Been TTC A DD for 6 months and where to cut back on swaying...

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July 22nd, 2011, 01:24 AM
Chunky Monkey

Been TTC A DD for 6 months and where to cut back on swaying...

Hi! We've been TTC a DD for 6 months now. Our first month was an okay sway, but since then, we've done shallow penetration, JND, 5,3 and 2 day cutoffs. I've cut back on sodium, red meat, added more dairy and cranberry. There are a few others we've tried. But I'm still not PG :( It took 1 try each with my DS's who were both concieved the day of of day before O. I fully understand that each pregnancy is different and that because I got PG quickly with my first two, I might not with my third.

But it doesn't make it easier. So now I am left with deciding what to continue and what to cut out. I've used RepHresh every month TTC. I would like to stick with a 2 day cutoff but maybe not JND. Here is what I'm thinking about doing:

- Use RepHresh the day before attempt with a 2 day cutoff
- Missionary, DH on top, prop hips for 10 min or so.
- Stick with more dairy, lots of cranberry, lower sodium diet.

And that's about it. I don't know what else to do. ANY and ALL advice is welcome and appreciated :)
July 22nd, 2011, 07:57 AM
nuthinbutpink

It has to be the cutoffs. Your DH's sperm just may not be making it that long. FWIW, unknowingly, I JND with all my girls. I DTDthe day before O ) with frequent(daily) BD starting after AF leading up and then my husband was too tired by O so I think we always ended up with a one day cutoff and then the day after I O we DTD again, LOL!

You cannot have a DD without getting pregnant and timing is the least effective way anyway when it comes to swaying. You have to do what you can live with but maybe just avoiding O day will help get the sperm to the egg!
July 22nd, 2011, 01:51 PM
atomic sagebrush

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Originally Posted by Chunky Monkey

Hi! We've been TTC a DD for 6 months now. Our first month was an okay sway, but since then, we've done shallow penetration, JND, 5,3 and 2 day cutoffs. I've cut back on sodium, red meat, added more dairy and cranberry. There are a few others we've tried. But I'm still not PG :( It took 1 try each with my DS's who were both concieved the day of of day before O. I fully understand that each pregnancy is different and that because I got PG quickly with my first two, I might not with my third.

But it doesn't make it easier. So now I am left with deciding what to continue and what to cut out. I've used RepHresh every month TTC. I would like to stick with a 2 day cutoff but maybe not JND. Here is what I'm thinking about doing:

- Use RepHresh the day before attempt with a 2 day cutoff
- Missionary, DH on top, prop hips for 10 min or so.
- Stick with more dairy, lots of cranberry, lower sodium diet.

And that's about it. I don't know what else to do. ANY and ALL advice is welcome and appreciated :)

I~personally~ would keep the J and D and scoot the cutoff one day closer. But what you suggest, dropping J and D while keeping cutoff will also help. Are you guys doing abstinence or frequent release, or just the cutoff?? If you're abstaining, you might want to try frequent release.
July 22nd, 2011, 01:51 PM
zanacal

Sorry it's taking so long, you must be so fed up now.

Are you only making one attempt each month? I would keep up with the Rephresh and other stuff but maybe DTD every day from AF to 1 day before O. Do you use OPKs and how do they usually work out for you? I'm planning on a 1 day cut off (because I want to get pregnant but give the Rephresh enough chance to work) and I know that means DTD on the day of my first OPK. If you want to stick to only one attempt each month then perhaps move it up to the day before O.
July 22nd, 2011, 01:51 PM
atomic sagebrush

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuthinbutpink

It has to be the cutoffs. Your DH's sperm just may not be making it that long. FWIW, unknowingly, I JND with all my girls. I DTDthe day before O ) with frequent(daily) BD starting after AF leading up and then my husband was too tired by O so I think we always ended up with a one day cutoff and then the day after I O we DTD again, LOL!

You cannot have a DD without getting pregnant and timing is the least effective way anyway when it comes to swaying. You have to do what you can live with but maybe just avoiding O day will help get the sperm to the egg!

Thanks for sharing your experiences! That is very helpful!!
July 23rd, 2011, 12:44 AM
Chunky Monkey

Thank you to each of you! Zanacal, I have been using OPK's every month and I chart my results of that. I do not do temps as I am up at different hours and I don't think it would be reliable. However, I know I can't tell exactly when I O, but I always get a = OPK and the next evening I get bloated and a good amount of cramping. And from my charting, I have O'd right on schedule each month. We haven't tried abstaining since I got PG with DS 1 that way. We've been doing every other day up until 2 day cutoff most months. We had a 5 day cutoff one month, due to DH's work schedule, not due to our TTC schedule :( Then we had a 3 day cutoff thinking it was 2. The rest have been 2 day.

I know I shouldn't complain, as 6 months is nothing to some, and I am very thankful I was able to get PG naturally with my DS's. I just get frustrated sometimes. But I know all I can do is try, try, try again, so here we go :) Thank you!
July 23rd, 2011, 06:59 AM
Mochagirl

I'm sorry chunky monkey - I can't imagine your frustration. Here I've been bellyaching about not getting pregnant my first month and you've been at it 6! I agree with everyone else - I'd drop the cut off first. We're doing frequent bd up until I get a positive OPK (using a digi so I can be sure), then we dtd one more time then stop. For me, this works out to a one-day cut off, since I almost always O within 24 hours of getting my positive. This month we dtd about 12 hours before O, by my calculations.
July 23rd, 2011, 12:39 PM
atomic sagebrush

Would you be willing to try Clomid?? That will sway pink and help you get pg.
July 25th, 2011, 01:01 AM
Chunky Monkey

Thanks for the replies! Mocha, I am too nervous to DTD any closer than 2 days before O. That is only because I concieved my DS's the day of and day before O. But it is frustrating to not get PG and it is hard on all of us, no matter how long it has taken. I am upset at 6 months, but there are many others who have been TTC 1 and 2 years! But that doesn't make mine or your frustration and disappointment any less.

Atomic, I don't know much about Clomid, but as long as it is safe, I would try it. The one thing I have heard is that it ups the odds of twins. I would be totally ok with that, but I don't know about my DH. I don't think I can go to my Dr. with it being only 6 months, especially since we are not DTD on O day. I don't know how long you have to be TTC to see a Dr. about it. What should I say if I call to make an appointment?

Because I can't do the diet full out now, I know I am already starting at lower odds :( So I need to do all I can otherwise!
July 25th, 2011, 03:18 AM
zanacal

If you don't want to DTD any closer than 2 days then I would ditch the JND and/or switch to frequent release. GL x
July 25th, 2011, 03:59 AM
swish

I don't know where you live but in the uk you have to have been Ttc for a year before the doctor will give you clomid
July 25th, 2011, 09:58 AM
Out of the Blue

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Originally Posted by Chunky Monkey

I don't think I can go to my Dr. with it being only 6 months, especially since we are not DTD on O day. I don't know how long you have to be TTC to see a Dr. about it. What should I say if I call to make an appointment?

Every Dr. is different but you could try w/the vague approach of "We've been actively TTC for 6 mos straight" and see where that takes you. It could be that it's all the Dr. needs to hear.

Sending you lots of :luck:
July 26th, 2011, 12:41 AM
Chunky Monkey

I guess if I don't get pregnant this month, I will call to see what they suggest. Our attempt is next week so I am trying not to stress :) I plan to not do JnD this time. I'll keep using the RepHresh and do parts of the diet.
July 26th, 2011, 02:43 AM
swish

Hi cm, you may have already seen it but atomic said she would drop, in this order 1. Timing 2. Jellies 3. J and d. Don't know if that's useful to you, but thought I'd let you know!!!
July 27th, 2011, 12:38 AM
Chunky Monkey

Thank you swish! I would love to have the confidence to drop the cutoff but I'm just too nervous to since that's how I got my DS's. But I am dropping the JnD and keeping the RepHresh but no jellies. I am also not going to use Zyrtec but (maybe TMI) I have had a lot of CM already, leading up to ovulation. But I have to stick with a solid plan, however any advice is appreciated very much!!!
July 27th, 2011, 03:59 AM
swish

Good luck, fx for you, you've waited long enough!!! X
July 27th, 2011, 12:45 PM
LolaInLove

Hey hun, just wanted to tell you GOOD LUCK! I've been at it for a year now, with 2 m/c thrown in there for fun. I will tell you that I conceived my DDs on O+12 (unintentionally).....I was doing the cycle method, and I was sure that I had Oed and my egg was gone, so I know it was late in the game. Also, my DH was a frequent releaser in a solo manner, if you kwim, but we just dtd one time. I had just had a chemical for the first, and it was the first cycle after and first time we dtd, and the second kid came about from my just getting home from a trip for 2 weeks. I KNOW he was, erm, releasing while I was gone frequently. I hope that helps, I don't know if you ttc pink gals do the O+12 much anymore, but that was my timing both times.

Oh, and about the Clomid- I just took my first round. I told my very cool lady OBGyner that I wanted to try it. She gave me the twin talk also, and even said that since I do O on my own, it might even be a bit higher chance for me, but she said it was worth a try for a few months. I don't know if your doctor is open to that kind of insistence from his/her patients, but you could ALSO fudge a bit and say you are not sure you are ovulating....they may want to do a progesterone test about a week after you supposedly O to see if you did, but nothing wrong with that. But my doc's thinking was that MAYBE it would help my ovaries put out a good mature egg versus a crap one that keeps getting me m/cs....although that is not proven in medicine to be a reason for Clomid, it still was worth a shot to both my doc and I.

I hope that helps. Keep your chin up, CM! xxoo
July 27th, 2011, 05:39 PM
queen-of-harts

I wanted to say that I got pregnant with my first 5 boys by dtd the day before o and the day of o.With ds 6 we did frequent (with condom) and then did our attempt with a 2.5 day cutoff. I really think timing is of little importance imo.I used to feel like i got my boys because we bd so close to O but having my last child really changed my mind and made me realize that other things are way more of a factor.
July 28th, 2011, 01:33 AM
Chunky Monkey

Thank you for taking the time to share your stories! I tried O+12 one month, but would completely be open to trying again. Lola, I really hope the Clomid works for you this month! We were both TTC at the same time earlier this year! My DH's work schedule has made him less frequent, but we haven't abstained either. I think when you try for more than a few months, you do get to the point where you are really ready to be PG, so it's easier to drop certain things, even though you know they are important.

Queen, I have to start by saying you have quite a handsome group of brothers! I completely agree about the timing thing, I am just too nervous to DTD any closer. I have always heard "do the opposite of what you did to get your boys/girls" and I just can't muster up the nerve. I have eaten potatoes 2 x this week and a normal amount of protien, so I have things working aginst me. I will probably end up just throwing it all out the window at some point, I'm just not ready to yet :) But I will make an appointment about Clomid if I don't get PG this month. I pray and hope we all get our DG soon!!!!!
July 28th, 2011, 11:47 AM
LolaInLove

I do agree with Queen, even though I did O+12 both times, I have seen enough FF charts and personal stories to believe that timing doesn't really matter also. I think what matters is having hostile cm, a low T level, and "malnourished" environment....and I had all of that when I conceived my DDs. Wishing you so much luck, it's about time for us to get our bfps, huh?
July 29th, 2011, 12:16 PM
atomic sagebrush

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Originally Posted by Out of the Blue

Every Dr. is different but you could try w/the vague approach of "We've been actively TTC for 6 mos straight" and see where that takes you. It could be that it's all the Dr. needs to hear.

Sending you lots of :luck:

Exactly. You don't have to mention any of the rest of it, they don't need to know.

Clomid is one thing that we know for a fact does sway pink. And it's really quite safe. If you can get some (while under the supervision of a doctor), I suggest going for it!!!
July 29th, 2011, 12:22 PM
atomic sagebrush

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Originally Posted by Chunky Monkey

Thank you for taking the time to share your stories! I tried O+12 one month, but would completely be open to trying again. Lola, I really hope the Clomid works for you this month! We were both TTC at the same time earlier this year! My DH's work schedule has made him less frequent, but we haven't abstained either. I think when you try for more than a few months, you do get to the point where you are really ready to be PG, so it's easier to drop certain things, even though you know they are important.

Queen, I have to start by saying you have quite a handsome group of brothers! I completely agree about the timing thing, I am just too nervous to DTD any closer. I have always heard "do the opposite of what you did to get your boys/girls" and I just can't muster up the nerve. I have eaten potatoes 2 x this week and a normal amount of protien, so I have things working aginst me. I will probably end up just throwing it all out the window at some point, I'm just not ready to yet :) But I will make an appointment about Clomid if I don't get PG this month. I pray and hope we all get our DG soon!!!!!

Just want to point out that O+12 is not going to help most people get pg. If you do want to toss in an O+12, do it WITH a cutoff and not instead of one to up your odds of pg.

Even if you do throw out everything else, I do hope you will keep it up with the diet. The thing that makes me break out in a cold sweat is people giving up on diet (proven) because it's taking so long to get pg with timing (not just unproven, but really DISproven.).