For PINK: what's the 'best' way to...

Ok, so Im trying to work out whats the most succesful way in BDing to conceive a pink bundle.

All of my friends have a DD, and most after a DS. Its interesting to see how they conceived their DD and whether their is truth in timing/cutoffs etc or is it purely coincidence?

So 3 ladies got their DD after 1 or 2 DS & all of them DTD ONCE with abstaining for a week with at least a 5 day cutoff.
3 others I know DTD every SECOND day, starting around a week before O and had a 2 day cut off.

I was reading articles from a leading IVF Dr recently and his new found theory is that instead of abstaining and DTD on O day, its better to get rid of the sperm from the testicles every day, 5 days prior to O. (His theory is that its better to have lower sperm with better quality opposed to more sperm with lower quality). He has a very high success rate with males ejaculating daily rather than once and the dominant gender with this technique is males.

My 2 DS were def conceived by DTD on O day.

So just want to see what worked for pink mamas. Afterall, I might only get once chance at making it work :)

Thanks.

I'm sorry, I was on the pill when I conceived my DD so I can't help you. :( But I would love to read that article you mentioned..... Are you saying that he said that with the men releasing daily the dominant gender produced were males?? Thanks! FWIW, I've noticed that timing (unless its O+12) is the least important sway factor....

Ill try and find the article for you. Its basically talking about the success rate of getting pregnant by ejaculating every day opposed to abstaining. I remember reading that out of the same clinic where they use this method, 53% are boys and 47% are girls. He never confirmed that it was the method, I guess its just coincidence.
I have 3 friends that fell pregnant from this clinic, using the same method and all 3 have boys! :)

that article sounds interesting

in your friends case it was probably the abstaining that caused the pink sway and not the timing (not seen any proof that timing sways either way, and I've read quite a lot of studies on it). IMO it's coincidence, as the odds of a girl/boy are 50-50 each time for most women!

definitely think abstaining/frequent sways in some women

I have looked through 431 FF charts for frequency/abstain, half boy pregnancies and half of them girl pregnancies, considered the BD nearest to O and found this:

girl boy
frequent 4-7 days 28 (12,9%) 36 (16,8%)
frequent more than 7 days 8 (3,68%) 11 (5,1%)
abstain min. 7 days 15 (6,9%) 10 (4,67)
BD every other day 52 (23,96%) 62 (28,97)
2 days in a row 46 (21,12%) 39 (18,22%)
3 days in a row 30 (13,8 %) 17 (7,9%)
less than every other day/
more than 1 no BD day 29 (13,3%) 37 (17,29%)
twice a day (one day) 8 (3,68%) 2 (0,9%)

I don´t know if the differences are statistically relevant, did statistics in university but I forgot.
Hope it helps.

Oh, I see the tabs disappear in the thread, the first number and % is for girl, the second for boy.

here's a study that specifically studied timing and gender ratio:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99512073332301

interestingly more girls than boys were conceived on O day, and slightly more girls on O-1

Indira - so your research suggests that BD 2-3 days in a row but not more and not less are best for swaying pink then?

I actually think it's very difficult to look at one factor in isolation because there are so many factors which come into play, whether somebody is swaying or not.

If the report you mention is by an IVF doctor, then surely the patients he is seeing have fertility problems, so I imagine timing isn't the only thing they're doing to help them to conceive.

I asked Atomic about timing studies where it shows more girls around O and she had a good point, that if lower fertility sways pink it's likely that those couples would only be able to conceive right on O because they just weren't fertile enough to conceive with a cut-off.

I think abstaining and frequent release are both valid for lowering sperm count and swaying pink but they're not the only things we do in a pink sway to that end - antihistimines, lowering pH, hot baths for DH - all contribute too. It's because we'll be doing all those things that I'm not planning a long cut-off!

The first few weeks after I found out about swaying I worried about what our timing should be a lot - but as time has passed I've become far more relaxed about it and I'm happy for our attempt to be the day I get a +OPK and not to have to stress about something which probably doesn't matter anyway!

what % of women in general have fertility issues? the timing studies would likely be on women who DON'T have fertility issues - women who want a girl - who probably already have sons which might show that they don't have fertility problems?

... which would make the studies even more useless, if they used women who already had several of one gender! I don't imagine they would do that. I'm pretty sure that with the Oxford study they were all first time parents but I don't know about other studies - that would make the most sense to me though. I don't think lower fertility would necessary mean fertility 'issues', just that a girl might be more likely.

I did mean fertility issues when I was talking about studies by the IVF doctor though!

ah, just checked the Method and it does say they recruited women who were planning to become pregnant (didn't mention previous children) and "Women were excluded if they had a serious chronic illness or if they or their partners had a history of fertility problems."

Oxford study says this:
"Nulliparous white women with no medical problems (including obesity) were recruited from a district general hospital in the south of England at their first antenatal clinic visit early in pregnancy (approx. 14 weeks gestation). Regardless of their medical history, all pregnant women in the region were referred to these clinics by their family physician; stratified random sampling was used to ensure that the proportion of smokers in the cohort represented that in the local population."

Sorry rainbowflower, I think I've confused you, I wasn't talking specifically about the study you posted a link to - there were several other studies I read which came up with the same results and I was talking in general about these :D I'll re-post Atomic's response as it was in the dream-member section:

'Now to the timing factor. I personally believe that timing does not matter one iota as you know already and there are tons of studies done on timing and none of them agree in any way. But, here is why we might possibly expect to see a bump in girl conceptions at O even if timing does not matter. For couples who are not very fertile, it may very well be the case that they can ONLY conceive right at O. That's the only time they're fertile enough to conceive. If a guy has weak/few sperm or a gal has hostile or very little CM, they are more likely to conceive a girl from the get-go and if they DTD with a cutoff or at O+12, they simply wouldn't get pg at all.

For the rest of us Fertile Myrtles out there, we can conceive fairly easily from DTD 2-3 days before O and some of us even longer in advance. Due to enhanced fertility, we might be more likely to conceive boys and since most people who are TTC have intercourse at least once prior to O. So a very fertile couple who DTD 2 DBO (or even 5!!) might very well have more of a shot at conceiving a boy than a less fertile couple who DTD spot on at O. That does not mean that there is any mystical or hormonal benefit to DTD on O for a highly fertile couple and in fact that might be the exact wrong thing for them to do.

In fact, it seems well within the realm of the possible that the variations we see in results from timing studies may have been nothing more than a set of couples (virtually all the timing studies are ridiculously small sample size so 2 or 3 couples could skew the entire thing) who were a little more or a little less fertile than a different set of couples in a different study.'

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Originally Posted by Deux Bleus

Ok, so Im trying to work out whats the most succesful way in BDing to conceive a pink bundle.

All of my friends have a DD, and most after a DS. Its interesting to see how they conceived their DD and whether their is truth in timing/cutoffs etc or is it purely coincidence?

So 3 ladies got their DD after 1 or 2 DS & all of them DTD ONCE with abstaining for a week with at least a 5 day cutoff.
3 others I know DTD every SECOND day, starting around a week before O and had a 2 day cut off.

I was reading articles from a leading IVF Dr recently and his new found theory is that instead of abstaining and DTD on O day, its better to get rid of the sperm from the testicles every day, 5 days prior to O. (His theory is that its better to have lower sperm with better quality opposed to more sperm with lower quality). He has a very high success rate with males ejaculating daily rather than once and the dominant gender with this technique is males.

My 2 DS were def conceived by DTD on O day.

So just want to see what worked for pink mamas. Afterall, I might only get once chance at making it work :)

Thanks.

The two methods for TTC pink are abstaining for 7-10 days with one attempt (which is what your friends did) OR frequent release of at least once a day, for at least 7-10 days. NOT 5 days. The IVF doc is right, frequent release for only 5 days does not sway as hard as 7-10 days frequent release would (although it certainly does not sway blue and anyone who wants a boy would be well advised to ignore that all together in favor of BD 2-4 days apart for best results with blue). Some pink swayers are doing frequent release every day from AF-O which would be 14 days frequent release.

In addition to frequent release some people are even having their husband release twice on the day of their attempt, dumping the first batch and using the second batch. Also unlike the people in the article, pink swayers are already doing many, many things that are bad for sperm and conception to begin with so to compare the two groups in terms of results is really like comparing apples to oranges.

So I hope it's clear that the method the IVF doc describes is really not the same as the frequent release that we use here on this site.

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Originally Posted by Deux Bleus

Ill try and find the article for you. Its basically talking about the success rate of getting pregnant by ejaculating every day opposed to abstaining. I remember reading that out of the same clinic where they use this method, 53% are boys and 47% are girls. He never confirmed that it was the method, I guess its just coincidence.
I have 3 friends that fell pregnant from this clinic, using the same method and all 3 have boys! :)

That is BARELY different from what the gender ratio is anyway.