I just want to cry!!!

So FF just told me I ovulated on CD22 here I am on Cd226 and had no clue until right now. I did see a big temperature shift, but why did my cervix remain low and firm? Why did my opk's remain negative and my ferning microscope showed partial ferning. Why did my cm remain watery and never ewcm? Why me? I can't believe I missed O this month :( I'm so bummed out. What could have possibly caused my cervix to remain low and firm or my opk's negative? Has anyone ever gone through this? I told my dh and he also was pretty upset because he's been abstaining and we actually dtd that day after a 10 abstain, but with a condom because I thought I was going to O like in 4-5 days so we were going to do CFR. Ugh!!! I guess moving on to September, and look at it on the positive side that did indeed ovulate and maybe August wasn't mean for me for a reason...I'm still going to be praying day & night for that future healthy baby girl that my dh and I wish for.

can you link to your chart? you could be coming down with a bug?

The exact thing happened to me when I was ttc this one. I ALWAYS ovulate on CD14 but my OPK's stayed negative, my cervix never changed position and I never ended up getting pregnant. I was quite sure it was the LE diet because my weight and BMI were ridiculously low. FF said I ovulated when I used one method, but if I used another it said I didn't. The next few months I had a really late O for me (CD22 compared to the usual CD14) and my luteal phase got really short (6 days). I ended up having to drop most of the LE diet - as my doctor got me booked with a fertility specialist - that next month I got a BFP (due in Dec). I definitely know from reading that the LE diet messes up a lot of peoples cycles and many people are having to loosen up on it to get their BFP (many of those still got girls though!) so I'm not sure how crazy you were going with the diet, but that can definitely delay O. The month I got my BFP I still noticed no cervix changes and my CM didn't really go through big changes so I don't know if you can always count on that, at least it never worked for me! For the last cycle or so before my BFP I only used OPK's and temping and tried not to take note of any other 'signs' in my body, and FF usually comfirmed O shortly after my +Opk

Thanks ladies...let me see if I can get the chart to upload. I've never uploaded, but here's the link let me know what you all think...TIA

27f44d Ovulation charts on FertilityFriend.com

btw black&gold do you know what you are having? And yes, I've been so strick with the diet and exercise (I finally had a huge cheat meal yesterday lol)

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Thanks ladies...let me see if I can get the chart to upload. I've never uploaded, but here's the link let me know what you all think...TIA

27f44d Ovulation charts on FertilityFriend.com

btw black&gold do you know what you are having? And yes, I've been so strick with the diet and exercise (I finally had a huge cheat meal yesterday lol)

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No, we are team green. I'm kind of assuming boy - DH and I did a crazy strict sway for 12 weeks but after 4 months of nothing and my cycles getting worse we pretty much stopped swaying and just tried to get pregnant. I was doing more boy friendly things that month so I wouldn't be surprised. We always just wanted 3 kids, a girl would be the icing on the cake but I'd be thrilled with another boy too so baby was more important than gender at that point.

One of the first months when I was swaying real hard and it was CD21 with no O in site I had a big burger and fry meal and ended up O'ing the following night. I think that's when I realized my body was starving and losing O! lol!

I just want to say one thing very firmly to clarify - the vast majority of people whose ovulation got messed up on LE Diet were dieting much more strictly than I recommend (and in fact were not really even DOING LE Diet). So if one is doing LE Diet as it is written and not getting BFP, I do NOT want to see people blaming it on diet based on other people's experiences (who weren't even doing LE
Diet) and dropping or cutting back on a good LE Diet. Starvation is not LE Diet.

What used to happen back on IG all the time, was that people would do these really super duper strict sways with chemistry and timing, etc. and then decide that diet was somehow preventing pregnancy and drop diet FIRST before even adjusting to less strict with the other stuff. So they'd trade stuff that didn't even sway and/or really prevents conception, for the one thing that does sway.
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I don't want that to happen here, but I need you guys to meet me halfway, firstly by not starting off so strictly on diet - start off above where you think you need to be and then you can cut back later on, and secondly by letting go of the other stuff FIRST like the jellies and so on. The stats show clearly that those things are not that effective when compared to diet (when you're on it for long enough) exercise, and lifestyle and so they need to go before dropping or loosening up on diet.

Short version of all that - most of the people who had to loosen up on diet because it messed up their cycles were dieting way way too strictly to begin with, so start off less strict, you can always cut back.

bg I'm not totally sure you did O yet, we'll know in a few more days when AF gets here or not.

Thanks atomic I'm still going to be temping. I'm still in the 1800-2000 calorie limits that you recommended, still doing my 60 min of walking/6 days a week. I actually don't prohibit any food except meat, chicken or fish, but yesterday I wanted to indulge so bad after 9 1/2 weeks of LE and had me 3pcs of grilled chicken lol. Back to business ad of today. Is the chart not quite showing ovulation yet? Btw all the open circles are days that I was sleep deprived. TIA

What Atomic said is correct for me, and I definitely wasn't trying to promote what I did (I hope it didn't come off that way and I was just saying my experience as to why I think my O got messed up incase you were doing the same). I ended up finding this site weeks before we wanted to conceive and we had a timeframe, so I wanted to be quite strict so that I could lose at least a pound or two since I was doing it for a shorter time frame (Atomic always recommended against me doing this). My issue is that I already had a super low bmi - 16.8 before starting, and that was with eating probably 2500 cals a day. I weighed a few lbs less when I got pregnant with DS2 doing practically an LE diet and still conceived a boy. For me I wanted to go as extreme as possible initially to hopefully tip the scales.. but it went on month after month as I didn't get pregnant first cycle like expected (with both boys I got pregnant first month). So I just wanted to say I agree with Atomic and in no way want to communicate misinformation. If I were to do it again I'd start way earlier and not go as nuts. I just knew at the time for my body to notice anything I'd have to go more strict as I'm already underweight from doing nothing and live a pretty LE lifestyle already.. and still have 2 boys.

We also dropped all jellies, timing, supps etc. before dropping diet. and still were having problems with my cycle. It was my last thing to be dropped.

thank you! I wasn't meaning that you were saying that, it's really HARD to communicate some of these things (even for me and I do it all day every day!)

I so appreciate you sharing the info and experiences and PLEASE don't ever stop doing that, I just want people to have the best sways they can while still staying healthy and sane and fertile.

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Thanks atomic I'm still going to be temping. I'm still in the 1800-2000 calorie limits that you recommended, still doing my 60 min of walking/6 days a week. I actually don't prohibit any food except meat, chicken or fish, but yesterday I wanted to indulge so bad after 9 1/2 weeks of LE and had me 3pcs of grilled chicken lol. Back to business ad of today. Is the chart not quite showing ovulation yet? Btw all the open circles are days that I was sleep deprived. TIA

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it's because your temps are just NOT that much higher than some of your pre-O temps...it looks a bit see-saw-y and not cut and dry obvious ov.

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I just want to say one thing very firmly to clarify - the vast majority of people whose ovulation got messed up on LE Diet were dieting much more strictly than I recommend (and in fact were not really even DOING LE Diet). So if one is doing LE Diet as it is written and not getting BFP, I do NOT want to see people blaming it on diet based on other people's experiences (who weren't even doing LE
Diet) and dropping or cutting back on a good LE Diet. Starvation is not LE Diet.

What used to happen back on IG all the time, was that people would do these really super duper strict sways with chemistry and timing, etc. and then decide that diet was somehow preventing pregnancy and drop diet FIRST before even adjusting to less strict with the other stuff. So they'd trade stuff that didn't even sway and/or really prevents conception, for the one thing that does sway.
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I don't want that to happen here, but I need you guys to meet me halfway, firstly by not starting off so strictly on diet - start off above where you think you need to be and then you can cut back later on, and secondly by letting go of the other stuff FIRST like the jellies and so on. The stats show clearly that those things are not that effective when compared to diet (when you're on it for long enough) exercise, and lifestyle and so they need to go before dropping or loosening up on diet.

Short version of all that - most of the people who had to loosen up on diet because it messed up their cycles were dieting way way too strictly to begin with, so start off less strict, you can always cut back.

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Atomic, I should have clarified that the people I was thinking of and referring to were all doing way to strict and not what you advised. I know you always recommended I upped my cals and that I wasn't doing the LE but more starving myself so I'm not blaming your information for causing the problems - more the way I took it way too far which I've read a lot of ladies doing lately. I wasn't sure if this lady was one of them so that's why I brought it up. Was definitely not trying to give misinformation - sorry if it came across that way!

no please don't even worry about it at all. sometimes I just chime in when I want to expound upon something and it's not directed at the person who made the post, but it comes off that way. was not at all my intention and I always appreciate everyone who takes the time to respond to threads!!!

looking at your chart, you have dashed crosshairs not solid which indicate that FF isn't really sure... it's that white dot temp that's making it think you've OVed, but a white dot means there may have been an inconcistency in that dot (i.e. you took it at a different time to normal, or had alcohol).

keep up the OPKs, etc

yes and please note how virtually ALL the temps save that one, were similar range to the temps before and after this supposed "ovulation"

Thanks a bunch ladies...I just took another OPK as I hadn't taken one in about 3 days (didn't have the chance to go to the store, but was checking cervix, cm and temping) my opk came out negative, BUT I just checked my ferning and I'm Fully ferning for the first time in who know's how long...also just checked my cervix it doesn't feel that low anymore like the other days I would just touch and it was right there not right now...so I'm SUPER excited now!!!

The only thing that worries me is that I've been stressing a lot these past few days because I thought I was never going to O and because I had a chicken cheat meal yesterday...I hope my sway is still ok if I do O in the next few days plus we are at a 4 day of abstain right now... :worry:

You may only BE ovulating because you ate that chicken so no worries there.

It is always something with swaying - never an ideal month and so you just gotta say, "ok, I have done what I could do" and take a deep breath and hand it over to God/Fate because that's really whose hands it is in, in the final analysis.

You re so right atomic!, I have been praying day and night for our future healthy baby girl and all I can do is leave it in God's hands. I have done my best on the LE and stressing over everything when I know that at the end God has the final decision. I really hope that this is our month (Aug/Sept) so I can indulge in everything lol

:agree: you can do everything ever heard of for swaying and do it absolutely perfectly, and at the end of it all God just says "no". :)

chicken is even allowed in small amounts in the FGD, so in the terms of cheats you can feel no guilt over that one

I think I may have O on cd22 :(

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I just want to say one thing very firmly to clarify - the vast majority of people whose ovulation got messed up on LE Diet were dieting much more strictly than I recommend (and in fact were not really even DOING LE Diet). So if one is doing LE Diet as it is written and not getting BFP, I do NOT want to see people blaming it on diet based on other people's experiences (who weren't even doing LE
Diet) and dropping or cutting back on a good LE Diet. Starvation is not LE Diet.

What used to happen back on IG all the time, was that people would do these really super duper strict sways with chemistry and timing, etc. and then decide that diet was somehow preventing pregnancy and drop diet FIRST before even adjusting to less strict with the other stuff. So they'd trade stuff that didn't even sway and/or really prevents conception, for the one thing that does sway.
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I don't want that to happen here, but I need you guys to meet me halfway, firstly by not starting off so strictly on diet - start off above where you think you need to be and then you can cut back later on, and secondly by letting go of the other stuff FIRST like the jellies and so on. The stats show clearly that those things are not that effective when compared to diet (when you're on it for long enough) exercise, and lifestyle and so they need to go before dropping or loosening up on diet.

Short version of all that - most of the people who had to loosen up on diet because it messed up their cycles were dieting way way too strictly to begin with, so start off less strict, you can always cut back.

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I read this thread because I'm uncertain if my cycle is messed up. I started the LE diet at november 1st 2015 and added 1 hour a day running after two weeks. So I'm now for 8 weeks on the diet and I'm planning my first attempt at 11 januari (I'll be on LE for 10 weeks then). I already lost 12 lbs and I'm having bmi of 18 now. My Luteal phase has been shorter this month. I got my opk positive on 11 december and my menstruation already started on 21 december. Is this something to worry about? I'm also not sure if I ovulated, but I'm not that good with taking my temperature (I couldn't find a proper increase of temperature, only after 5 day post opk). I'm also really soon agitated. Do I now have too low progesteron? And does this sway blue? I'm always eating 1800 or 1850 cal a day and always having 43+ gr of proteine and 50-60 gr. fat a day. What do I need to do? Can I leave it like this and trying to conceive in two weeks? Or do I need something to get my progesteron right (but maybe it's fine like this and I'm seeing problems, where there aren't any?)? Makes me feel uncertain a bit... Thank you for your help!

Once people hit BMI of 21, I want them to put the brakes on weight loss by increasing their cal intake. I don't ever want anyone to drop below BMI 18.5. Those are the LE Diet limits. So we're below the LE Diet limits here really. I want you to increase calorie intake right now to stop the weight loss. Don't regain weight, just don't lose any more.

I don't know how short your LP is but as long as it's 10 days it's ok. It is also possible that you had a short LP in one month but then it fixes itself in the next month. I want you to add in full fat dairy one serving a day, 4-6 eggs a week, and 1 serv. red meat or salmon every week.

Low progesterone DOES NOT sway blue. That idea had no real scientific data backing it up and in fact the more research we do, the whole notion is really just about impossible to be true.

Oh and please don't start skipping months, we need you to get pregnant fairly quickly here so your cycle doesn't get completely screwy.

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Once people hit BMI of 21, I want them to put the brakes on weight loss by increasing their cal intake. I don't ever want anyone to drop below BMI 18.5. Those are the LE Diet limits. So we're below the LE Diet limits here really. I want you to increase calorie intake right now to stop the weight loss. Don't regain weight, just don't lose any more.

I don't know how short your LP is but as long as it's 10 days it's ok. It is also possible that you had a short LP in one month but then it fixes itself in the next month. I want you to add in full fat dairy one serving a day, 4-6 eggs a week, and 1 serv. red meat or salmon every week.

Low progesterone DOES NOT sway blue. That idea had no real scientific data backing it up and in fact the more research we do, the whole notion is really just about impossible to be true.

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Thank you so so much Atomic for your advice!! And thank you for all the great and clear info on the site, it really helps a lot!

My Luteal phase maybe 10 days, if I had my ovulation on the same day as my positive opk, but I'm not sure. When my egg arrived later, then my LP is 9 days or even shorter. I did't manage to take my temperature right, so I'm not sure I have even ovulated...


How much do I have to up my cal intake? I'm afraid I will gain wait when I do too much and I will then sway blue. But I understand for me I need to eat more then 1800/1850 because my weight loss is too much en bmi is too low right now, in order to not screw up everything like you said... I already ate 80 gr. grilled Salmon every week, because I already noticed that I was losing weight so soon. I will add a egg and full fat dairy serving (how much?) a day. How much gr. proteins/fats in total a day, and how many cals in total a day do you think is the best?

So I will do my first attempt somewhere near 11 januari. I'm only on the diet for 10 weeks then, is this still a good sway (not yet on diet for 12 weeks)?
My HB don't wants to do FR (he don't want to do releases at all, only BD without a condom....). He is 37 years old. He is willing to abstain, but I read that maybe he is too old for this (he's in good condition though). What are the best options for us?

Thank you!!

Things like salmon and eggs and dairy are not best for keeping weight on. YOu need carbs to keep weight on. The eggs, dairy, and salmon are NOT to stop the weight loss, they are to help lenghten your luteal phase. So we need to do two different things here - one is stop the weight loss by increasing calories until you stop losing weight (no set limit, just keep eating more till the weight loss stops), and the other is to eat the dairy, egg, salmon combination to help with LP. I think that 50-60 g protein and 50-60 g fat will be good for you.

Yes 10 weeks is going to have to be long enough because in another month you may stop ovulating totally!!!

Just have him BD with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days and then do the one attempt. He can't abstain at 37, it has nothing to do with his condition, it's age, pure and simple.

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Things like salmon and eggs and dairy are not best for keeping weight on. YOu need carbs to keep weight on. The eggs, dairy, and salmon are NOT to stop the weight loss, they are to help lenghten your luteal phase. So we need to do two different things here - one is stop the weight loss by increasing calories until you stop losing weight (no set limit, just keep eating more till the weight loss stops), and the other is to eat the dairy, egg, salmon combination to help with LP. I think that 50-60 g protein and 50-60 g fat will be good for you.

Yes 10 weeks is going to have to be long enough because in another month you may stop ovulating totally!!!

Just have him BD with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days and then do the one attempt. He can't abstain at 37, it has nothing to do with his condition, it's age, pure and simple.

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Thank you Atomic so so much for your help!!! :HH: Will keep you updated when I get pregnant! :-)

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Things like salmon and eggs and dairy are not best for keeping weight on. YOu need carbs to keep weight on. The eggs, dairy, and salmon are NOT to stop the weight loss, they are to help lenghten your luteal phase. So we need to do two different things here - one is stop the weight loss by increasing calories until you stop losing weight (no set limit, just keep eating more till the weight loss stops), and the other is to eat the dairy, egg, salmon combination to help with LP. I think that 50-60 g protein and 50-60 g fat will be good for you.

Yes 10 weeks is going to have to be long enough because in another month you may stop ovulating totally!!!

Just have him BD with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days and then do the one attempt. He can't abstain at 37, it has nothing to do with his condition, it's age, pure and simple.

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Hi Atomic,

Just a update. I feel like panicking right now... I got a positive OPK really late at CD 24 last Wednesday. I was not sure if I really would get a egg because I did not have other fertility signs and also the test was really slowly colouring and the testline was not darker then the other line. But when I saw the tests the day after (that were lighter again), I realized I was testing positive on Wednesday. So we did a attempt on Thursday night. I noticed on Friday morning (yesterday) that my cervix was opened. I really think I have ovulated yesterday.

And there starts my worrying: The circumstances of my sway where really bad the last days, I now think looking back! I did a proper sway for 9 weeks, with really serious LE diet (1800/1850 calls, 60 fat, 43 proteines a day), limiting salt and exercise by running 1 hour a day 6 times a week. But last month my LF was really short and my BMI became too low.


So I upped my calls from the beginning of January by getting more carbs. I upped it till 2200 calls, because I was doing every day 1hour running and was not sure how many calls I should take to stop the weight loss. I ate 60 gr fat and proteines (including eggs and full fat dairy) a day to lenghten my LF also from the beginning of January (before was 43 gr. proteines, 50-60 gr fat). Now I didn't expect to ovulate at al anymore this cycle because it was so late in my cycle. In this phase I let go too much of the diet, due to a course I had to take for work (and also because of frustration not getting a egg...) the days prior to O and the attempt.

Also in the other weeks I was doing 7 days a week running 60-70 min running. But this last week I skipped Monday and Thursday totally from exercise and Tuesday and Wednesday I only did 1 hour bicycling, because I had to take a course for work. At this course I ate too much salt, proteines and fats. We did a attempt on Thursday and the next day I found out my cervix had opened. I really think I ovulated at this moment. I then checked my weight and found out I had gained 1,2 lbs!!!!

OMG!!!! So, after such hard weeks where I restricted myself for a higher purpose and pushing myself for running 6-7 times a week, at the most crucial moment I managed to ruin everything. I'm sooooo afraid I'm now swaying boy........ (because of me taking to much of proteines, fats, didn't do the everyday exercise as I did the weeks before and also before already for two weeks was back eating eggs, greek yogurt and stuff).
Also on Monday evening we had unprotected sex, so it is two times in the fertile window.... I hope most of the sperm from the Monday attempt was already dead Friday.... (?)

I'm crying a lot today, I think I screwed up and am now swaying blue!! I think I will have regrets the rest of my life if I will get pregnant with a boy now. I think when I did a good sway and then it turned out to be a boy, I would have more peace of mind, knowing that I did everything I could and now that isn't the case, because of this bad timing of eating the wrong things and skipping exercise and the unplanned gaining of weight.....


Only thing went well is skipping the breakfast and having 2 meals...

So Atomic, how bad is it... (be honest please... )?

(note on the day of our attempt -Thursday- I ate 73 (!) gr. proteines and did not exercise.., the next day had my ovulation, how does this work on the egg and the potential fertilization?

You didn't damage your sway IMO. Those are small things in light of the bigger picture.

Could you post all your charts? I'd like to see when you are actually Oing.

Thank you Maidenmother for sharing thoughts with me on this!! I am taking my temp, but don't keep a ovulation chart. My two little boys wake up a lot in the early morning and go to sleep afterwards, but I get up a lot, therefore my temping is not accurate..

Darn!

I can tell you that you WILL most likely eventually O. Especially since you upped cals/nutrients. You can't get AF unless you O, do it will happen. Hopefully doon. And I really don't think you've ruined your sway, or are swaying blue, but I think you should get pregnant as soon as possible! Maybe BD every 4 or even 3 days so you make sure you have a good opportunity to catch that next egg?

Thank you Maidentomother!

Maybe you're right and I didn't ovulate on Friday. I got a darker test on Saturday as well, but when I was reading on the Site of the brand of my OPK (Sensitest), they wrote that sometimes you get another positive test after ovulation, so I thought it must have been that. But when the temperature raise didn't came the following days (although, like I said, my measurements are not that accurate), I thought that I might not ovulated yet. So I followed the advice that you gave me, BD every 4 days. Last BD was Thursday, so yesterday (Monday) we did another attempt, I was noticing some EWCM, so thought I might be fertile!

I was concerned if I wanted to give it another go, because when I thought that I ovulated on Friday and screwed things up the week prior to this attempt, I had a cheatday last Saturday because feeling so awful about my 'blue swaying' attempt. I had a lot french fries, cake, chocolate. I needed a break after the disappointment. Also I started only exercising on Sunday and Monday (yesterday) again. After the cheatday on Saturday I ate within the borders of the LE diet on Sunday and Monday. Also my weight was again back to 54 kg, I was happy about that. So I decided to give it a go anyway, despite the cheating and not exercising from Thursday until Sunday.... I hope it would be enough. I was seeing some EWCM, so I thought I might be fertile now and didn't want to skip it, than I would have to wait another month...

I had one more point of concern. During BD yesterday, I was planning not to have a big O. I never told HB, that this is important. So he was trying to give me some pleasure too. I was telling him briefly that I didn't want it, that I was having a good time without 'the work of his hands' (omg, sorry TMI....), but he was very pushy about me giving also pleasure. So at one moment I was furious, didn't want him to spoil everything with the attempt. So I got really angry with him, and shouted not too be so pushy. OMG don't know where that came from (yeah I know it's because I wanted to do the best I could with the attempt after al the other swaying factors that were far from optimal, so having a big O was something I wanted to stick to...). Anyway, I noticed when we went on that I was actually stayed really angry with him... And I stayed afterwards, also being fucked up and nervous that I put my Testosteron sky high with this anger, but couldn't do a thing about it.... I thought maybe I could beter have the big O, instead of being so furious in the end.... :-(

I hope it's a good sign that my cycle is being messed up like this, with ovulating so late and that it will be enough to sway Pink in the end...
Today I got ill, with diarrhea and stuff, really can't stand on my leggs. So not capable to go for exercise. I hope I can return to my daily running pattern tomorrow, like I did so devoted most of the weeks....

I'm glad to hear you've been doing E4D. I think your sway continues to sound very strong, the only aspect that potentially concerns me is how anxious/obsessive you seem. I would try to relax a bit, maybe let go of some of those minor sway factors like big O. Just focus on diet, exercise, and E4D and try not to stress about the rest.

It sounds like you needed a cheat day and cheats are REQUIRED so I'm glad you had one! You are doing great hun.

Oh and yes, messed up cycles are pink friendly and nothing is TMI here, we all understand!

Thank you for your quick response and help again Maidentomother, very sweet!! Helps me a lot!! I think you're absolutely right about me being too anxious/obsessive. I find it harder to let go, because my cycle is so unpredictable at the moment and it makes me so uncertain and keeping monitoring. I will do the every 4 day BDing until AF or until I get a raise of temperature, hope that gives me some peace of mind! And will focus on diet and exercise and less on the other factors. Again, thanks a lot! XX

Awww thank you I am very happy to help at all. I have OCD myself so I completely understand. My O has always been unpredictable but is extra so since swaying, I O a bit late normally but even LATER now, it is sooo frustrating so I have a lot of sympathy for you. I've had issues with my partner's BD attitude and performance...I really get where you are coming from! TTC is bad enough, with swaying on top it can seem overwhelming.

Oh and BRAVA for swaying with little ones. I know many pink swayers have a little boy or two while swaying but I don't have children yet so I admire you amazing mamas who accomplish so much!

Hahah, never been official diagnosed with OCD, but could definitely be the case here as well! ;-) That's what probably makes me a boy mom... Also this 'project' of swaying Pink makes it hard not to be too obsessive, because all the things you have to monitor. Don't want to eat too much, need to weight everything, need to get the right amounts of fats, proteins, not to gain too much weight, not to loose too many anymore, want to notice the differences in CM, cervix height, doing all the OPK's, not want to miss the egg... It's something I go to bed with and get up in the morning (Like yeah, really first thing in the morning, just even before getting up -by sticking the thermometer in my behind LOL), so really difficult for me not to get obsessed... So happy and grateful that there are people on this board like you who totally understand!! Also because noticing that the only people I told about swaying (hubby, my sister and a dear friend) lost me like already months ago... Hahah, and I understand that. So very nice and supporting to be surrounded here by people who understand! XXX

You're right, TTC is already obsessive, add on swaying and it is even more obsessive. And you can't 'try' to relax, which is a struggle for people who like to be in control.

Unfortunately many people if not most don't support swaying, I have only one real life friend who knows and is supportive. I got horrible responses from a close friend and my brother (our parents are dead). I am sooo thankful for this site and other swayers like you.

Btw, I didn't mean to imply you actually have OCD, just trying to convey I understand anxiety and obsession very well! You seem within normal range to me, you would probably know if you really had OCD, it's only if it interferes with your ability to function that it's truly a disorder. I think most boy moms are normal, just have OCD 'tendencies'. Basically just a personality quirk, like being introverted or shy etc.

Hi Maidenmother! So painfull to get negative responses to the Genderdreaming! Especially from your brother and best friend! I hesitated to tell another friend, but am glad I decided not to, because already my sister and best friend, although they understand to some extent, think I'm crazy for doing al those swaying tactics. And I need to defense myself all the time for continuing the diet and the exercising. I understand they are worried for me getting to thin, but they know me al long time and know I'm not the person for a eating disorder. This is just something I would want to do for a couple of months for the higher purpose..
I didn't read your post like you were thinking I had OCD, no worries about that! :) But it make me laugh, because I felt myself that I do have OCD tendencies, recognize certain elements for sure! Made me think about a article Atomic wrote about the personalities of boy moms... That was confronting! LOL

you did not harm your sway AT ALL. Everything is fine, I think you are in with as good an attempt as anyone.

It is fine that you ate more while exercising. Exercising and diet work together so you should be fine. If you had stayed so restrictive, you wouldnot have ovulated.