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hi everyone,
we are starting the process of deciding whether to do HT or swaying. my local RE does sperm spinning which i know is only about 75% effective. has anyone thought about doing this in conjunction with swaying? i would do the LE diet, exercise, supplements,etc and then IUI at positive OPK. is this a crazy thought?
Smarston3
I'm thinking of doing sperm spinning. We have a consult appt in a couple of weeks.
Are you talking about errickson?
I'm thinking of doing sperm spinning along with swaying.
I would love to hear what you are gonna do. Have you had a consult yet?
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Btw you swaying boy or girl ?
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We are swaying girl. So, went to our local RE who does HT GS but also sperm spinning. Sperm spinning can be added to IVF/PGD for $500 or with the IUI. At out consult, we discussed IvF/pGd because I don't think I could handle an opposite with sperm spinning but wondering if I would have greater odds doing it with swaying
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Since it has never been proven to work, I would never waste money on it. I'd sway or do full on IVF, depending on your situation. I think either will give you a better shot at a girl than sperm spinning, though obviously IVF with PGD is the only gaurantee. A strong pink sway with strict LE diet + daily cardio (60+ min) for 12w minimum, then one attempt when TTC, has a good chance of succes (probably as high as 90%), but it does require you to be very disciplined...without being obsessive, a potentially difficult balance. If you can get Clomid or Femara, that will further boost your odds of pink.
Smartson we are swaying girl as well.
We thought about doing IVF/PGD but it seems too involved and expensive.
The doctor we are considering does sperm spinning with IUI for $1200 for each cycle ( it can take up to 6 cycles to get pregnant)
Can you tell me what they told you their success rate is for TTC pink?
Also did they offer clomid as part of their sperm spinning ?
Let me know what you decide to do since I'm in the same exact boat.
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At Maidenmother I think someone answered my question about not doing any excercise and seeing if that's ok.
Can you tell me what you think of no excercise?
Thanks
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I think if you're strict on the diet for 12w but sedentary and have one attempt, you're already very likely to get a girl, I'd say 80%. If you do diet + exercise for 12w and have one attempt, that's about 90% chance. I haven't done the math for exercise without diet and we don't have many cases of that to draw conclusions from...but if you exercise I think you can be a little less strict on the diet and may have a better shot sooner (I.e for you, TTC after 8w on both strict diet + exercise would be a lot stronger than just diet).
I do think exercise is a great tactic, plus you can eat more while exercising bc of all the cals you burn. Many of the girl moms did endurance cardio.I particularly think if you can do over 60 min, like 90 min, even just some of the time, and 6-7 days a week, that sways very pink. That kind of exercise has so many effects on the body (blood sugar, insulin sensitivity, body fat %, hormone levels, etc) and it affects you mentally, too. I think it really helps tire/chill out the obsessive/anxious boy mom types. So I especially recommend cardio, as long and as close to daily as possible, for any higher strung pink swayers who need help relaxing. And if you've never done that type of exercise before, then I REALLY think it makes a difference, as well.
Thanks for the response and info maidentomother
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I second this! As a former micromanaging/control freak boy mom, the LE diet + exercise has TOTALLY mellowed me out! I am nothing like my former self! Seriously, I would add the exercise if this even remotely describes you.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidentomother
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Question - does he do this with Clomid? Because Clomid for us is getting 75% just on its own and it's my personal belief that any apparent effect of sperm spinning is probably an artifact of the Clomid and not the sperm spinning doing anything.
The problem with IUI is that it's quite lower odds of conception. IT's a miracle for people who really cannot get pg on their own without it, but those of us who can, it's much lower chances and considering the cost of each go-round, I personally don't think it's at all worth it.
Some people have thought about swaying with sperm spinning and if you're going to go that route, I would def. throw some sway tactics at it. You'll need to be careful though, not to cut odds of conception too far. Many of the supplements are not going to be appropriate for you and you'd have to be verrry careful not to go overboard with diet and exercise or you'll stop ovulation and then you'll have a big pain in the butt to get it going again.
Hi everyone,
RE's paperwork states sperm spinning is 75% effective for conceiving both genders. Anyway, trying to explore all my options. If $16,000 fell out of the sky, we won't have this problem. Haha. I've wanted a DD since I was a little girl. But, my sister in law is expecting the first girl for both sides of the family and it's killing me. DH and I were reading about embryo donation yesterday as well. We need to make a decision which way we want to go so we don't waste precious months
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Smartson is $16000 the cost for IVF/PGD?
We were quoted minimum $20k where we live and that's too high.
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$10,000 is ivf. $2,250 for pgd...so, figured the rest for meds
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That's a better deal that what I got I think.
Are you in the states?
Can anyone tell me in what forum I need to post to find about locations in my area that perform IVF/PGD that people have used. ???
I got discouraged when they told me starting price is 20k.
16k sounds a lot better.
Thanks
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Btw Smarston3 what are they telling you the cost of sperm spinning with IUI is?
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$1200. It's only $500 if you add on to ivf/pgdQuote:
Originally Posted by kitbedit
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I'm confused on why one would need to add sperm spinning to IVF/PGD.
$1200 is the price I got too for 1 cycle.
Did the tell you on average how many cycles it would take?
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I think you add it to ivf/pgd to limit how many opposite embryos you end up with. We did not discuss sperm spinning at my consult. I just have the info they included in the ivf/pgd paperwork
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Because it is possible to go into IVF/PGD and come out with 10 XY and no XX. Some think sperm spinning might help make more XX.Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbedit
Well, there's lots of conflicting data out there but I have read quite a few studies that indicate that spinning may work for XY sperm because they use certain washing methods on the sperm as a part of the spinning procedure that sways blue, and also because IUI itself can sway blue.Quote:
Originally Posted by smarston3
Whereas the data I have seen indicate that the sperm spinning for a girl may not be actually doing anything but may be a result of the Clomid.
So I left out a bit of the equation there in the interest of time and preventing confusion since I knew you were interested in a girl. Personally, if those numbers are even accurate, I don't buy that it's the spinning for either gender, but that it's the chemistry of sperm washing and IUI for the boys and the Clomid for the girls. I just don't like to see people throw money at sperm spinning when the results of pg are so low. 75% does NOT mean that 75% of the ladies who have the procedure done get their desired gender, it's that (MAYBE because this has not been studied enough IMO) 75% of those who get pregnant get their DG.
Atomic why would the results of pregnancy through IUI be so low?
And by low do you have any numbers.
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thanks so much for your info!
i would be very interested to know if he used clomid with sperm spinning. i need to get in contact with the office.
Because they take your husband's sperm and do all this stuff to it totally artificially and then shoot it up there with their fingers crossed that they are getting it in there at the right time. It is totally possible for them to do it too soon or too late, and with the spinning it can make the sperm "tired" and less able to be able to fertilize the egg.Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbedit
It's common knowledge that IUI, esp. where sperm spinning is concerned, is lower odds of conception. I'm not here to try and prove my case or talk you into or out of anything, I'm just letting you know that is what happens.
It is the common procedure so I would suspect that they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by smarston3
Atomic so you think it's common practice to give clomid as part of the spinning and IUI?
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One of my IUIs I didn't even ovulate. On Femara, but the doc thinks I triggered too soon. I triggered on CD 9 and got AF on CD 17.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
The Anchor,
how many cycles did it take for your IUI to work?
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I've a fresh transfer and a FET (IVF) and 2 IUIs. No success.
Hope it works for you soon The Anchor.
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Yes. Some use injectibles but in at least a few studies I have seen, they did Clomid + trigger + IUI for a girl, and then for boys they did timed intercourse (they waited for O and then did a trigger when it was coming close) and IUI. I believe this explains a lot of the supposed results with the spinning.Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbedit
THat happens quite a bit and one of the reasons why I don't love IUI as a general rule. The clinics work around nights and weekends and other people's appointments and it is just all too easy for htem to get the timing wrong. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by The Anchor
Atomic
So Are you saying as part of spinning and IUI for a boy they give clomid as well ?
Im a little confused on what a trigger shot is.
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A trigger shot is what makes you ovulate, have the trigger which is a needle in the belly and you will ovulate in 36 hours time.Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbedit
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Here's what I'm thinking about sperm spinning now. What if we get an opposite. I would be pissed! More importantly, I would be wondering if I would have gotten a girl on my own swaying..atomic is your crystal ball back from the shop yet?! Hehe
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Nothing is guaranteed even a sway.
It's a lot cheaper than IVF and if it increases your odds to %70-%75 I personally don't mind doing it.
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It depends on the clinic's unique protocal but I have read many studies where they DON'T give Clomid for those who want boys. They wait till the egg is ready to "pop" on its own and then give a "trigger shot" which causes ovulation to happen within a given time span, then do IUI at that point (trying to hit ovulation).Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbedit
Thus - many of the statistics that these clinics quote are NOT based on their own results, but on these studies (which I have read) and many of these used the following protocol:
Clomid + trigger shot + whatever spinning they do + IUI for a girl.
Trigger shot + whatever spinning they do + IUI for a boy.
See the difference there?? Not all the clinics are doing this but I have read many studies where they did exactly that.
I have a very good friend who spent many thousands of dollars on Microsort (which is MUCH more effective at weeding out X and Y sperm than sperm spinning) and got a 92% X sperm sort with it. Got an opposite and it was absolutely devastating for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by smarston3
THe problem is though, that in the end, it tends to take SO many more cycles than IVF to get pregnant that people who go this route often spend as much or nearly as much as people do on one round of IVF and don't get pregnant. And let's say what if you spent that money, did 6 cycles, got pregnant on the last one and got an opposite??Quote:
Originally Posted by kitbedit
I am not trying to push ANYONE to sway at all. I just hate to see people think they're getting something when it's being misrepresented. IF you want a baby of a particular gender and you can't handle an opposite, do IVF/PGD. IF you can't afford that, I think swaying, esp. with Clomid or Femara, makes a heck of a lot more sense. But it's up to each indivual person what they want to do and feel comfortable with.
Oh and PS, there was a woman on here who was going to do sperm spinning with a pretty big name outfit and they did her IUI 3-4 days before she ovulated. It is IMPOSSIBLE for washed sperm to live 3-4 days. This clinic took her money (and this went on for months BFN after BFN) and they did her IUI at a point in time that she could not possibly have gotten pregnant with it.
I'm sorry if I sound like a Negative Nelly here, I just hate to see you guys pay out the nose for something that is NOT WORTH IT. :think: I'll shut up now.