A little advice please!

Last night we did our first attempt on CD 10. He had been abstaining & now we're planning to FR (opposite of our other pregnancies). Last night I did sudafed, lime douche before, propped hips & kept checking. I had almost no cm so checking was a pain & I was almost always between 5-6, I kept up with the small lime injections for 4 hours and went to bed. Today I was still in that 5-6 range so I got replens & rephresh, I used a pea sized amount of replens & at last check I was still at a 5. I've had 4 bottles of CL today & had my cranberry. What do you think I should do at this point? And for tonight's BD what should my step by step before and after be?

Seems like you are doing old school sway techniques that are no longer recommended. Atomic does not recommend Sudafed for any women as it is unsafe and no one is doing lime douche any more as PH theory has been debunked. I would recommend BD every 4 days days and ditching all antihistamines, douches, Rephresh/Replens, and cm checking. All those things seem to prevent conception. Keep it simple with what works: one attempt in the fertile period by BD every 4 days, LE diet, cardio for 60 minutes a day OR couch potato, fiber with meals, and daily caffeine and alcohol. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by essnce629

Seems like you are doing old school sway techniques that are no longer recommended. Atomic does not recommend Sudafed for any women as it is unsafe and no one is doing lime douche any more as PH theory has been debunked. I would recommend BD every 4 days days and ditching all antihistamines, douches, Rephresh/Replens, and cm checking. All those things seem to prevent conception. Keep it simple with what works: one attempt in the fertile period by BD every 4 days, LE diet, cardio for 60 minutes a day OR couch potato, fiber with meals, and daily caffeine and alcohol. Good luck!

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I've had a hard time because I started on IG and then found this site but felt like I was already in the trenches of the old sway so just continued for my first attempt, but after being so confused by rephresh and replens came back here because the information is SO MUCH EASIER to understand and presented in a way that actually makes sense (including grammar & spelling) I think I'm going to start testing every 4 hours until smiley & then dtd & again at 48 hours (is that recommended still? I saw it somewhere in an atomic post). I'm trying to get pregnant as soon as possible & have lost 7 lbs in the last month since the holidays so hopefully that'll help me.

I started on IG too and switched over here about 6 weeks ago. I agree with what you say, it is hard to change the way of thinking!

Our attempt was last night. Fingers crossed for us both!

I started on IG too and switched over here about 6 weeks ago. I agree with what you say, it is hard to change the way of thinking!

Our attempt was last night. Fingers crossed for us both!

Yes good luck to you too Kmomofthree!!

For BD, it's recommend that you have only one attempt in your fertile women. To do that, most are either BD every 4 days from the end of AF past the latest you've ever O'd or BD once AT +opk. Don't BD again after 48 hours as that would be 2 attempts in your fertile window which is a little more boy friendly (and how I got both my boys). If you want to BD again after your +opk attempt, then do so after 4 days. This will ensure one attempt in your fertile window and cover you in case you ended up O'ing late.

So we had one release when AF ended (to check his pH for IG swaying) and then CD10, I would say it was 4 maybe 5 days between the two releases. I am going to try again on CD14, which should be the day before O. I will do another attempt for CD18 just in case of late O. Phew, I think I got it. Between the two sites, the amount of conflicting information is just insane, it's hard to know what's going on, but like I said, I am definitely preferring what I've read here.

Thanks for your help!!

another quick question, with the 4 day schedule, DH should abstain during those 4 days, right?

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Originally Posted by aholt

another quick question, with the 4 day schedule, DH should abstain during those 4 days, right?

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No, it doesn't matter. He can do what he wants.

What essnce said! CD10'14, 18 should cover you, but it can't hurt to add 22 bc often swaying delays O. Good luck!

quick question:

I've been trying to track CM, and felt like it was kinda in the sticky stage starting on CD 8, we took sudafed (IG swaying) on CD 10 to dry up CM and then rephresh and replens the next day for pH. ever since it has been very off. small dry bits of white. I'm now at the end of CD 13 and when I last checked, cervix felt most soft that it's felt, and CM is not very stretchy, but similar to snot. It smears, but there is not very much of it and it's definitely not clear. Basically, I have no idea where I might be at in my cycle or how close I am to ovulation. No positive OPK still so I won't be ovulating on day 14. Should I still keep testing or wait until I see some EWCM?

Keep opk testing and BD'ing every 4 days. You can't miss O that way. I often test with opks twice a day. Around 12-2pm and again before bed at night.

And you can O with no ewcm. LE diet usually dries things up naturally, which is why antihistamines, etc only make it harder to get pregnant.

Sounds like creamy CM...common for pink swayers and believed to sway pink. I'd keep BDing E4D as essnce explained.

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Originally Posted by Kmomofthree

I started on IG too and switched over here about 6 weeks ago. I agree with what you say, it is hard to change the way of thinking!

Our attempt was last night. Fingers crossed for us both!

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When in doubt, ask, ask, ask. It may take me a day or two but I always have an explanation for all the reasons why things are different.

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Originally Posted by aholt

So we had one release when AF ended (to check his pH for IG swaying) and then CD10, I would say it was 4 maybe 5 days between the two releases. I am going to try again on CD14, which should be the day before O. I will do another attempt for CD18 just in case of late O. Phew, I think I got it. Between the two sites, the amount of conflicting information is just insane, it's hard to know what's going on, but like I said, I am definitely preferring what I've read here.

Thanks for your help!!

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Just ASK!!! Seriously!! I'm happy to explain. :)

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Originally Posted by aholt

Last night we did our first attempt on CD 10. He had been abstaining & now we're planning to FR (opposite of our other pregnancies). Last night I did sudafed, lime douche before, propped hips & kept checking. I had almost no cm so checking was a pain & I was almost always between 5-6, I kept up with the small lime injections for 4 hours and went to bed. Today I was still in that 5-6 range so I got replens & rephresh, I used a pea sized amount of replens & at last check I was still at a 5. I've had 4 bottles of CL today & had my cranberry. What do you think I should do at this point? And for tonight's BD what should my step by step before and after be?

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Ok so to answer this first question, LEAVE IT ALONE. :) All the pH stuff is irrelevant after BD because the design of your body is for stuff to flow out, not up (like your nose when you have a cold.)

I do not think either cran or sudafed is safe for women and ESPECIALLY not together. That can actually KILL you so I'd recommend losing the Sudafed straight away and seriously rethinking the cran.

If you're still wanting to use pH, that's totally cool, just do it before you plan to BD. Don't mix RepHresh plus douche though, that can actually cause your pH to rise.

We have had stellar results with one attempt. So good, and so consistent, despite ALL other sway tactics, that it is looking to us, like the only reason why anyone thinks things like timing and douching work is because they're usually done with one attempt. So while the CD 10 attempt is probably long gone, I'd only hit it with one more attempt.

I really don't like you guys mixing the abstain and FR. Basically, you send a signal to hubby's bod that he's in a dry spell and then all of a sudden a woman appears and his sperm factory is like "all right" (read that in Samuel L. Jackson's voice, please) and then he starts cranking out TONS of sperm. ABstain + FR is a bad, bad combo and should be avoided. Do one or the other, not both, and abstain is not good for guys over 35 so if he is, go with FR.

The "anti-pH essay" is here, may be helpful http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...ph-pickle.html

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Originally Posted by aholt

I've had a hard time because I started on IG and then found this site but felt like I was already in the trenches of the old sway so just continued for my first attempt, but after being so confused by rephresh and replens came back here because the information is SO MUCH EASIER to understand and presented in a way that actually makes sense (including grammar & spelling) I think I'm going to start testing every 4 hours until smiley & then dtd & again at 48 hours (is that recommended still? I saw it somewhere in an atomic post). I'm trying to get pregnant as soon as possible & have lost 7 lbs in the last month since the holidays so hopefully that'll help me.

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48 hours after pos OPK is only for people who believe in O+12. Most of us stick with one attempt. IF you're in a hurry to get pregnant, 48 hours after OPK is barely better than nothing (most eggs will be gone by then) so for those in a hurry to conceive we have attempts every 4 days and then one additional attempt at positive OPK. This works pretty well both for pink and for conceiving.

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another quick question, with the 4 day schedule, DH should abstain during those 4 days, right?

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It depends on what you want from your sway.

Best odds of conception are with every 2-4 day release pattern, so if you want to maximize odds of conception then you'd stick with that level of release. IT's a little blue friendly (but honestly we've had good results with it anyway so I think the concerns of regular release swaying blue are totally overblown)

If you want frequency (this is NOT HELPING our success at all and is actually lower than the overall odds of the site) you'd have DH release every one of those days in between but use the attempt every 4th day as his release that day (don't have him release and then attempt the same day)

if you have a difficult or uncooperative hubby, we have the "do what he does" method where you don't ask what he's doing and don't try to get him to do anything in particular, so long as he shows up every 4 days to BD. This has worked for quite a few of us (including me) so don't feel like it's a compromise, it isn't.

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quick question:

I've been trying to track CM, and felt like it was kinda in the sticky stage starting on CD 8, we took sudafed (IG swaying) on CD 10 to dry up CM and then rephresh and replens the next day for pH. ever since it has been very off. small dry bits of white. I'm now at the end of CD 13 and when I last checked, cervix felt most soft that it's felt, and CM is not very stretchy, but similar to snot. It smears, but there is not very much of it and it's definitely not clear. Basically, I have no idea where I might be at in my cycle or how close I am to ovulation. No positive OPK still so I won't be ovulating on day 14. Should I still keep testing or wait until I see some EWCM?

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Keep going with e4 day. Both Sudafed and the jellies can really alter the appearance and consistency of CM. Checking CM and CP and if it feels like a nose or an ear, it hasn't worked for us (and most of us have 2-3-4 opposites that way) There is just too much individual variation and this has been 100% proven in studies, even highly trained experts could not pinpoint O day with CM/CP beyond random chance. They knew they were BY ovulation, but couldn't tell what day. The idea that X, Y, Z happens at a certain hour for every woman every month simply isn't true, and we find the more you stress and obsess over every little detail when swaying, it all tends to sway a bit blue anyway - possibly by raising T levels, or maybe something else that we don't know about yet. So it may be the case that you actually undermine your sway while not helpping it at all.

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Keep going with e4 day. Both Sudafed and the jellies can really alter the appearance and consistency of CM. Checking CM and CP and if it feels like a nose or an ear, it hasn't worked for us (and most of us have 2-3-4 opposites that way) There is just too much individual variation and this has been 100% proven in studies, even highly trained experts could not pinpoint O day with CM/CP beyond random chance. They knew they were BY ovulation, but couldn't tell what day. The idea that X, Y, Z happens at a certain hour for every woman every month simply isn't true, and we find the more you stress and obsess over every little detail when swaying, it all tends to sway a bit blue anyway - possibly by raising T levels, or maybe something else that we don't know about yet. So it may be the case that you actually undermine your sway while not helpping it at all.

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Thank you, thank you!

I still haven't had an OPK+ yet, but, we're having other...issues. Too much licorice root + other medication ruined our attempt on CD15 last night (we couldn't on CD14) and also an attempt this morning. Although this isn't typically a problem, he does already have a low libido, and I think it's just in his head that it's too scheduled and clinical. There was no O for either of us last night or this morning. Should I wait 4 more days for another attempt now and hope since I haven't had the surge yet that we might still catch the egg?

I am not on cranberry anymore, I have used a fingertip worth of rephresh a few times, just for moisture. Other than that, I haven't done anything IG sway related anymore. I like the idea of the pH still because of it being harsher conditions and potentially lowering sperm count.

No you need to be in with SOMETHING ASAP. No "transaction", no attempt.

Drop licorice root right away. Of late it hasn't gotten fab. results anyway.

Finally got OPK+! I was negative this morning and positive at 9:00pm. DTD immediately. My main priority is getting pregnant quick, I hope what I've done is enough to let me experience raising both genders :) if not that's okay.

Now we wait! We've always gotten pregnant FAST.

Okay! next question...

I got my OPK+ at 9pm, DTD right after, had slippery mucus (or maybe leftover stuff...) when I would pee yesterday. Temp this morning was still low (96.7), CM seemed to go to creamy mid day. When I just went to pee, I had a LARGE glob of opaque mucus that stretched but snapped back to shape. Any ideas what might be going on here?

Sounds like transitioning from EWCM to creamy, totally normal for O day.

just generalized bodily weirdness. I had a cold 2 months ago and occasionally get a "snotty" day. The body is following this different set of rules that we honestly don't and can't comprehend. :)

So, I did not have a +OKP :( I am scheduled to start my cycle in 2 days. I will be trying this next month again and then taking a break as I already have one baby born in December. Excited to start again from a clearer place and with more straightforward information!

You meant HPT, right? I'm sorry. Fx this cycle.

haha yes, sorry. not paying enough attention when I wrote that.

thank you :)

Good luck and let us know how we can help! :)