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I'm trying to figure out my sway plan.
I saw on the statistics that there is 90% success rate for clomid when trying for a girl.
I do not need it, it would only be for the way
OPINIONS PLEASE.
Do I still have a good change with out the Clomid and would I have more of a change with it?
No if you dont need it i wouldent use it i concieved two boys with clomid best of luck:pinksperm:
Just<3 one <3 girl, hope you don't mind me asking, when you conceived your two boys on clomid where you swaying? If not where there other factors, diet, lifestyle that may have swayed blue?
A friend of mine uses clomid and she has 3 boys.
I think clomid plus swaying give such good results I can't ignore them. If I can get clomid I'm going to try it
You still have a good chance without the Clomid, HOWEVER, giving it to you straight here, I think it is a great sway tactic.
The trouble with Clomid statistics are that many people who legitimately need Clomid to TTC, are those with PCOS who may be more likely to conceive boys to begin with, and/or are given supplemental estrogen and told to use Preseed and DTD in boy-friendly patterns, and this makes the Clomid look more blue-friendly than it really is (and it's STILL a pink sway despite this, proven by studies and not anecdotal evidence.)Quote:
Originally Posted by love being a mummy
I think Clomid + diet is a great pink sway.
I agree with Atomic....it's the diet side that's hard! xx
I've said this before, I know. I'm a big fan of Clomid, and I do take it to sway. I also have a history of miscarriage and low progesterone, and I've seen Clomid raise my progesterone substantially, which seems to give me a better chance of a healthy pg.
I think Clomid is one of the best swaying techniques out there, but it is a SWAYING technique. If the gender ratio in nature is something 105 boys for every 100 girls, and Clomid overall makes it 105 girls for every 100 boys, and this has been proven in good scientific studies (which it has), there's little question that it's more effective than many of the things we do to sway. But Clomid, like any other swaying technique, will for sure result in a significant number of opposites. The fact that many women have conceived boys on Clomid doesn't mean that Clomid is an ineffective sway technique, though. Any sway technique--be it diet, or frequency, or baby aspirin or vitex, or whatever else--will yield a significant number of opposites. But that doesn't mean it doesn't work as a sway technique--it just means that swaying is never 100%. But Clomid really does increase your chances of conceiving pink over what it otherwise would be.
I think some swayers hope or expect that it will be more effective than it is, given that you need a prescription for it, and given that it taking it carries certain risks (like cancer)--ie, because it is a medical intervention they expect its effectiveness to be more like other medical interventions like HT. And it's not. But it is, still, a very solid sway technique, I think.
For me, a woman with low FSH and low progesterone who is swaying pink, I think taking Clomid makes lots of sense. I think the benefits (I believe it gives me a better chance of holding on to a pregnancy) outweigh the risks. But these risks are not insignificant--they include a greater chance of ovarian cancer, a chance of OHSS (which can even be fatal), possibly a reduced chance of pregnancy (since you have less CM than you'd have without it, you might well have a harder time getting pg at all), more painful ovulation, a greater chance of multiples, and (possibly--studies are conflicting on this) a greater chance of birth defects in your baby. Clomid has been around for a long time, and in general is a safe drug--these risks are small. But they do exist.
I don't know if I would take it if I didn't see medical benefit to it, and were only trying to sway pink. I might, because I think it's a really strong sway. I certainly wouldn't take it only to sway without combining it with other sway techniques (especially diet, but also FR or J&D or limiting the number of attempts--but then my DH has a super-high sperm count). If you take Clomid, and then use supplemental estrogen and Preseed, you might well be undoing some of all of the pink-swaying benefits of Clomid. If you take Clomid and don't do these things, and can't get pg, the Clomid's not going to help your pink sway.
So I do feel strongly that Clomid is a super-good sway technique, but I also don't think it's for everyone.
Thank you girls, this information really helps me in making my decision. The only reason I would take it would be to sway. I have a friend who was on a similar medication because she was having trouble getting pregnant. She conceived during Ramadan (where we fast until sunset), she is now pregnant with twin baby girls.
I'm still back and forth but I think I made the decision to ttc during Ramadan so on top of the diet the first two months before Ramadan and during Ramadan we will be fasting so this will help our sway. I'm going to buy the sway plan but still trying to decide on the clomid. ESPECIALLY because I don't need it.
I'm having so much trouble making this decision. I'm so back and forth. Some days I'm so desperate I'm positive I will do it. Other days I'm think I should just do the other sway methods and if it doesn't work this time try next time with the clomid.
Can you breast feed while on clomid?
No. It is not worth it. You are talking about unmonitored, recreational drug use. Jon and Kate had 6 babies with clomid.
Nobody should be using clomid without monitoring.
I am still breastfeeding my almost 3 year old, and have breastfed her through 2 cycles on Clomid. But then she breastfeeds 1-2 times per day, and is very clearly in the process of weaning herself. My RE said it was safe to do this on Clomid, but I'm not sure how it would be with a younger baby who was actually depending on the breastmilk for a significant part of his/her nutritional needs, and was consuming more milk.
I've taken Clomid for two cycles so far, both times prescribed by an RE, once monitored and once unmonitored. It's fairly typical for doctors not to monitor Clomid cycles if you start on a low dose (usually under 50 mg). I took 25 both times, and responded well (ie, I don't need more than this).
My first cycle (unmonitored) I conceived a chromosomally normal girl, lost sometime between 14 and 18 weeks, possibly due to a CVS, or possibly for unknown reasons unlikely to have had anything to do with the Clomid. I'm currently in the 2WW from my second.
If you want to take Clomid, it should be fairly easy to get an ob to prescribe it--simply go in and say that you've been tracking your cycles and they're super-long or they're irregular and you're concerned that you're not ovulating regularly. You can also say that you are concerned that your luteal phase is short (this is what I said, though in my case it is true, and my day 21 progesterone without Clomid is poor). Many or most doctors will give a prescription for it pretty readily in these circumstances. If an ob prescribes you Clomid, do not expect monitoring--usually only REs will do this. Many many women have taken Clomid without monitoring and have gone on to conceive healthy babies, without complications. But it is riskier--you could have too many follicles and not know it.
One thing you can try is a very low dose--I don't need more than 25, even though the standard starting dose is 50. You can ask for 25, or simply break your 50 mg pills in half. This will lower the risks of OHSS and multiples for you on an unmonitored cycle. If you are really nervous, you could also try 12.5 (break 25 mg pills, or use a pill cutter to quarter 50s). The likelihood of OHSS on 12.5 mg is probably very small.
I'm not saying you *should* do this--I think Clomid carries real, substantial risks that are not to be taken lightly for swaying purposes. But other things that people do for gender selection (such as HT) do carry their own health risks (possibly greater than those posed by a low dose unmonitored Clomid cycle), and only you can decide whether or not it's worth it to you and what you feel comfortable with.
Clomid would be prescribed for a fertility reason presumably after a work up or atleast some awareness of your ovaries. Clomid would never be prescribed for recreational use with no monitoring on a fertile woman.
It's different if you have it for infertility reasons.
And HT is ALWAYS monitored via ultrasound and bloodwork.
I don't want to sound hostile but every time I see this post it makes me worry for those that read it. I cannot, cannot, endorse using clomid without a prescription for liability's sake.
I'm not sure if I sounded as if I implied I was getting it with out a prescription. This post is to decide if I should go to the doctor for it. Granted I don't need it, if I do decide to get it, it will be through a doctor.
I understand your concern though
If there is someone medically aware that you are taking it and knows it is okay for you to do so, go for it. I am "talking" to those that may look to the Internet and purchase it from some random individual without any supervision.Quote:
Originally Posted by inshaallahxx
Just wanted to emphasize that I certainly don't advocate taking Clomid that you've obtained from the internet, or taking it without a perscription.
But there are any number of obstetricians who do prescribe it without doing a complete fertilty workup. There are women on here--I believe--who have requested it from ob's and gotten it--for any number of cycles--with minimal supervision and no monitoring. This wasn't what I did, but in all honesty it does not seem to me to be terribly much more risky than what I did do--getting it from an RE, and then going home and waiting to see what happened. (it's an especially good idea to have your FSH checked before you decide to take CLomid, particularly if you are older or have had fertility issues).
I actually asked for monitoring, and was told that it wasn't necessary, given that I was on such a low dose, and that multiples were unlikely at my age. But being unmonitored on Clomid is still a *very* *very* different thing than taking it illegally, or taking it without medical supervision.
Maybe it's important to mention that what I mean by 'monitoring' is regular ultrasound checks of your ovaries throughout your cycle. So, yes, I personally would take Clomid without monitoring, but I certainly would not take it without supervision (meaning that a responsible medical professional is advising you to take it, and is available to you in case of problems).
I'm leaning towards not taking it and if my sway doesn't work this time then trying with clomid. This post definitely did help. While it does make me want to try the clomid, I feel that it is wrong of me to try with out needing and that I should put a little more faith in god and prayer (and the diet).
I will definitely by a sway plan because I'm already a person that stresses VERY EASY and can be even obsessive.
(aaahhh see I start changing my mind when I think about it too much, now I'm thinking about taking it.)
It does make me feel better though there are many good results from the diet with out the clomid. I also saw that Atomic did not use clomid in her sway as well so that does give me a little more confidence!
Lots of people get girls without Clomid, and lots of people who take Clomid get boys. Like all of swaying, it's no magic bullet. It *is* I think very effective as a sway technique, but it is also riskier than many other sway techniques.
There are other women on here who have taken it without a medical reason (that is, with the intent of swaying) though they did (as far as I know) all get it prescribed by doctors. They seem to have had very very good results, but then LE diet has had good results on its own, too.
It's so so important to do only what you feel comfortable with, and what you think is best for your body. Everyone's level of comfort with risk is different, and the strength of everyone's gender desire is different, too.
Thank you this post truly made me feel 100% better about my decision to stick with the diet. I'm still very young. I will be 25 when we start ttc this July. My husband had testicular cancer and had to have chemo and surgery but we had no problems conceiving our son together. He is also going bald already not only from the Chemo, it runs in his family.
Since I'm moving my ttc date up by 3 months, now I have to decide when to stop my bc and learn to start tracking my ovulation.
My other two boys were BIG SURPRISES and I'm not too sure what I was doing during the time of conception (diet, exercise) but I have a good idea.
I'm about to start a new thread because I have questions about my diet and
So funny because I am looking also into clomid for a sway! I think it is worth it! Use the diet and the sway! And, if it doesn't work who cares! You tried the best possible method the sway and clomid! I wanted to find out what you are doing and I will PM u on this!
Inshaallahxx & GT77 when will you both be ttc?
I did also consider clomid, in fact I got some leftovers from my sister. My biggest concern is twins and the complications that come with it. I hvae decided not to take it. I am not even taking vitex, SP or pep tea bcz it messes with cycle. Relying on going off BCP, diet, baby aspirin, rephresh and zyrtec. One time BD at pos opk :) and praying!
Iīm doing exactly the same. My attempt is in may, so Iīll let you know how is going if I am lucky enough to get pregnant despite all the stuff Iīll do. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cauliflower
I had a really hard time deciding about taking clomid or not. In fact I have it, but my gynecologist is concerned about me to take it outside the standared dose and days (because I asked her about take it late in the cycle to avoid several eggs) and giving to me with the standar dose and days, she canīt guarantee me I wonīt release several eggs if take it. Overmore I was a little scared about some things you can read in some sites about clomid effects, although atomic says itīs probably because people who often take it, is people with some fertility problems to begin with, and it has a lot of sense to me, since probably we all know someone IRL who have taken it and all has gone perfect. Anyway I donīt think clomid is the way to go for me (despite is a very good pink sway and despite I maybe will have regrets!!!).
Iīm on LE diet, but loosing weight slowly because I only have like 7 kg to loose and already have lost 3 kg, and Iīm reserving the last 4-5 kg to lose them fast at the final weeks leading to the attempt. Sometimes I only want to give up and get pregnant whatever gender and forget everything. LE diet is being very hard to me (although is not really so hard, is my way to do it which make it hard :hide:. I want to eat meat, avocados, my dear spanish olive oil, lentils, complex salads with lots of nuts, nutritious fruits..... (and I could continue but wonīt do lol) My diet is every day the same from monday to friday. I know I can do LE diet more variated but for me is easier to stick doing like this. I literally count the days for my attempt on may....My typical day is coffe+aspartame in the morning, chewing gum until midday, a zucchini cream soup and an apple for lunch, a coffe+aspartame in the afternoon , and crackers with philadelphia light for dinner...:rolleyes: On weekends use to eat pasta or rice.
My DH is drinking soy milk every night since 3 weeks ago. Itīs suposed to low T on men, and he has definitively less sex drive, and hope he is producing less sperm by now, which will be released in may (60 days of sperm genesis). On the CD1 of may (my attempt) I will give him LR until I O, as well cranberry and sudafed.
For me, Iīm on anti androgenic BCP and will TTC first month if I am lucky enough to get pregnant. If I wonīt get pregnant Iīll start taking vitex+SP.
The possibility of BCP hormones on my baby scared me, as I stopped BCP several months before conceived my DS to avoid it, but my doctor tell me that BCP hormones are out the body in hours BUT the effects of that hormones on our reproductive system remain (like the CM wich use to take several months after stop BCP to come back to your normal quantity and quality, or your usual hormonal levels to take some time to recover) and I hope it will be enough to me to get a healthy DD. Finally , I will take cetirizine from CD 5 and benadryl from CD 10, aspirin, and will use represh+acijel like lube on my one attempt at positive OPK (with abstinence, donīt know the days, because after stop BCP donīt know when I will O exactly, but hope a 7-10 days abstinence)
Well, Iīm sorry for write so much :oops:, but reading your post I couldnīt avoid to share my sway plan as itīs very similar to yours and didnīt want to read and run, despite Iīm pretty disconnected by now from the forum to avoid too much stress about people doing different things and getting or not their DG....:sad:
My attempt is in may. Iīll let you know how is going. I hope it work for both! :luck:
Keeping my fingers crossed for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cauliflower
Mariposa, so many decisions to make. Sounds like you ave covered all your bases :)
I am planning on TTC next month I think. I first want to see if I am able to get my hands on this clomid. And, like you I may sit on it and not use it. I just want to see if I can get it. I have two appointments one at a fertility specialist that one of my friends used, had a trigger shot she did have longer periods 35 days, and she has a healthy girl. And, the other dr. is my gyn, but I am just unsure if they will give it to me or not, but I am going to try and see what happens. I think if i get shot down on Thursday, I will be better prepared for what I will say next week. I agree with you, twins would be a lot of work since one is a lot of work! I read on here if you drink soy and take clomid you have a higher chance of twins. I also read that if you have them monitor u, u can see how many folicles u have so if you have to many you don't need to try? I am not sure how that works. My DH doesn't want twins and neither do I. I have one boy and I want one girl. But, I am just starting to feel that my strongest chance for having a girl, since I am not doing IVF PGD, is thru clomid & diet. I do not care if I have another boy, because I know I would of gone the extremes going on clomid and I will know in my mind I did everything. I do find the diet hard!! Do you guys have some meal suggestions on the LE? I need to eat more potassium, so tomorrow I am going to up my fruits and veggies and see how that goes! I tried one kind of coconut milk that I hated, so I need to try a new one and find one I like. the question is what is my chances for twin boys!
thank you 2lovelyboys, but you know...nothing is a 100%...well, Iīm trying to do my best (but clomid) and after it, only pray.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by 2lovelyboys
Me 2! Hoping, wishing and praying! We can only do so much, the rest is in gods hands! Need to do enough to be happy and content, put my mind at rest!
Clomid is a reliable pink sway. If you can take it and can use under supervision is perfect. The possibility of twins or even triplets I think always exist even being monitored but Iīm not sure at all. I think that the number of matured follicules donīt always is exactly the number of eggs you release but Iīm not sure about it, so you must ask your doctor. Anyway without clomid we can release 2 eggs , but itīs something we can not control. Twins are amazing, and really love the idea , but I know it will be very hard to me, despite if I get twins I would be very blessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT77
I wish you good luck with your sway!
You can find lot of amazing meals suggestions on LE section:
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/le-diet-info/
This July/August!Quote:
Originally Posted by 2lovelyboys
I have also decided to not use Clomid since my last post on here. I feel much better after looking at other statistics on here for swaying pink and the diet I think is the biggest thing.
Who know I might change my mind from now and July but I more than sure we won't use the clomid
Don't rely too much on diet. I have 2 boys after a weight loss and eating very poorly, and 2 other boys with a pretty girl friendly diet plus breastfeeding.
If I had to pass out any swaying advice, its to change your hormones (CLOMID) and reduce sperm count by whatever means you choose. Diet is a means to an end. It isn't the FOOD specifically. You can do that more reliably with something like Clomid or other supplements. Diet is effective, YES so I am not pooping the diet. I just think its a way of arriving at a destination.
Hope that makes sense! :)
You can have a succesfully pink sway without clomid, but clomid does work. I wouldnīt like someone misunderstand the reasons why I (99% sure) have decided not to take it. Itīs only that -for me-, there are some aspects about it that makes me donīt feel 100% sure about take it, and I prefer to do a strict sway in other ways, despite that in terms of sway, using clomid would be more effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by inshaallahxx
Anyway, Iīll TTC in may, so if I can get pregnant I can tell you both my experience for your sway in july-august, so I can advice: "eh ladies....go on clomid!! lol" if my sway doesnīt work :wink:
LE diet change your hormones too. Probably not so heavy changes like clomid, but hormones change. I think if you conceived your DS after weight loss, it could be probably you werenīt weak at all despite the diet, or your body "felt" you will have enough food still to can rise a baby boy, and probably you are a very strong, healthy and fertile women.Quote:
Originally Posted by harleyquinn
Anyway, I do think that every factor (including diet the most important because change a lot of internal aspects on your body: hormones, minerals...) donīt affect in the same way to all the persons. There are women very sensitive to diet, other are very sensitive to ph, other are very sensitive to hormones... so thatīs why I like to do many things to start, because I donīt know what I am more sensitive to.
Respect sperm count, Iīm with you in terms that I think (and every day more) that men (who have the key, adding the x or y) have a very important part on a sway, and despite we have seen lots of successfully sways without DH help, I think that if your DH sway with you , you are doing great. Men produce 50%x and 50% y and they have similar caracteristics in fast and resistance, but sperm (the liquid) contains A LOT of elements (testosterone, glucose...) which I feel that can make y more "asleep" or viceversa. Probably -like there are more neutral women to these things- there are neutral men, with neutral composition sperm to begin with, which probably are the men who get easily mixed genders families. But woman whit 5, 6, 7 children with the same gender, I suspect one of the big reason could be that her DH have some sperm composition which "stimulate" in some way one gender respect the other....:think:
Maybe glucose levels on sperm have a big role, since we know a male embryo need glocose to develope...why couldnīt assume that y sperm also need? or maybe big testosterone levels on sperm "encourage" the y spermies to be more actives and effective, also we are seeing how effective is LR , specially with one attempt.... Well, donīt know, but I think men also have a big role in terms of swaying and it would be very interesting to find the ways to make the sperm composition more likely to have one gender vs. the other.
Hi Mariposa!
Thanks for the long post :) I am glad you wrote to me. It is good to be in the same boat with someone else. I think you have really thought it through and come to a decision. I have done the same thing. Being daily on this site for 6 months has helped me think through every aspect of the swaying thing and made me more relaxed.
Do keep me updated! PM me if you like!
I am also taking anti.androgenic BCP. I am not concerned abt the drugs because these are hormones that are naturally in your body, just not in that ratio. It is not like clomid which alters hormones. BCP are hormones!
So dont worry. i know lots of people getting off BCP and getting PG first cycle, many of them have girls. I am not solely taking it for swaying. Ia m suffering from hairloss too and thinking it might help.
I have bought a PP, and going to ask Atomic what else I need to do first cycle off TTC, maybe not sway that hard...with already too little EWCM, maybe not a good idea to take zyrtec...
Anyways, I am thinking LE all the time. I am TTC in july-aug, so I have just cut out the red meat, only having chicken once a week, skipping breakfast and getting used to the non nutricious foods. 3 months before TTC I will lower nutrients and calories and hopefully loose 3-4 kg. Get off BCP and FX!!!!
My husband is not onboard, he doesnt even want to talk about another baby, so I hope he is ready till july, he agreed we should think about it then...I was thinking if he would agree to give him LR, but he has family history of high blood pressure, I just dont want to take that risk
I really hope and pray we all get our pink bundles:)
Cauliflower, I think you are doing great! overmore atomicīs help trough the PP would make it perfect! I will let you know how is going to me, of course, count with it!
Respect your DH, since the LR is out because of pressure,have you though about soy? I can guarantee my DH has less sex drive, and even I would say he is like more....flabby? like he would have put fat instead of muscle (and he has a normal weight, he is not heavy) I think soy is not dangerous to blood pressure (but not sure, ask a doctor first just in case) and thereīs so many tastes , so sure you can find one he likes , despite he doesnīt want to talk about sway by now! and if he doesnīt want , you can always give him soy in other forms without he knows.... :hide: if you first ensure itīs not dangerous for his health,of course! so you can work on a low sperm production! good luck! PM if you need to talk with another "anti androgenic BCP swayer" :bigsmile: (in fact, maybe we could open a thread for this kind of swayers since possibly there are more women doing by here :think:
done!
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/tryi...tml#post370173
I think it can be interesting to chat all BCP swayers! :agree:
Yaaaaayyy, thanks Mariposa, ur the best!!!
And thank you for your advice, I will surely consider it. Hopping, wishing and praying for both of us and everyone else!