Ok. Ultrasound found large fibroid, 5 follicles on each side and endo lining of 12. Can anyone explain?
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Ok. Ultrasound found large fibroid, 5 follicles on each side and endo lining of 12. Can anyone explain?
12 is thick for day 2. A uterine fibroid??
I'm assuming yes.
I don't understand much about this but I had an ultrasound on CD21 and my lining was 6mm (I worried it was on the thin side).
Did they say where the fibroid is/what kid? Are you having TTC issues?
Typical lining starts at 3mm after AF and grow 1mm per day. Starting at 12mm, I am not sure where that puts you after O and what that kind of thickness means with a fibroid. I am assuming they want additional tests.
I just overheard these terms as they were doing the ultrasound. They will be following up with me after the CD9 sonohistogram and blood work today.
I can't speak for the rest but I had fibroids when I was a teen. They put me on BCPs to get rid of them. The follicle part means you have 10 follicles maturing an egg for ovulation. This doesn't mean you will ovulate that many as eggs mature at different rates and the first to mature is the one(s) released. The rest, I think, reabsorb into the body and the body starts all over if necessary next cycle.
The ten follicles are antrals. One mature egg will be recruited and ovulate. That's all normal.
Do not worry about fibroids. It is not unusual at all and hardly ever cause any issues whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by fefecooks
5 follies on both sides perfectly normal at this stage of the game. :agree:
Are you sure you heard right on the endo lining?? Any possibility they were talking about something else?
I guess I could have heard wrong. She did say that every thing looked good accept fibroid. I'll get clarity after my sonohystogram on Friday. I guess I'm wondering why my gyno never told me about this. Can you not see it with a pap?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
No, fibroids are growths in the uterine wall and it's GOOD if they can't see them on a Pap (you DON'T want a fibroid to grow down around your cervix as it can jeopardize a pregnancy.) Seriously, betwen 50-70% of women have at least one depending on age, weight, ethnicity and it is really not a big deal unless it's massive or else right on your cervix. I know it sounds scary but 95 times out of 100 it is nothing to worry about and even when it is, they can usually fix them.
Ok, great! Once they remove it, how long do you have to wait before TTC again?
They are probably not going to need to remove it. If they suggest it, get a second opinion to be sure it's necessary.
If they do need to, it would vary how long it would take to TTC again depending on the size, location, and how easily it came out. :) Sorry wish I could pin it down more than that but it's really a variable thing.
Don't they usually prevent pregnancy? Why do you think it's best to leave it. I'm 38.
Experiencing cramping after blood flow. Is this related to the fibroid? My blood flow is becoming shorter and shorter. I only bleed for 3 days now.
Everyone experiences pain in their own way, but for me my pains would make my knees buckle underneath me. That is why my mom took me to the doc. The best way I can describe how it felt for me was that it was like an electric shock shot from low in my pelvis and down through my hoo-ha. The pains were completely unpredictable. I'd go 2-3 days with no pain then have them several times in one day or a couple random times a day for a few days in a row... there was no pattern to it. HTH.Quote:
Originally Posted by fefecooks
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Ok. No, thanks! It's not that bad. Just not what I've been used to over the years especially after blood flow stops.
NO, no, a thousand times no, they do NOT usually prevent pregnancy. Of the people reading this forum right now 50-70% of us have small fibroids if not large ones. They are NORMAL as we age and the older we get, the heavier set we are, the higher % of us have them.Quote:
Originally Posted by fefecooks
They used to remove them all the time assuming that they interfered with pregnancy and then they learned that while very very rarely a large or badly positioned fibroid can be harmful to a pregnancy, removing them is MUCH worse and can cause long term greater risk of miscarriage and now most doctors simply leave them alone and monitor the bigger ones. If your doctor is hot and heavy on removing one (especially if said doctor is older than 50 or so) get a second opinion.
If you are looking at the fibroid for explanations of cramps and lighter periods you need to stop what you're doing and reread the part where 50-70% of all women have them. This is not something to even worry about unless it is super huge or in a really low down position on your uterus.
Many of us are noticing shorter cycles while swaying and it may be the diet at work. 3 day periods are NORMAL. That is actually GOOD for fibroids too BTW because lower estrogen = shorter, lighter period = smaller fibroid. :)
Good to know! Thanks! Sonohistogram in the AM!!
Ok. He says it must be removed because it's 5×5 cm and the chances of having a baby grow full term when I do get pregnant are really slim and miscarriage is very likely. It's located on top of the uterus filling up the entire womb. Says its probably been there since my 20s. He also said only one tube is open probably due to an infection earlier in life. He's recommending the surgery that opens me up or robotically. 2 weeks off of work for recovery. He says that we have to wait a minimum of 4 months before trying again after surgery. He says we can test hubby's sperm first to rule this out which will be in 2 weeks. He says that if we need IVF, we need to get started right away because of the clock factor. He says 40% success at my age. Thoughts?
There's also polyps that need to come out as well.
Ok, while I would still get a second opinion to be sure that is def. not what we'd want to hear.
Odds of IVF success at 38 are more like 20-30% range. Not 40%. That seems very optimistic and I just checked several sources and all listed between 20-30%. I really want you to talk to a different doctor before proceeding!!!
Sorry if I should know this but have they tested your ovarian reserve??? That makes a big difference in the results.
read some of the sizes of these ladies' fibroids! 10cm fibroid together with pregnancy | BabyCenter I'm obviously not a doctor and can't advise if it needs to come out or not, but I do know that in the past fibroids were medically overmanaged and it's not even clear if having them removed even helps people to get pregnant. Contemporary Management of Fibroids in Pregnancy This article also seems to indicate that one fibroid alone does not increase odds of miscarriage, it's having more than one.
Would a second opinion require me to go through all of the same tests again? Or do they just look at chart/scans/results?
I didn't know to ask about reserve. Is that in the bloodwork? I didn't receive any bloodwork results yet.
He also said that he doesn't do laproscopy, only laprotomy so I do have to be referred out to someone else. He said he's not sure a laproscopy would take care of the polyps. Laparatomy seems so invasive and recovery is way too long.
They will prob. want to do their own ultrasound but I can't say for sure.
The reason to know about your egg reserve is if it is low, your odds of success with IVF will be dramatically affected (making the 40% quote even more misleading) and also because if your egg reserve/quality is poor that may have everything to do with why you haven't conceived and nothing to do with the fibroid. Sometimes doctors stop looking when they see "Issue A" without making sure that it's not really "Issue B or C or D" that is really what is going on. So you have all these procedures and then still do not get pregnant only to end up finding out in a year's time your egg quality isn't great to begin with and then we've wasted a year fixing a problem that may not even have been THE problem.
Gotcha! The nurse will call me on Monday with bloodwork numbers. It's FSH right?
Also, do you think it would be best to drop sway and just attempt everyday in my fertile window to see if that helps since we know girl sway (1 attempt) reduces fertility? Given the circumstances?
Anyone else on here with my same circumstance have any success this way?
I've had tons of gals with fibroids but none who were told not to TTC before. That is why I am feeling mighty wary about all this, esp. given the history which is that doctors were overmedicalizing fibroids even just 10-15 years ago.
Actually if you're ready to drop the number of attempts to boost odds of conception, SMEP is better than just adding attempts. Sperm Meets Egg Plan This is the best way to get pregnant quickly.
I would have a second opinion before you get pregnant in case the doctor is not being overly conservative.
FSH and AMH are the two that tell us about your egg quality.
Ok. FSH is 7 and Estridol is 59. They didn't test for AMH.
FSH is not too shabby given your age, I wish they'd done AMH though. that tells us a lot.
Ok. I have no idea what any of this means. What does one tell you over the other?
AMH tells you more about how many eggs you have left.
FSH tells you how "loudly" your body has to yell to get those eggs to develop. As we get older, we both get less sensitive to FSH and have less eggs to signal to the body to make FSH, so you start to make more and more, but the more FSH you have to make to get the egg to develop, the worse egg you make.
My regular gyn doctor says without looking at my ultrasound records from reproductive endo that she would probably recommend surgery too. She says often times women miscarry when they're this big 5X5cm in size. She can't see me until July 24th though for a consult with the records. Trying not to operate hastily. What would you do if you were in my shoes? Also, ovulating in a couple days.
I'd keep trying in the meantime of planning for the surgery, but I understand that may not be something you are comfortable with.
Ok. Will do! I would love a miraculous testimony to share rather than undergoing the knife. Believe me! Thanks Atomic! I'll keep you posted. I set up a 3rd opinion appointment for July 15th as well.
Not sure why but this is the 2nd month that I ovulated on same day or day before pos OPK. Also, I've been doing research on shrinking fibroids. Taking Red Clover and avoiding red meat, high saturated fat foods and caffeine seem to help. How would Red Clover affect girl sway? What are your thoughts?
Also, my Estradiol is 59. Articles are saying this high level is an indicator of poor ovarian reserve. Maybe this is the similar AMH # that you are looking for?
Also, what do you think of this?
Fibroids, Fertility and Pregnancy
Red clover is not safe when TTC so that's a no-no.
Avoiding red meat, saturated fat, taking fiber, vegetarian diet are all good and part of pink sway anyway. ARe you doing AFD??? If not, let's have you switch, the fiber in fruit and veg may help the estrogen leave your system.
I actually think the caffeine avoidance is overrated.
Unfortunately estradiol doesn't tell us the same thing that AMH does, so that's a no-go. High levels of estrogen can lead to growth in fibroids, though (which is why we tend to get bigger ones as we get older)
I have read that article before, was there a specific question on it?? (that 2% number is outdated info because so many more women have pregnancies in late 30- early 40's range that many more are having pregnancies with fibroids...it's not unusual at all)
Please understand, I'm not saying you shouldn't have it removed, just that we need to be SURE it needs to be removed because a lot of docs used to be fibroid-removal-happy and taking out things that were perfectly fine.
Thanks! Ok, not on the AFD. Can you please send the link?
The 70% increase in pregnancy part upon removal is what gave me hope when reading.
I'm getting a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th (U of Michigan doc) opinion by month end before making a final decision. Hubby has a semen analysis on Friday as well.
When I set up the 4th opinion today, they made it sound like plum sized wasn't large at all.
1st doc says it's taking up the size of my whole womb though ( hanging from top). He said that it must come out but he would still treat me if I left it.
Hopefully, with 4 involved, I'll get the best answer for me.