TIMING ??

Hi everyone , this is my first time posting and would love some input into my sway, i have 4 boys last pregnancy i swayed with TBM and that failed and resulted in TWIN boys, this really is my last chance and the one thing that is killing me is timing , i have been on the diet for 5 months and only taking 30,000mgcranberry and folic acid (dont believe in the CAL/MAG supps,as i took them when i conceived my twin boys),i also take Zyrtec and have Equal sugar in everything .
I have gone down to 53 kg ,and people are starting to coment how skinny i am ,and wonder what is wrong, I dont think i can stay on it much longer, ive been doing 0+12 for the last 4 months and no BFP but in saying that i think im missing the egg all together, my husband also works away 3 weeks of the month so getting him home when i need is hard ,this cycle he is home the day before O till 3 days after and i am soooo tempted just to BD through O but am scared that it will be the downfall to my sway,i also really believe in the moon signs as all my boys were conceived under male signs and i am ovulating this month when the moon is under a female sign so this month is perfect, so i guess i would really love to hear everyones opinion on the importance of TIMING , should i just go for it and BD through O ??????

Hi 4boys, Welcome to you. As far as timing goes, from personal experience I have concieved all 3 of my daughters very close to or right on Ovulation. Im really starting to think timing is not important but thats just my opinion

Thanks for your reply fourblessings, its nice to hear girls can be conceived near or on O Day :bigsmile:

I would go for it as I don't believe timing sways that much and everything else is in your favour, I think you hav a great sway, gl!

I wouldn't worry at all about a cut-off or O+12 either. You've done great on the diet which I believe to be far more important! Are you going to be able to manage a decent abstainance or frequent release with DH being away? Have you been using any gels or douches?

thanks everyone ,Yes zanacal it will be 2 and a bit weeks abtainance this cycle, ive given him scrict orders of NO release while he is working away ,because when all of our boys were conceived we were having frequent sex ,daily sometimes twice daily,and i really think my DH testosterone increased because of it so im really just doing opposite to what i did then, and i use SYLK with every BD , but no douche anymore , i kept getting pain and spotting from it so i dropped it from my sway.

I don't believe in timing either, I got one son conceived 4 day cutoff(4 days before o) another with a 3day cutoff and then I got one conceived o+12, so 3 of them supposedly in girl territory, (the other we bd through o) so I don't think timing is all that important, I believe most agree its the diet that's most important, gl :)

Sounds fab - good luck!

I think (strictly speaking!) that if you're combining abstaining with frequent BDing (I think that's what you're saying?) you should have your DH release twice each day after the first post-abstainance BD but only use the second 'batch' (so maybe release in the am and BD in the pm). Up to you of course, but if you're worried about BDing through O that might make you feel better if DH is up for it!

zanacal his flight arrives late the night before i O and by the time we get home from airport ect ect we wont BD till the next morning (O day) so we only really have day of O ,kids are at school so i can BD throughout the day or do you think i should do it different, im really needing to get pregnant asap because i really cant stay on the diet much longer . My diet amounts to NO breakfast , greek yogurt and strawberries with equal for lunch ,and milkshake with raspberries ,skim milk and equal for dinner and raw green beans as a snack ,and twice a week i will have pasta with chicken ,leek, green beans ,unsalted butter and parmesan for lunch instead of yogurt and its KILLING ME ,so not how i usually eat, my usual diet is very italian,lots of olive oil ,garlic,tomatoes ect ect

Oh OK, I thought you were going to start BDing a few days before O.

We just had our first attempt this month and we DTD once on O day so I'm with you on that one! As for DTD more than once, I think that has to be your call. We didn't DTD again (DH wanted to do it a second time that day!) because I was worried about increasing 'my' sperm count but this was only our first month and you may feel differently a few months in. Perhaps if you want to have more than one attempt you could do it once in the morning, then release without BDing then do it again in the evening?

what im most worried about BDing more than once is the ph level from each previous BD from the semen,does the high ph of the previous semen give the boy sperm in the next BD and batch a boost ? i hope that made sense :think:

Well, it depends what you believe pH does! I don't believe that boy sperm 'like' a high pH and vice versa for girl sperm, but I do believe that lower fertility overall sways pink and that acidity will likely help that cause by killing some of the sperm.

Have you considered using Rephresh? It claims to keep working for up to 3 days to lower the pH of anything it comes into contact with, so after you'd BD'd the first time it should set you straight before you do it again.

I think if you're using Sylk (I think that's what you said - I can't see the first page now!) then that's good too because you'll be introducing acidity right at the point of DTD and it'll definitely be there to greet some of the sperm and lower count.

You could use Rephresh and Sylk together - Rephresh a couple of days before your attempt (because you don't want too much sticky gel hanging around and stopping the sperm from being able to swim up into the cervix altogether) and also Sylk as a lube.

Of course, you could just have one attempt on O day. I decided that was the simpler (and therefore better!) option for me and the less testosterone raising 'organising' you have to do the better!

I also don't believe in timing so we will bd through O and use rephresh to keep pH low.

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Originally Posted by 4BOYS

Hi everyone , this is my first time posting and would love some input into my sway, i have 4 boys last pregnancy i swayed with TBM and that failed and resulted in TWIN boys, this really is my last chance and the one thing that is killing me is timing , i have been on the diet for 5 months and only taking 30,000mgcranberry and folic acid (dont believe in the CAL/MAG supps,as i took them when i conceived my twin boys),i also take Zyrtec and have Equal sugar in everything .
I have gone down to 53 kg ,and people are starting to coment how skinny i am ,and wonder what is wrong, I dont think i can stay on it much longer, ive been doing 0+12 for the last 4 months and no BFP but in saying that i think im missing the egg all together, my husband also works away 3 weeks of the month so getting him home when i need is hard ,this cycle he is home the day before O till 3 days after and i am soooo tempted just to BD through O but am scared that it will be the downfall to my sway,i also really believe in the moon signs as all my boys were conceived under male signs and i am ovulating this month when the moon is under a female sign so this month is perfect, so i guess i would really love to hear everyones opinion on the importance of TIMING , should i just go for it and BD through O ??????

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Hi and welcome! I am right with ya on the cal-mag and I have seen plenty of failed sways to gals taking the cal-mag supps.

Out of curiosity, are you doing the LE diet or the IG diet?? If you are doing the LE diet, are you eating enough cals, or are you eating less? Less is not better, so I would immediately start eating 1800 cals a day to stop the weight loss.

I REALLY don't advise 0+12 for anyone, esp. while dieting, because it makes it almost impossible to get pg that way and you end up being on the diet for too long and losing too much weight.

We have seen dozens of studies on timing and they all say something different. I put absolutely no stock into timing at all
I would 100% totally and completely advise you DTD through O this month, you have done so much on diet that will be swaying pink for you, so I suggest you pull out all the stops and get pg this month before you have to stop dieting all together.

Thanks again for everyones replies , I ended up getting pos OPK thurs morning at 6ish then kept testing all day and all positive, hubby flew in late thurs night so before going to sleep we both had another big glass of cranberry with lots of equal (we both have been having loads of equal all day everyday YUCK) and we waited till 3 30 fri morning to BD after the moon turned to Taurus( i believe this as ALL my boys were conceived when the moon was in a male sign)
No CM from the zyrtec so used sylk as lube went back to sleep and tested OPK at 6 am and it was neg,
then one more BD with sylk at 10 30 am for good luck :) by 3 pm my cervix was hard and low.
im 29 but hubby is 38 so only had 7 days abstinance just cause i was worried about his age
so yes i BD within hrs of O but dont care as i just wasnt getting pregnant with 0+12 (or even with a 1 day cuttoff ) so i just went for it plus with my twin boys i was on IG religiously and went harcore with my sway BD daily 14 days straight with lime douche and replens and last BD was TMB with 1.5 - 2 day cuttoff fell pregnant first month of trying (same as all my boys) and i not only got 1 boy BUT twin boys, this time it was still just so hard to peel myself away from the timing therory i had learnt years ago on IG and was in the back of my thoughts but i just went for it so FX i havnt messed my sway up :)

Atomic - i have been on the LG diet but week leading to O only had low fat yogurt with lots of Equal and strawberries for lunch and skim milk milkshake with frozen raspberries with lots of equal for dinner, and green beans for a snack, but usually will eat chicken leeks rice ect few times a week just not week of O

BTW can anyone tell me what time i may have Ovulated fri ,based on the fact i got my First pos OPK thurs at 6 am ?

Thanks again everyone

Yes, I too got what was prob. twin boys on the cal-mag supps. :/ One of my twins didn't make it but it was a placenta previa which are usually boys.

That looks like a great attempt! Good luck!!

I think you did exactly right BD within hours of O. I don't believe in O+12 at all because the egg only lives 24 hours at most under ideal circumstances and most of our eggs are dead and gone by the time the sperm from an O+12 even gets to them. I really think a large amount of the people who get pg with O+12 DTD closer to O than they think they did.

There is no way of knowing what time you ovulated Friday. It is different for everyone every month and depends on a lot of different things working together in concert.

DH working at a mine does indeed sway pink, but of course you can't hang your hat on that!

Your diet looks good as well and I am wishing you the very best of luck!

Thank you Atomic :) i have also wondered if 0+12 really ends up being a little closer to O than people think, and if that is the case is it the abstaining with 0+12 attempts that mabey gets the girl for some people ?, i just cant imagine getting pregnant this way and im 29 ,mabey back when i was not doing the diet ect but not now ,i mean when i conceived my boys i just said i wanted to get pregnant and BAM i was pregnant first try even with the twins with all the douche and replens and cuttoff, i have even tried a 1 day cuttoff a few months back and still nothing so i guess whatever im doing is working and i have totally lowered my fertility :) hopefully not too much cause i NEED a BFP so i can get of this horrible diet :( thanks again

4Boys, that is exactly what I think. It's the abstain that sways and the O+12 only gets in the way of getting pg. I've seen too many people go month after month dropping things that really DO sway only to keep the O+12 and then get an opposite. Plus about half the people who claim they conceived on O+12 are the very same ones with dozens of posts about how they can't tell when they're ovulating and can't read their OPKs and so on.

There is no way, when the entire female reproductive tract is designed to keep sperm alive and waiting for the egg, that all or even most of the baby girls were conceived using O+12.