How much does Frequency sway???

I'm starting to think about my sway for this coming month. (I'm not out yet this cycle as AF is due in 2 days, but I got a BFN this morning so figured I should start thinking just incase)

I've been on the diet for 6 weeks super strict - no cheats, nothing! By next attempt it'll be 8 weeks and before that my diet was almost always veggie and relatively 'girly'. All that to say our diet component is strong. My issue right now is frequency. We want to get pregnant - the next 2 months is literally the goal and it basically has to happen for several reasons. (I know it's not a guarantee but both my boys we got pregnant first try so I know we're relatively fertile)

This month we did abstain with one attempt 2 days before O, maybe 3. That one attempt almost didn't happen - DH cannot perform under pressure. With both our other sons we would abstain (not intentionally) for a week and then BD for 4-5 days right through O with max 2 attempts in a day. Some of those attempts almost didn't happen as DH definitely felt pressure. I'm almost confident a long FR wouldn't be possible and he doesn't 'help' himself out ever so that's not an option. I even worry that hurry up FR might not happen and with abstain only giving you one shot.. What are our options? How high on the list for swaying is frequency? We aren't doing much else besides diet, rephresh and antihistamines so we don't have a huge sway as is. So confused as to what we should do regarding the frequency issue!

I don't know the answer for sure, but I do know it's something that I ended up abandoning. I had a strong diet, took all my supps and used rephresh, and had 2 attempts a day apart 3 days and 1 day before ovulation. It worked, I fell pregnant, but I don't know what I'll have. ;) I fretted to Atomic and she said that the amount it swayed would not be enough to "make or break" and otherwise good sway. And in the words of NBP it's all about and overall change, not one or two specific things. :)

Good luck whatever you decide! :) x

frequency would sway (pink) as much as low sperm count does, and the study I read said that men with low sperm count have 6% more daughters or something like that so it's not a big percentage. None of the things that sway do so by a massive percentage, but they probably do all add up!

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

frequency would sway (pink) as much as low sperm count does, and the study I read said that men with low sperm count have 6% more daughters or something like that so it's not a big percentage. None of the things that sway do so by a massive percentage, but they probably do all add up!

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Do we have any idea how much diet sways? Is doing a super strong diet for 2+ months a strong sway already or is it sort of pointless if you aren't adding any other tactics?

Diet sways the most out of everything, so I'd say diet alone is still a great sway if you do it to the letter. :) Atomic will probably weigh in at some point. :) x

if the only thing you do for your sway is diet (plus skipping breakfast) I'd say you have a good shot of getting a girl! your hormones and pH will be lowering, as will body condition and blood glucose, so all of those sway pink

all of the other things will nudge the odds more in pink favour on top of that

Abstain and cutoff is not at all effective for getting pg. If I only had 2 months to get pg I would not even remotely entertain the idea of cutoff, it's not going to work.

I personally do not feel frequency sways much when viewed in the bigger lens of an overall sway. It may sway slightly if people were doing nothing else to sway, but when you start throwing diet, RepHresh, antihistamine in the mix the slight diff. frequency may make falls by the wayside totally (BTW - diet, RepHresh, and antihistamine is actually a pretty strict sway!)

What I would do personally is forget frequency all together and aim for one attempt the night of pos OPK. Keep RepHresh and antihistamine the first month and drop them the second.

giving it to you straight here - if you REALLY only have 2 months to get pg, drop RepHresh, antihistamine, frequency and have more than one attempt. If you don't get pg, you have NO chance at a girl.

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

Do we have any idea how much diet sways? Is doing a super strong diet for 2+ months a strong sway already or is it sort of pointless if you aren't adding any other tactics?

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Diet is the strongest sway tactic there is by far. All the rest of the stuff is just trying to imitate diet. I believe a good diet alone is better than no diet and all other sway tactics in combination.

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

frequency would sway (pink) as much as low sperm count does, and the study I read said that men with low sperm count have 6% more daughters or something like that so it's not a big percentage. None of the things that sway do so by a massive percentage, but they probably do all add up!

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But only if all men are equally susceptible to frequency, and I'm not totally sure we can assume that. I think there are plenty of guys out there who can make a cr--load of sperm with abstain and/or FR. Maybe a better way to say it is frequency could ~potentially~ sway 6%...if that makes any sense!?! :p

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Abstain and cutoff is not at all effective for getting pg. If I only had 2 months to get pg I would not even remotely entertain the idea of cutoff, it's not going to work.

I personally do not feel frequency sways much when viewed in the bigger lens of an overall sway. It may sway slightly if people were doing nothing else to sway, but when you start throwing diet, RepHresh, antihistamine in the mix the slight diff. frequency may make falls by the wayside totally (BTW - diet, RepHresh, and antihistamine is actually a pretty strict sway!)

What I would do personally is forget frequency all together and aim for one attempt the night of pos OPK. Keep RepHresh and antihistamine the first month and drop them the second.

giving it to you straight here - if you REALLY only have 2 months to get pg, drop RepHresh, antihistamine, frequency and have more than one attempt. If you don't get pg, you have NO chance at a girl.

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Thank you for this!! Definitely has changed my plans a little as we are on month two. Was wondering if I should be dropping rephresh and antihistamines so I will most likely drop it or use it very minimally!

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Diet is the strongest sway tactic there is by far. All the rest of the stuff is just trying to imitate diet. I believe a good diet alone is better than no diet and all other sway tactics in combination.

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I just weighed myself this morning and I'm 5'6 and 98lbs. I have lost 8lbs now on the 6 weeks i've been on this diet. I've upped my calories already to closer to 1500 as well as more fat than I was doing before. I really can't stay on the diet much longer so I'm really feeling like this month needs to be our shot. I'm trying to decide whether or not to do frequent release as DH swears he'll be fine doing it for 7 days. If this is lowering sperm numbers then it also lowers are chances of conceiving as well, right? We'd definitely have a few attempts as we only did one last time and regretted it... what to do, what to do! I worry about dropping the frequency as we'd be doing exactly what we did with my other two - however, I was a very boy diet with my first, second I was losing weight but working out 5 days a week for 30mins but I'd say diet was girl-ish. Maybe she just squeezed by :)

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

I just weighed myself this morning and I'm 5'6 and 98lbs. I have lost 8lbs now on the 6 weeks i've been on this diet. I've upped my calories already to closer to 1500 as well as more fat than I was doing before. I really can't stay on the diet much longer so I'm really feeling like this month needs to be our shot. I'm trying to decide whether or not to do frequent release as DH swears he'll be fine doing it for 7 days. If this is lowering sperm numbers then it also lowers are chances of conceiving as well, right? We'd definitely have a few attempts as we only did one last time and regretted it... what to do, what to do! I worry about dropping the frequency as we'd be doing exactly what we did with my other two - however, I was a very boy diet with my first, second I was losing weight but working out 5 days a week for 30mins but I'd say diet was girl-ish. Maybe she just squeezed by :)

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Your BMI is too low too. I am 5'5 and 100 lbs and my dr told me it would be really really hard to conceive with such a low bmi, and so far she has been right. I also worried about fr as we were DTD 16 times before O. This last time I dropped most of the diet (still kept low sodium as I normally love it) and didn't eat read meat (I don't eat red meat anyway) and I still skipped breakfast, but everything else went out the window. We only DTD 5 to days prior O this time and now I am 4 DPO so we will see. However, my dr believes my low BMI would be the cause of me not getting pg because I have always gotten pg with ease and on 1st attempt. Anyhow, you might want to scale back on the strict diet, make sure not to lose anymore weight, and I think it is a good idea to BD somewhere in between what you were doing when you got your DS and a super FR. If that makes sense.....GL

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

I just weighed myself this morning and I'm 5'6 and 98lbs. I have lost 8lbs now on the 6 weeks i've been on this diet. I've upped my calories already to closer to 1500 as well as more fat than I was doing before. I really can't stay on the diet much longer so I'm really feeling like this month needs to be our shot. I'm trying to decide whether or not to do frequent release as DH swears he'll be fine doing it for 7 days. If this is lowering sperm numbers then it also lowers are chances of conceiving as well, right? We'd definitely have a few attempts as we only did one last time and regretted it... what to do, what to do! I worry about dropping the frequency as we'd be doing exactly what we did with my other two - however, I was a very boy diet with my first, second I was losing weight but working out 5 days a week for 30mins but I'd say diet was girl-ish. Maybe she just squeezed by :)

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Yikes! Don't lose too much weight or it will stop O! But I wish you...

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Originally Posted by Thorz300

Your BMI is too low too. I am 5'5 and 100 lbs and my dr told me it would be really really hard to conceive with such a low bmi, and so far she has been right. I also worried about fr as we were DTD 16 times before O. This last time I dropped most of the diet (still kept low sodium as I normally love it) and didn't eat read meat (I don't eat red meat anyway) and I still skipped breakfast, but everything else went out the window. We only DTD 5 to days prior O this time and now I am 4 DPO so we will see. However, my dr believes my low BMI would be the cause of me not getting pg because I have always gotten pg with ease and on 1st attempt. Anyhow, you might want to scale back on the strict diet, make sure not to lose anymore weight, and I think it is a good idea to BD somewhere in between what you were doing when you got your DS and a super FR. If that makes sense.....GL

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Mmmmmm, interesting for sure! I definitely got freaked when I saw the scale as my BMI is now in the 15's so it comes to a point where you need to be healthy rather than girl obsessed! I also was wondering if this low sways boy because dont eating disorders sway blue? And at this point my BMI is basically considered anorexic. I'm definitely upping what I'm eating and were going to go in between abstain and FR just like you mentioned. I hope this was your month - can't wait to hear!

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

Mmmmmm, interesting for sure! I definitely got freaked when I saw the scale as my BMI is now in the 15's so it comes to a point where you need to be healthy rather than girl obsessed! I also was wondering if this low sways boy because dont eating disorders sway blue? And at this point my BMI is basically considered anorexic. I'm definitely upping what I'm eating and were going to go in between abstain and FR just like you mentioned. I hope this was your month - can't wait to hear!

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no, active eating disorders sway pink, but recovering from them probably sways blue more strongly. Perhaps you need a couple of months off to regain should you not conceive this cycle before starting to sway again?

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

no, active eating disorders sway pink, but recovering from them probably sways blue more strongly. Perhaps you need a couple of months off to regain should you not conceive this cycle before starting to sway again?

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Oh, okay... I was clearly mistaken. I wasn't sure how that worked if losing weight and health decline sways pink - wasn't adding up in my head :)
We are really wanting to be pregnant by March so I won't be fully stopping.. just going easier on the sway. I'm adding more cals (was at 1100 for the past 6 weeks) and aiming for 1400-1500 hoping to keep steady at this weight and not really gain (unless I'm not ovulating and it's a must!)

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

Thank you for this!! Definitely has changed my plans a little as we are on month two. Was wondering if I should be dropping rephresh and antihistamines so I will most likely drop it or use it very minimally!

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If I had 2 months to get pg I would drop RepHresh, antihistamine, and timing. If you don't get pg you have zero chance at your DG.

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

I just weighed myself this morning and I'm 5'6 and 98lbs. I have lost 8lbs now on the 6 weeks i've been on this diet. I've upped my calories already to closer to 1500 as well as more fat than I was doing before. I really can't stay on the diet much longer so I'm really feeling like this month needs to be our shot. I'm trying to decide whether or not to do frequent release as DH swears he'll be fine doing it for 7 days. If this is lowering sperm numbers then it also lowers are chances of conceiving as well, right? We'd definitely have a few attempts as we only did one last time and regretted it... what to do, what to do! I worry about dropping the frequency as we'd be doing exactly what we did with my other two - however, I was a very boy diet with my first, second I was losing weight but working out 5 days a week for 30mins but I'd say diet was girl-ish. Maybe she just squeezed by :)

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Yes, FR can prevent pg. Best to DTD every 2-4 days and then have 3-5 attempts in fertile window O-3 thru O day.

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

Mmmmmm, interesting for sure! I definitely got freaked when I saw the scale as my BMI is now in the 15's so it comes to a point where you need to be healthy rather than girl obsessed! I also was wondering if this low sways boy because dont eating disorders sway blue? And at this point my BMI is basically considered anorexic. I'm definitely upping what I'm eating and were going to go in between abstain and FR just like you mentioned. I hope this was your month - can't wait to hear!

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???? No, eating disorders don't sway blue, it may be that some people who are predisposed to having eating disorders may also be somewhat more likely to have boys becasue they tend to be people who like to be in control of their universe. The study I have shows people who have active eating disorders where ovulation is affected and BMI is below normal, have more girls. Also, when people have recovered from an eating disorder, it can sometimes inadvertently sway blue because their body may interpret that as an improvement in condition.

NO ONE TRY TO GET AN EATING DISORDER OR MAINTAIN ONE, FOR SWAYING. Healthy body = healthy baby.

Personally, I would not advise weight loss EVER with that low a BMI. If I had known your BMI was that low I would never have wanted you to lose even an ounce. It's fine to do LE Diet without losing any weight at all. The only people who should lose weight are those who have some weight to lose.

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

Oh, okay... I was clearly mistaken. I wasn't sure how that worked if losing weight and health decline sways pink - wasn't adding up in my head :)
We are really wanting to be pregnant by March so I won't be fully stopping.. just going easier on the sway. I'm adding more cals (was at 1100 for the past 6 weeks) and aiming for 1400-1500 hoping to keep steady at this weight and not really gain (unless I'm not ovulating and it's a must!)

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Not to beat a dead horse but just for others reading this who are not aware, 1100 calories is NOT LE Diet and is not allowed. No lower than 1200 calories and I vastly prefer people to stick to the 1500-1800 calorie range.

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

???? No, eating disorders don't sway blue, it may be that some people who are predisposed to having eating disorders may also be somewhat more likely to have boys becasue they tend to be people who like to be in control of their universe. The study I have shows people who have active eating disorders where ovulation is affected and BMI is below normal, have more girls. Also, when people have recovered from an eating disorder, it can sometimes inadvertently sway blue because their body may interpret that as an improvement in condition.

NO ONE TRY TO GET AN EATING DISORDER OR MAINTAIN ONE, FOR SWAYING. Healthy body = healthy baby.

Personally, I would not advise weight loss EVER with that low a BMI. If I had known your BMI was that low I would never have wanted you to lose even an ounce. It's fine to do LE Diet without losing any weight at all. The only people who should lose weight are those who have some weight to lose.

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I started out the diet at 1100-1200 cals as I only had 3 weeks until our first attempt. Since that attempt came and went I've definitely upped the cals a lots! (1500 for sure) I'm just eating more breaded stuff and candy while keep my protein, sodium etc. in check. With this I am still losing weight - very gradually. I think it's because I literally used to eat 2000+ cals a day easily as I'd snack all the time and we'd eat out a decent amount. Before starting swaying I was a 16.5 bmi so I think my 2000+ cal diet was maintaining that weight and even if I started eating healthier or slightly less (I seriously ate seconds and thirds at every meal) before the LE I would have lost weight. I just naturally don't gain weight easily at all. Don't want anyone thinking I'm trying to purposely lose more weight or that I have an eating disorder because that's totally not the case!! I'm actually upset when I see the scale drop another pound and have actively been trying to stabilize!

And like you mentioned, it must have been RECOVERING eating disordered that I read might sway blue.

I'm confused about why you started out so low... But regardless of that, if you are still losing weight, up your cals again.

A friend of mine is eating 2250 a day eating in an LE pattern and the best LE foods and is only just stabilising at that. I would suggest that if you were eating the way you say you were, a general change in WHAT you eat and WHEN/HOW you eat it, rather than the caloric intake would actually sway quite well enough without losing any more weight.

IMO stressing that much over losing weight when you're already so petite is probably going to undo any good you may have done by losing weight anyway. :)

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Originally Posted by hopingforsaskia

I'm confused about why you started out so low... But regardless of that, if you are still losing weight, up your cals again.

A friend of mine is eating 2250 a day eating in an LE pattern and the best LE foods and is only just stabilising at that. I would suggest that if you were eating the way you say you were, a general change in WHAT you eat and WHEN/HOW you eat it, rather than the caloric intake would actually sway quite well enough without losing any more weight.

IMO stressing that much over losing weight when you're already so petite is probably going to undo any good you may have done by losing weight anyway. :)

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I started out that low because I've never dieted before and wasn't sure how easily I'd lose weight. I know I don't gain super easily, but losing was an unknown. I figured since my attempt was only 3 weeks away the first cycle and everyone was giving me the impression my sway wouldn't do anything after only 3 weeks that hopefully by only having 1100 cals I'd drop a couple lbs to help my body think "times were tough". After that attempt I've gone up in cals a lot. I don't stress about the weight at all, I just worry a little when I see I've lost another lbs because I don't want to stop O'ing.

I'm no nutritionist, so if I were to go back I may have started it off a little differently if I knew I was going to still be around for a 2nd cycle :)

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Originally Posted by MSBLAKELY

I started out that low because I've never dieted before and wasn't sure how easily I'd lose weight. I know I don't gain super easily, but losing was an unknown. I figured since my attempt was only 3 weeks away the first cycle and everyone was giving me the impression my sway wouldn't do anything after only 3 weeks that hopefully by only having 1100 cals I'd drop a couple lbs to help my body think "times were tough". After that attempt I've gone up in cals a lot. I don't stress about the weight at all, I just worry a little when I see I've lost another lbs because I don't want to stop O'ing.

I'm no nutritionist, so if I were to go back I may have started it off a little differently if I knew I was going to still be around for a 2nd cycle :)

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I didn't mean to sound critical!! Sorry if I did! :) you sound like you've done the best you had with the info you had. :) all the best - I hope this month is it for you so you can start eating normally again. :) xx

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Originally Posted by hopingforsaskia

I didn't mean to sound critical!! Sorry if I did! :) you sound like you've done the best you had with the info you had. :) all the best - I hope this month is it for you so you can start eating normally again. :) xx

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No no, didn't take it that way at all! Just don't want people following my lead or thinking starving is the key! :)

i'm hoping its our month too - can't wait to finally splurge on something gross like McDonalds lol!

Mrs. B I hope you know I'm not trying to beat you up in any way! Lots of people read these threads so I always have an eye out for others who may only read this thread and nothing else - I just want everyone to stay safe. :)

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Mrs. B I hope you know I'm not trying to beat you up in any way! Lots of people read these threads so I always have an eye out for others who may only read this thread and nothing else - I just want everyone to stay safe. :)

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I completely understand!! I'm happy you make those comments because I wouldn't want anyone copying my "sway diet". I've always had a BMI in the 16's while eating truck loads.. so a BMI of that for my body is obviously not the same for someone else's body. I'm currently trying to reverse my low cals as I think I may have lost O this month (just for anyone reading!!)