just ranting a bit

SOOO after doing the diet/supplements/etc...for months upon months...we had our first attempt and I am now (according to FF, 4 DPO) This morning before I got out of bed, I had about 10 minutes of really bad ovulation-type pains and it then went away. On a whim, I took an OPK and it was positive? My temp is still elevated at 98.38 after being at 97.3 on supposed Ovulation day. What the heck is going on...am I ovulating again even though my temp has been elevated since the first time? Any thoughts?

hi txmom! Did you get a clear positive OPK from days ago already? Like from 4 days ago that correlates to the FF calculations?

Because with OPK's it's the FIRST + one that counts. Depending on brand, manufacture, ink saturation, who knows what else sometimes it takes days for OPK's to fade out. Are you checking CM/CP too? Between OPK's and CM/CP you can usually lock down O pretty well even without temps.

FF's calculations aren't always accurate, and yes it's the most frustrating thing in the world when they change the crossbars later!

I don't know if you're trying to do O+12 timing but if you aren't, then go again tonight just to be sure. Otherwise go with the first +OPK being your O.

I got a pos OPK in the am on Saturday(Super dark lines) and DTD that evening...the next evening the OPK was negative...no line at all...then this morning(supposedly 4 DPO)...there's a positive...confused a bit :)

Ok that is confusing!! LOL!

Do you have a link to your FF? And do you chart your CM/CP?

I'm thinking Sat is possibly a false LH surge - it certainly happens. And today might be your body revving up again to pop out that egg. So, if timing isn't part of your sway, DTD tonight for sure.

IME FF can be really thrown by false surges. I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's exactly what's going on.

I think sometimes your opk can pick up a corpus luteum surge. For that same reason some people get ewcm around that time also. I think.
Try not to stress:) sounds like you got your one attempt in;)

Good Luck!!

I guess it's confusing because temps dipped and I supposedly o'd at the normal time. Should I attempt again since it's been more than 4 days in case this is the "real" ovulation?

Yes - definitely go again tonight!! You don't want to miss the egg if you're ok with not doing O+12.

And FF is showing dotted lines anyways, which means even FF isn't really sure 100% in their prediction. Things might very well change in a few days with your chart and you don't want to miss the real O if today is it.

Thanks :) It's just so different than a normal "ovulation" THe pains this morning lasted ten minutes and have not returned...usually I'll be in pain a whole day and into the night. Also, TMI but when I wiped after going to the RR there were specks of what I am assuming was dried blood? I don't know what's going on...our bodies are so complicated. LoL Thanks for your input!

P.S. I guess we'll make another attempt?! Hoping that's the right thing :D

Since it's been over 4 days there's really no harm in another attempt, just to ease your mind.

I get random +opks all the time though and ovulation pain is in no way a good indicator of ovulation, as it can happen before, during, or days after O. If you took accurate bbt then it seems you have already O'ed. Only bbt can determine That O had passed, opks just detect leutenuzing hormone, suggesting you might O soon, but leutenuzing hormone is used by your body for many other things, even men can pee on a stick and get a positive OPK at times.

Your body might release 2 eggs in one cycle but they're always within 24 hours of each other, not days apart. Hope that helps!

Yes, go again tonight! GL!!

And no you won't O twice in a cycle 4 days apart. What happens often though is that your LH surges.....but isn't quiiiiiiiite enough to get the egg to pop.....so then it gears back down, and tries again later. Sometimes it happens multiple times. Once I had a cycle with 3 false LH surges and no O at all, ended up being a stupidly long 42 day anovulatory cycle. Which can happen and is perfectly normal too. Our bodies are just weird and unpredictable that way, LOL.

That does help, thank you :) For giggles, I took another OPK and there was a line but not near as strong as the control line and my temps have stayed at the higher temp (current temp is actually higher than my norms) so I'll assume that I did O already....

I would totally dtd again! There's no harm in doing it every 4 days. From everything I've read on the boards, your body still counts that as 1 try in the fertile window.

when in doubt, have another attempt. First one may have been a faker.

Positive opk in the a.m....technically negative at night and this morning(both had two lines but the second line was not as strong)...hoping I didn't miss my window, if indeed this was my true attempt?! Do you have a specific number of hours after the positive OPK to BD? Better not stress about it though LoL There's always next month!

No, it is different for every person in every month.

Keep in mind, when things don't work out with a sway (which is ALWAYS) it may very well have been a higher power's way of giving you a helping hand. Sometimes we get pg when we don't mean to or miss a month accidentally. It's best to file these things under "meant to be" in your mental filing cabinet because sometimes we boy moms try so hard to outwit nature that we outwit ourselves right out of good opportunities when they come dressed up differently than the way we expected them to.

Does the positive OPK in the a.m. and the negative one at night and this morning still give me a shot this month if we BD'd last night?

The rate at which OPK turn pos and neg. really tells us nothing, sorry, it's a question I cannot answer.

One last question...if my temp does not go back down lower as with a normal ovulation...are the crampy/ov pains just "aches and Pains" without the ovulation? Temp HAS to drop with ovulation?? My temps have actually been higher the last two days, so I was just curious Thanks!!

No, temp does not have to drop with ovulation. It does for many people, many months, but htere is no LAW that makes that happen. That's why you're looking at the overall pattern and never any one day's temps, even if it looks like a temp dip.

If your temp stays up then my money is on that you Oed the first time. If it rises still higher, then I"d bet the second one was the actual deal. No way to know until a few days have passed

I think you might have released a second egg. I know supposedly that it Isn't possible to release 2 eggs days apart but it has happened to me! From charting I know my temp usually rises after the first egg, just like yours did. Then I often have another LH surge followed by another round of O pain. Like you, my O pain usually lasts several hours but months with 2 eggs, the secondary O pain, if I feel it, can be briefer. Usually if it's much shorter/milder it means I Oed from the opposite ovary. For whatever reason my right ovary is much more painful, it's also my dominant ovary. If both eggs came from my right, the O pain is really bad and can last days if it overlaps.

Last month was hyper O for me, with a second LH surge after my first went negative. If you like I can link my FF chart so you can see. All my confirmed hyper O months are labeled.