GD vs IG websites...

Please forgive me if this is an inappropriate question (I'm new here) but is there a rivalry between gebderdreaming and ingender? I've looked at the ingender site and they talk about "that other website" or "the site we can't talk about". Are they meaning this site? What gives? What's the main differences between the two? More women seem to succeed here after failing there. I wonder what the philosophical differences are?
Thanks. Again, sorry if I'm not supposed to talk about this, or if I'm bringing up bad stuff. I'm just curious

Nope. Not rivals. They don't mention the name so they do not "advertise" our site on there because they are afraid they will lose more users.

We just have a VERY different approach to swaying.

They lost me when they say you can see the difference between XX and XY sperm using a kid's microscope purchased from Toys R Us. I can't handle that level of fiction.

A few years ago, the owner of that site decided to take a break and did not maintain the site and it constantly crashed which made it unusable. A couple of us then decided to make a website with better information, fact-based swaying info that we thought gave people the best chance at conceiving their dream gender. There was so much incorrect information on the old site, that I simply could not take it anymore and if you posted anything to question it, it was not appreciated at all.

So, GenderDreaming was created and we feel our approach has a solid scientific basis behind it and gives you the best chance possible to succeed.
Ingender vs. GenderDreaming Swaying. What

No rivalry just different swaying approaches.

I'm sure someone else will chime in if I'm wrong (and please DO!) but this is how I understand it:

Most of us in the beginning, atomic included, came from IG. Atomic was kristendoggirl there, and her original Trivers-Willards essay is still posted on the IG sway forum. Atomic and Tamara, the woman who heads the IG sway forum, are actually friends. But atomic wanted to do her own sway forum based on her own research and observations. In my opinion, this is what separates the two the most. The IG sway method has not changed in all this time, they don't really try to keep track of what works or doesn't, and I tend to think they're a bit caught up in the "dogma" of swaying, like the irrefutable "truth" that high salt sways blue and high pH sways girl. GD is very flexible and changes with new evidence. The ladies here try their best to keep track of what is working and what isn't so that the sway can evolve into the most effective, least intrusive method of conceiving your desired gender.

IMHO, the reason that GD is referred to as "that other site" is because it's successful. There have been lots of other "rival" sites for both swaying and gender disappointment, but this one has been the only one to actually hang around for more than a couple of years, and to boast a decent sway success rate. Maureen, the woman who owns IG, has stated that we aren't to use IG to promote other sites, and that's been the rule since IG started, but I've noticed that this is only strictly enforced when it comes to THIS site. Apparently, even mentioning the name of this site is enough to get your post removed or deleted.

I still visit IG occasionally, and a lot of us do because we miss some of the people who didn't come over here with us, but I do think the LE diet and GD sway is a better one overall.

I was on IG years ago, I was told about it by a friend. But it was during the whole crashing episode and you couldn't be on the site for more than 2-3 minutes without having issues. So when I happened to google something, this site popped up and I liked its format (non-crashing) better.

There are many differences, the first being the sway approaches. This one is less extreme, not as much push toward "unnatural" methods (turkey basters, cocktails of lime and sperm, etc). Additionally, the site operators are right out there with us, which is really helpful. I find the community here is super-supportive, there is less sway comparison and more solid support. <~~opinion!!

I don't think there is competition, but I haven't been on IG in years. I'm sure they just don't mention this site because it does often run opposite of some of their swaying suggestions.

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Most of us in the beginning, atomic included, came from IG. Atomic was kristendoggirl there

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You mean to tell me that Atomic's first name is NOT Atomic?? That just ruins my entire image of her...you know a badass chick with, like, a superhero cape who fights untruth of gender assumptions. Cause Atomic DOES sound like a superhero name ;) (Lol)

Not all superheros wear capes.

Personally I have been on both. My last kiddo was a IG fail sway. I love the overall feel and support here much more...jusy my opinion.

No not at all, the subject is taboo on there for reasons that are totally unclear to me, but it is fine to discuss here.

I have a thread about the origins of the site and the philosophical differences here:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...sh-anyway.html

Basically, the IG site was originally a nice place and I met a ton of great people there who I am still friends with to this day (including Tamara). Then something happened behind the scenes, and it was not being maintained. No one knows why or what happened but for 2 years it was overrun with trolls and crashed constantly and there were even some issues where people tried to buy memberships to the site and they had to file Paypal claims to get their money back because the site just didn't work. There were rumors that the whole IG site was going to be deleted, and Nuthin was kindly willing to take a chance for all of us and get this site up and running so we had a place to go. (thank you!!)

I was happy to come along for the ride because I was dying to have the opportunity to start fresh with swaying in a more safe and sane and science-driven way and I felt like the environment on IG was toxic for people and aggravated gender disappointment.

For reasons that are highly confusing and to be honest a little bit hurtful, when we started this site, even though IG was not even functional at that point, we were treated like traitors or competitors. They immediately instigated a rule that we couldn't even mention the name of our site or anything about it. It was very weird because other sites had not had that happen, only this one, so it was kinda hard not to take it personally. If anyone mentions anything having to do with Gender Dreaming, it's immediately deleted by the mods.

At the beginning of this site (represented in the earlier essays esp. from 2011), since most people were coming from IG, I do accomodate some of their sway beliefs in my earlier essays. Furthermore, I have explanations about not doing things "the IG way" and occasionally I was a bit more sassy about this than I should have been and I regret that in retrospect. It's really it's not any rivarly on my part, it was more that I felt like I needed to explain things, in light of the IG philosophy to people who were primarily coming from IG, if that makes any sense.

Thanks! I was curious.
It seems that a lot I mothers succeed with their sways here after experiencing an opposite at IG. Why do you suppose this is? More weight seems given to diet here, while there it seems to be pH. ?

If you read the links both atomic and I posted, it tells you what the differences are.

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Not all superheros wear capes.

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Says the mommmy who got her baby boy. I myself was corrected by my son. Go figure. I am still waiting to share my princess knowledge. Learning superhero names and then their real names was a challenge :)

IG still exists? I was on there when I learned my first DS was gonna be a boy in 2008. I have been interested in HT since the beginning. When I found out DS2 was well DS2 I needed to start HT research and IG was not functional. My extra special account didn't work, ect. Someone was kind enough to send me a PM with the name of this site. I have never looked back. To be honest I really cannot believe it still exists. Monica was MIA and there was no maintanence.

Didn't Dr. Potter jump from there to here? I thought he was intagrual in making a copy of that site in case it crashed.

Yes IG still exists :)

I do find it funny that there are a lot of women on the IG sway forums who are swaying with the LE diet. Apparently, it's okay to talk about the LE diet, but not Gender Dreaming itself. Sorry that I didn't know about your involvement, nuthinbutpink! Thanks for making the site we all love! <3

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IG still exists? I was on there when I learned my first DS was gonna be a boy in 2008. I have been interested in HT since the beginning. When I found out DS2 was well DS2 I needed to start HT research and IG was not functional. My extra special account didn't work, ect. Someone was kind enough to send me a PM with the name of this site. I have never looked back. To be honest I really cannot believe it still exists. Monica was MIA and there was no maintanence.

Didn't Dr. Potter jump from there to here? I thought he was intagrual in making a copy of that site in case it crashed.

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Dr Potter didn't create anything here. I asked him if he wanted to participate and of course he said yes!

Who wouldn't want to jump on board with you NBP? I have always wondered why you are still so active on here when you are done TTC (I assume). I didn't realize that this too is your baby. Very well done my dear. Many women thank you!

Yep. I'm the HBIC. It's gone from a hobby to a full-time job keeping the lights on here. I understand why "Not-Maureen" checked out over there but no plans of that happening here. I knew all about IVF but I asked atomic to come with me to handle all of the swaying info.

Maureen- that was her name. I was thinking Monica.

yes, I am as subtle as a heart attack.

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Thanks! I was curious.
It seems that a lot I mothers succeed with their sways here after experiencing an opposite at IG. Why do you suppose this is? More weight seems given to diet here, while there it seems to be pH. ?

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I think our focus is on keeping what works and dropping what does not, whereas they try to keep in everything including old wives' tales and things that have been fully debunked. So not only are they doing less effective sway tactics, but the attention to detail and "control-freak" can undo otherwise good sways because of the Maternal Dominance Hypothesis.

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...ypothesis.html

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I do find it funny that there are a lot of women on the IG sway forums who are swaying with the LE diet. Apparently, it's okay to talk about the LE diet, but not Gender Dreaming itself. Sorry that I didn't know about your involvement, nuthinbutpink! Thanks for making the site we all love! <3

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I allowed them to continue to use my original Trivers Willard blog rather than deleting it. So the LE Diet/HE Diet is on their site as well (in a very primordial form)

NONE of this would be here without Nuthin!! :heart:

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IG still exists? I was on there when I learned my first DS was gonna be a boy in 2008. I have been interested in HT since the beginning. When I found out DS2 was well DS2 I needed to start HT research and IG was not functional. My extra special account didn't work, ect. Someone was kind enough to send me a PM with the name of this site. I have never looked back. To be honest I really cannot believe it still exists. Monica was MIA and there was no maintanence.

Didn't Dr. Potter jump from there to here? I thought he was intagrual in making a copy of that site in case it crashed.

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Just between all us close personal friends here, the idea that Potter was in some way "the puppetmaster" behind this site was a rumor started by a couple of people who had an axe to grind against Potter or an interest in seeing this site fail. Totally untrue.

A lot of us started out on IG (myself included) and I am SO thankful to have ended up here. The information here is thorough, backed by science, and easy to follow and understand. A lot of the stuff on IG is OWT and info that isn't completely accurate.

I also really like the environment here-- lots of friendly people, tons of support. I haven't been on IG in a long, long time.

I am sure that the main reason my sway worked was because I followed the information here (vs. doing an IG style sway). I thank Atomic for all the research she has done to make this site what it is for swaying! And I thank NBP for all the hard work she has done to make this site so wonderful. I know I have you guys to thank for the fact that I have my 16 month old son!

Most of IG stuff is out of date, last time most of it was updated was in 2011 when I was trying to sway the first time and failed to get pregnant and my health got worse due to some of their methods.

My "unsuccessful" BUT VERY MUCH LOVED girl sway using IG principles is currently at school...
My SUCCESSFUL GD girl sway is currently sleeping on my chest. :)

For me...that's the difference :)

I am an old IG member too. I haven't been back in years. The overall tone of IG to got be mean. Their were a lot of exclusive people, if you posted on their thread they would ignore you. People could be just mean and the trolls & technical issues...forget it!

This sight overall is so much more supportive, and practical.

When it comes to the swaying info it falls into that category that I have run into a lot lately of "are you going to believe what someone tells you because they had what you want, or are you going to sit down and think about it and see which one makes more sense?"

Unfortunately when we want something so badly like our DG we'll do just about anything and believe just about any hokey pokey idea that someone deemed an 'expert' tells us.

When I really sat down and thought out the GD swaying theories vs the IG swaying theories, the GD made so much more sense. I am in the medical field and I know a fair bit about the body and the GD theories are just more sound and plausible overall.

I had 2 failed IG sways and 2 failed sways from the forum that IG originated from…..never seen success like you see here. I have been on swaying forums since 2000.

I found this site from IG. I was only on it a couple of days but I'm staying here due to the simple fact that people are responding to my posts and answering my questions. Just for that I'm staying here :)

I have been linked to IG through google searches but have never been a member. Can't say I feel as if I am missing out. I LOVE it here!!

Back in 2010/11 I was a lurker on a site called Plumlily. Does anyone remember it or know if it was an offshoot of IG? I remember it just disappearing one day but I didn't know where to find the info I was after. I am sooo glad that I found this site though, everyone is so supportive, understanding & everything is thought through scientifically & reasonably. I could never get my head around tactics like splime, as I know for a fact my Mum didn't get me & my sis that way! :)

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Yes, another IG member started it right before we launched. She couldn't afford to keep the site going so she shut it down.

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I had 2 failed IG sways and 2 failed sways from the forum that IG originated from…..never seen success like you see here. I have been on swaying forums since 2000.

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THERE YOU ARE! I was wondering where you went! Good to see you, glad to hear you are going to sway for a DS!!!

I was a part of Plumlilly. It was a nice website with a good overall atmosphere but Lizzy couldn't afford it. Gender dreaming is my swaying home now!

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I found this site from IG. I was only on it a couple of days but I'm staying here due to the simple fact that people are responding to my posts and answering my questions. Just for that I'm staying here :)

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I try to answer all questions even when it takes me a few days, if ever I don't reply give me a bump!! :)

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I try to answer all questions even when it takes me a few days, if ever I don't reply give me a bump!! :)

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You have been awesome Atomic! Thank you! I really believe I'm going to have a daughter after reading all the info here and talking with you.