bearing exercise, insulin resistance - and those things coincidentally lead to lower bone mass.) If you want to give up Coke, that's your business of course but many of us have found full sugar pop to be a great way to get calories without adding any additional nutrients (and have conceived girls doing so.)

4)The LE Diet is not high in dairy. IG and FGD are high in dairy, but in none of the three diets is dairy unlimited. In LE Diet, you ahve to be careful with dairy so as not to go over the diet guidelines, 1500-1800 cals, 40-50 g protein, 20-30% of your day's cals from fat, 700-1000 mg sodium (dairy is super high in sodium). In IGD and FGD you also need to limit your potassium intake and dairy is very high in potassium as well. Dairy can be a part of a sway diet, but you can't overemphasize it because people have inadvertently swayed blue by overeating dairy.

5)If you're doing pep tea, even occasionally, I wouldn't do the saw palmetto. I don't think you'll get any benefits from SP taken only for a few days anyway.

6)I have mixed feelings about progesterone cream. I do not think that stopping and starting it is a good idea esp. if you have low prog to begin with (because your prog is low during yoru LP right when you want it to be high, and then suddenly stopping the cream right when you legitimately need it will only make matters worse by totally confusing your body about how much progesterone it needs to make). If you want to do prog cream, I would do it thru the entire cycle and I would much rather you spoke with a doctor for prescription strength progesterone support during the LP, because you will need to continue prog support thru the entire first trimester without missing a day or run the risk of miscarriage (the cream may not be strong enough or consistently formulated enough to rely on during pregnancy.)

Most people supplement progesterone ONLY during the LP when you need it to maintain pregnancy. Your progesterone is supposed to be low from AF-O (here is a good graphic illustrating this) Menstrual Cycle: Biology of the Female Reproductive System: Merck Manual Home Edition and you run the risk of disrupting the delicate balance of your hormonal cycle by using progesterone cream prior to ovulation. Your body makes estrogen and progesterone based on signals it receives from your body and by having high levels of prog when you are supposed to have low levels, you may send a signal to your body that you have too MUCH progesterone and it may cut back making it right when you actually need it!

The idea that high progesterone = more girls conceived is just one theory out of many supported by only one researcher, and it has much less scientific data supporting it than many other theories. Much of the data that does claim to support the idea, actually has other, better explanations.

7)Prostatitis can cause high pH. 9 is on the high side. I think he should be checked out just in case because he can be asymptomatic and still have inflammation that is not good for his health in the long term. If the prostatitis is treated, his pH may go down as a result.

8)You don't have to do two releases a day if you've already done many days of FR. The Compressed FR tactics are more for couples where the husband won't or can't do FR. I am concerned that doing two releases after that many days of FR will not leave a lot of swimmers to get the job done.

9):agree: with RepHresh, but you can't use lime douche with RepHresh. RepHresh is designed to keep pH at 4.5-5 and since lime douche has lower pH than that, the RepHresh will just raise the pH of the lime douche. Pick one or the other.

10)It is fine to rush things along and in fact I'm a bit concerned that some of the things you're planning will cut odds of conception too far. Too many releases and lime douche in particular. If you live in the South, seasons don't seem to sway as much for you and in fact more girls are conceived the closer you get to the Equator anyway so please put seasons out of your head and don't even expend any concern over them.

11) I don't believe in biorhythms or moon signs so if you're happy with those, that's fine. Oing in the darker part of the moon cycle may sway for reasons we don't totally understand and you can read about that here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...naception.html

12)Acupuncture/massage for relaxation is a fine idea but stay away from fertility-boosting acupuncture/massage because those things ~may~ sway blue.

I feel so discouraged right now.
I guess I am more on the IG diet than the LE. I drink 3 glasses of skim milk a day, periodically some low fat cottage cheese or a yogurt, I haven't eaten real meals in a couple of weeks - not because I feel like I can't...just because I don't feel the need to, I'm sustained on the milk & yogurt. I drink crazy amounts of CL in cranberry juice. My lips are so dry that I now have a cold sore. And apparently, the dairy stuff could be working against me anyway.
So I can't use lime the day after I finish using Rephresh. So what should I use the day of? More Rephresh? Would I be better off with Replens?
My doctor retired last year - this new doctor doesn't believe in progesterone therapy - even if you're low. I'm seriously considering finding a new doctor.
I feel like if cut out the progesterone cream, add back in my Cokes, lower my calcium intake, then I'm doing essentially the same things I did when I conceived my 3 boys, ya know? Except for a couple of added supplements that I'm not even sure about.
And then on top of everything else, I screwed something up & took Vitex during AF & now my period which usually lasts 5 days & started on Friday pretty much ended yesterday (just some minimal spotting left)
I guess I really just need to accept the fact that I'm meant to have boys...which I do love, but I will always wonder about the joy a little girl could've brought to my family.

So a few things- I've taken Vitex in the past and the first couple months I was on it, it def screwed with my cycle. After about 4-5 months, it did regulate, just depends wether you want to wait that long.

Second, AS is right about progesterone cream. It should really be used O to AF- that's when you need it. Using before O can actually delay O. And if you should get a BFP while using it, you DEF don't want to stop abruptly as that could trigger a m/c. If you font have a doctor, try finding a naturopath physician. They are pretty adept at using supps. And if you don't have one locally (although most cities have them now), many of them can do phone consults from a different city than the one you reside. They would prob recommend a blood test to see if you truly are low.

When you say you feel like you'd be eating the same as when you conceived your boys, do you normally eat the LE diet?? Did you look at what that entails? Basically consuming few, low-nutritive calories per day, no snacking (or at least not grazing through the day), low sodium, etc. Is that how you ate conceiving your boys?? If not, try switching to the LE diet, switch your Cokes to Diet Coke, drink the CL, skip breakfast- and that will help some. And AS can help with Rephresh/Replens.

GL!!

Okay, so Vitex is out. It was very nice having a short period, but I don't want to screw up my cycle. As for the progesterone, I was hoping it could be part of my sway since that would a) be different than when I got pregnant with my boys and b) would help me sustain the pregnancy when it happens...I know some would still be in my system for a period and my doctor did say he would do blood levels the second I got pregnant. (The problem is, I wish he'd do them now!)
As for diet, for my boys I was super skinny and eating pretty empty calories (lots of cokes)...probably low everything - definitely not much in the way of nutritional and definitely not dairy. Since then, I've gained a lot of weight - thanks to a couple of rounds of steroids for a medical condition that has since resolved...still having difficulty getting the weight off.
Anyway, thank you so much for responding...I do appreciate all the ideas & support I can get!

Hi I'm in similar circumstances in that I have a history with recurrent miscarriages. I'm swaying pink too at the moment only after getting alot of blood work done to confirm my levels of progesterone and b12 and thyroid levels were all within normal ranges, as I'm not taking many vitamins. I would get a blood test done yourself elsewhere if your doctor is not willing
To do it before a BFP just for peace of mind.
I wish you well on your ttc journey. Xx

Irishmom, thank you so much! I'm calling another doctor tomorrow...you're right, if he won't do the test now, then he's not the doctor for me.
Best wishes to you...I truly hope we both get our hearts' desires.

Best of luck! Let me know how you get on. Xx

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Originally Posted by BeadinMom

I feel so discouraged right now.
I guess I am more on the IG diet than the LE. I drink 3 glasses of skim milk a day, periodically some low fat cottage cheese or a yogurt, I haven't eaten real meals in a couple of weeks - not because I feel like I can't...just because I don't feel the need to, I'm sustained on the milk & yogurt. I drink crazy amounts of CL in cranberry juice. My lips are so dry that I now have a cold sore. And apparently, the dairy stuff could be working against me anyway.
So I can't use lime the day after I finish using Rephresh. So what should I use the day of? More Rephresh? Would I be better off with Replens?
My doctor retired last year - this new doctor doesn't believe in progesterone therapy - even if you're low. I'm seriously considering finding a new doctor.
I feel like if cut out the progesterone cream, add back in my Cokes, lower my calcium intake, then I'm doing essentially the same things I did when I conceived my 3 boys, ya know? Except for a couple of added supplements that I'm not even sure about.
And then on top of everything else, I screwed something up & took Vitex during AF & now my period which usually lasts 5 days & started on Friday pretty much ended yesterday (just some minimal spotting left)
I guess I really just need to accept the fact that I'm meant to have boys...which I do love, but I will always wonder about the joy a little girl could've brought to my family.

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Don't get discouraged! That's against the "rules" LOL.

Just because there is conflicting info out there, that doesn't mean you can't have a great sway, or even that you ahve to change anything if you feel good about what you're doing. It's just that I want you to be fully informed on both sides. You can still do dairy in moderation on LE Diet, it's just that you have to do it as a part of a 1500-1800 cal, 40-50 g protein, 25-60 g fat (20-30% of your cals from fat), 700-1000 mg sodium, and avoiding excess nutrients by reducing food intake and

The thing you have to keep in mind is that you don't always NEED to do everything differently from when you conceived your boys. You may have to do nothing any different than just getting pregnant. Michelle Duggar had like 6 boys in a row without swaying and then has conceived 5 girls in a row, also without swaying. It probably wasn't the coke or low progesterone that made you conceive boys. That's ok. You just need to pinpoint what REALLY made you conceive boys and address that (if it's still even a factor, because it may not even be a factor for you any more.).

?? it's ok to take vitex when you're on AF. Vitex can make your period lighter. The month before I conceived my girl I had a super light period. That may be partly how it works - it changes your hormones and that can make your AF lighter and screw with your cycle, but that may be GOOD for conceiving. If your cycles have always been one way and you've conceived one gender, then they change, that may very well mean your hormones are in a diff. place than they were.

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Originally Posted by BeadinMom

Okay, so Vitex is out. It was very nice having a short period, but I don't want to screw up my cycle. As for the progesterone, I was hoping it could be part of my sway since that would a) be different than when I got pregnant with my boys and b) would help me sustain the pregnancy when it happens...I know some would still be in my system for a period and my doctor did say he would do blood levels the second I got pregnant. (The problem is, I wish he'd do them now!)
As for diet, for my boys I was super skinny and eating pretty empty calories (lots of cokes)...probably low everything - definitely not much in the way of nutritional and definitely not dairy. Since then, I've gained a lot of weight - thanks to a couple of rounds of steroids for a medical condition that has since resolved...still having difficulty getting the weight off.
Anyway, thank you so much for responding...I do appreciate all the ideas & support I can get!

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The thing you have to understand tho, is that it's not doing X,Y,Z that sways, it's what your body DOES as a result of you doing X,Y,Z. For some of us, we can do all the "girl" things and still conceive boys and for others, the opposite is true as well. Swaying tactics are just ways that the majority of people, the majority of the time, are going to successfully conceive their DG. If you did some of the sway tactics before and they didn't work for you, the answer isn't necessarily to do the opposite, any more than if the Atkins Diet didn't work for you, the solution would be to start eating massive amounts of birthday cake - that would even WORSE, KWIM?? The answer may be to do pretty much what you did before and tweak a few things.