EWCM at 8 and 9 DPO?

Just this afternoon I've had some EWCM when I went to the toilet and wiped (stretchy with a slight pale green colour). I also had a bit of this yesterday. I don't usually have this at all in my cycle except just before or around the time of O. Today I am 9DPO. I noticed I hadn't recorded this when I got a BFP last year...id only recorded a bit of creamy or sticky CM. Can this be a good sign for a BFP? I've also used my saliva ferning test twice today and seen a few ferns, yet an OPK test I did was a definite negative. Thanks for reading this and taking the time to comment. I am a bit impatient. I guess all of a sudden I've realised how much I want to be pregnant again. :)

I've had EWCM a day or so right before AF starts. It's not that uncommon. But I also had EWCM on 12dpo when I was pregnant with DS2. So you never know.

I sometimes get a day or two of EWCM or watery CM leading up to AF. For me it's pretty unusual, and a small enough amount that I might not notice it always. I don't believe I've had it in pregnancy cycles but everyone is different.

It is pretty common to get an estrogen surge before AF, which can cause ferning and/or fertile CM, or even positive OPKs on occasion.

Yes, like Maiden said, I've even gotten positive opks the day before AF!

I'm not feeling that confident today. I don't think my FF chart looks very pregnancyish. I don't know why but I did a clear blue digital O test this morning and just got a blank face - maybe those wouldn't show a smiley face if you were pregnant anyway? And I did a Pregnosis OPK and it was a definite negative. And my BBTs aren't staying up nice and high like they did when I got a BFP in June last year. I swear I'm not doing any more POAS until Monday now. Not worth it. Last pregnancy I got a faint second line at this time, 10DPo, but that was with a HPT and not an OPK. It's funny how when you're faced with the possibility that you aren't going to be pregnant you suddenly realise how much you really want it. I've been feeling exhausted, cranky as buggery, sore boobs on the sides (near armpits) on and off and have been getting period cramps on and off (have woken up with this the last few mornings and almost took a panadol this morning before I got out of bed), peeing more often, thirsty, hungrier, but maybe I am just imagining or creating these things or just AF symptoms. I do know that I have a bit of a fallback rise on 3DPO that I don't usually have on my charts, BUT I did have one at 2DPO last year in June when I got my BFP. Anyway, I will just have to suck it up and wait it out for 2 more days at least. :( 2WW is awful - no matter how much we tell ourselves we are not going to obsess or test we always seem to end up doing just that.

About 7 DPO your body will release a little burst of estrogen that can cause EWCM in some people. Also it's not unusual for there to be a bit of EWCM a day or two before AF arrives.

I'm going to be devastated if I'm not pregnant this time when usually I would've gotten pregnant easily with an attempt like this. I have read of women not being able to conceive after having a D & C. I'd been really positive up until now. It usually takes me just one shot and bingo - pregnant. It's going to be even harder for me to get pregnant again if I have some sort of problems going on internally with DH not on board. And this morning my BbT was a bit lower when I'd hoped it would've gone back up. It's going to hit me really hard if I'm not. :(

Please don't panic honey. It's very early to say you are out and also it's totally common to take more than one cycle to fall pregnant. I am usually the same but I know that is very very lucky. Taking up to six months is still considered totally normal and not getting pregnant on this attempt doesn't suggest anything sinister is going on at all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Babygirlquest

Please don't panic honey. It's very early to say you are out and also it's totally common to take more than one cycle to fall pregnant. I am usually the same but I know that is very very lucky. Taking up to six months is still considered totally normal and not getting pregnant on this attempt doesn't suggest anything sinister is going on at all.

---

Thankyou sooo much for that sweet and kind message. Very comforting. You know, we did BD this last time with me on top and we've never done that position before when trying to conceive so if I'm not pregnsnt this time maybe its becsuse of that somehow? I dont know. But i did do a Fiest Response HPT this afternoon (using FMU) snd it was a negative. No hint of a second line and I studied it gor ages and from all diff angles until my vision started going funny. I'm 11DPO today. Last year I got a very faint line BFP on 10DPO.

Still really early honey. Don't think it would be different position, just might take you a little longer this time and that doesn't mean anything bad at all.

I know. It's just frustrating when I used to fall pregnant soooo easily. And it doesn't help when I want it sooo badly and DH is completely on another page to me. My bBt was slightly above from yesterday this morning but I'm still not confident. I'm sure that test I did yesterday would've been pos if I was pregnant. But it's just been strange how I have been feeling light period cramps on and off for the last 4 days at least. Usually the pains hit me suddenly and bang, the blood flow starts, or I get some blood on loo after wiping and then get the pains. I watched 'Call the Midwife' on tv last night and cried seeing all the pregnant Mum's and newborns and remembered Saturday was my due date for the pregnancy I lost last year. :( sometimes I feel soooo angry with my DH I just want to pack up and leave him, but I stay because of our kids. Sorry for my negativity....I'm feeling really down and out today.

aw 1moregirl im sorry to hear your feeling so down about it all, fingers crossed you get that bfp :fx:

I'm pretty certain I'm out. I did a First Response test today and it's a definite negative...no hint of a second line. I thought I'd nailed it and that I'd definitely be pregnant. I'm also wondering if maybe DH has low testosterone (is tired ALL the time) and that the swimmers just couldn't make it after BD with me on top. If we'd done missionary we might've nailed it and gotten a BFP. I'm just really disappointed and I don't know what to do next. Do DH or I need to get any tests or do we just keep trying? Not bloody easy while he is not 100% on board with ttc. Just feel like I'm running out of time. :(

I get that you are upset, but I don't think it is realistic to expect to get pregnant on the first try at age 44. I am 34 and had both my boys in my 20's and they were both oopsies. My last pregnancy, at age 33, took 5 cycles over 7 months time to get pregnant and then it ended in a miscarriage. I have 4 best friends from high school and we all have two kids each. We all had our first pregnancies in our 20's, and out of 8 pregnancies in our group there were zero miscarriages. Since we all turned 30, there's been 8 more pregnancies and 5 have ended in miscarriage. Before age 30 we all got pregnant easily and stayed pregnant. Nothing has changed but our age and I fully believe the miscarriages are due to us getting older. We are all currently 34. I'm sure if we were 10 years older the miscarriage rate would be even higher and the pregnancy rate would be almost zero. It sucks, but it's the truth. We can look young, eat healthy, etc but our eggs are still aging. I don't want to be a downer and I totally know what it's like to have a DH who doesn't want to have any more kids, but I think you just have to keep trying month after month and hoping he'll cooperate, without getting your hopes up too much. I get depressed about it to but don't really have another choice.

Essence - I get what you're saying...I really do. But I started when I was 36, had my second when I was 38, my third when I was 40 and fourth pregnancy last year at 43 that ended in miscarriage. I'm not going to give up. I will just keep trying and see what happens. It is interesting though that this last time we BD we did it with me on top and every other time I've conceived it has been missionary (first two were conceived via missionary and third child via doggy). Anyway, I just checked my FF calendar from when I conceived last year in June and we BD a bit more regularly (CD 11, 13 and 17) and I'm not sure abt every night but on CD 17 (was my third day of pos OPK) we BD with me on top but I inserted diva cup afterwards and went to sleep. I should've done that again this time. Plus I've noticed this time round my EWCM didn't correlate with my positive OPKs and BBTs which is why I don't have solid cross lines marked on my chart for when I Oed. It's probably my hormones and AF coming thwt has made me feel sooo down today so I apologise for my negativity.

I also think your age plays a role, as fertility really drops off after age 42. It can definitely still happen but I wouldn't expecr it to immediately. Fx for this next cycle.

Well AF is most likely on the way as my BbT dropped below the coverline this morning. Plus I'm just feeling tired, crappy and over-emotional (all signs of AF). I don't know why I thought it would straight away after it did last year...guess I just got my hopes up. I do wish DH could be fully supportive of this and 100% on board because I wonder of the quality of his swimmers as well as he is always tired and moody. Not to worry. I know I'll get past this and will be back to my positive and determined self soon. It's just been a bit difficult lately as just passed our last would-be-baby's due date over the weekend and I seem to be seeing pregnant ladies every where I go. But I know part of me is being selfish and stupid because there are women out there struggling to conceive just one baby so I do feel guilty and ashamed for feeling like this, believe me. Plus my DH is not an easy man to live with. He is serious all the time, moody, tired, doesn't talk to me much, has a short fuse with all of us - and he brings me down with him when I'm usually a positive, upbeat, fun loving, prankster who loves to make people love and be happy. I don't think he realises how lucky he is. He just takes us for granted. Ok. Rant over and I do apologise.

I got pg at 41 on top.

It probably just wasn't your month. No one can know why.

Pregnancy tests during different pregnancies can't tell you anything tho. It all depends on whatever your HCG levels were to start with.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by essnce629

I get that you are upset, but I don't think it is realistic to expect to get pregnant on the first try at age 44. I am 34 and had both my boys in my 20's and they were both oopsies. My last pregnancy, at age 33, took 5 cycles over 7 months time to get pregnant and then it ended in a miscarriage. I have 4 best friends from high school and we all have two kids each. We all had our first pregnancies in our 20's, and out of 8 pregnancies in our group there were zero miscarriages. Since we all turned 30, there's been 8 more pregnancies and 5 have ended in miscarriage. Before age 30 we all got pregnant easily and stayed pregnant. Nothing has changed but our age and I fully believe the miscarriages are due to us getting older. We are all currently 34. I'm sure if we were 10 years older the miscarriage rate would be even higher and the pregnancy rate would be almost zero. It sucks, but it's the truth. We can look young, eat healthy, etc but our eggs are still aging. I don't want to be a downer and I totally know what it's like to have a DH who doesn't want to have any more kids, but I think you just have to keep trying month after month and hoping he'll cooperate, without getting your hopes up too much. I get depressed about it to but don't really have another choice.

---

I agree totally. I got pg first or second month in every time I tried but took me 6 at 41 (and I was luckier than hell and thank God every day for it still)

Got pregnant on my first wedding night with my first and took ages with my last at 36 so one more girl think you won the lotto 3 times at your age when you conceived your kids.. But 44 is really almost impossible from the first shot :)

Sent from my GT-I9305T using Tapatalk

Thanks ladies. Yes you are right and do count myself blessed and extremely lucky to have had three beautiful healthy children at the age I was at when I had them. I guess my good luck was gonna run out sooner or later. ;) Is there a way you can find out if a D & C left you with scarring that would prevent you from conceiving again? The obs at the hospital did make that risk clear to me prior to having the D & C but I don't know if you can tell this from an ultrasound scan? Anyway, will try again next cycle and see what happens. Will use the diva cup also as an extra measure. I'm sure years ago before we conceived our first child when DH had a SA done that he had low motility but obviously we still conceived. atomic - if he is tired all the time as he is (and sick with a Cough virus at the moment) should I get him to take some sort of vitamin for general health that can increase quality of sperm or not? I don't know.

They have procedures they can do but it isn't THAT likely so very few docs will perform them because they are invasive.

I do not think you should use the Diva cup. Like I mentioned, I think most people lose more sperm trying to put them in than they could possibly save, and additionally they can actually seal the cervix shut (like a diaphragm) and are of NO benefit. Just lay flat if ou can.

If he needs some nutrients for his health he should of course take them. Yes, they may boost sperm health, but maybe for all we know he needs that.

Atomic, what do you think of using a diva cup for AI? I'm thinking of trying it this cycle.

I'd rather see you just lay flat a long time BUT I know you guys have been at this a while and looking to change it up.

My concern is not only that the things are harder than the blazes to put in (and a lot ends up spilled) but that it could act as a diaphragm and in effect seal the cervix shut.

Sorry if I should know this but have you done Preseed (I know you mentioned Yes baby a while back but not sure if you were doing a lot of other things to sway at that point or not) and Robi-Muci?? I'd try those before Diva.

Thanks Atomic. I didn't use any lubricant this last time which was stupid of me after I spent the money to buy the preseed. I will definitely use preseed for this next try. Plus, on a positive not, after visiting a good friend yesterday and nursing her 2 month old baby and then showing the photos to DH last night, he said he would agree to try. We didn't get to discuss it further as the kids were around and he was going out to exercise with a mate but it sounded like a step forward finally. Bought a new lot of ubiquinol today as well so back to taking that daily again. Would it be worth getting DH to take ubiquinol as well, or a multivitamin or just olive leaf extract? Thanks. Also, last time I conceived and used the diva cup I laid down for maybe a half hour after BD and then inserted the diva cup (I'd had quite a few practices at inserting it prior) and I took it out again once after about 4 hrs and added a few drops of lemon juice and then reinserted and left it in overnight or until confirmed O. And conceived somehow. For my next try though we might just do missionary position (instead of me on top) and I will just lay for a while (with hips slightly propped?)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

They have procedures they can do but it isn't THAT likely so very few docs will perform them because they are invasive.

I do not think you should use the Diva cup. Like I mentioned, I think most people lose more sperm trying to put them in than they could possibly save, and additionally they can actually seal the cervix shut (like a diaphragm) and are of NO benefit. Just lay flat if ou can.

If he needs some nutrients for his health he should of course take them. Yes, they may boost sperm health, but maybe for all we know he needs that.

---

Just wanted to add, that I was very careful when inserting the diva cup and I'd had lots of practise prior to attempt. I also used lubricant around the upper and outer edge of the cup to help it go in a bit easier. And I found the easiest way to insert it was whilst lying down with legs bent up. I'd waited a good half hour to an hour after BD before I inserted the diva cup as well.

Sometimes you can get pregnant doing all sorts of stuff but that doesn't mean it's a good strategy. You laid flat for 30 min. before putting in the Diva, well, all living sperm will have left the vagina and already entered the cervix by that point. THAT is why you got pregnant, had nothing to do with the Diva. 4 hours later, they were out of reach of any lemon juice. (but seriously, don't do that, you're going to injure yourself.) It's entirely different when someone is trying to insert the Diva immediately after intercourse and/or using lemon right away.

DH taking those supps won't hurt odds of conception, may sway ~slightly~ blue with the multivitamin but I kinda doubt it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 1moregirl

Just wanted to add, that I was very careful when inserting the diva cup and I'd had lots of practise prior to attempt. I also used lubricant around the upper and outer edge of the cup to help it go in a bit easier. And I found the easiest way to insert it was whilst lying down with legs bent up. I'd waited a good half hour to an hour after BD before I inserted the diva cup as well.

---

All the living sperm were gone by then. They had swum into your cervical crypts and were hanging out there. The reason you got pregnant had nothing to do with the Diva cup. After 30 minutes the semen liquefies and is SUPPOSED to come back out at that point, taking with it any dead or dying sperm still in the ejaculate.

Thanks Atomic. I def won't use the diva cup then and definitely not the lemon juice. They were both IG strategies. Is it better to lay flat after BD or to slightly raise your hips a tad to help the swimmers reach their destination? I did notice last time when I got pregnant after I took the diva cup out at 4 hour mark there was a bit of blood and CM in there - probably because I shoved it in after Bd in a rush and hurt myself a bit. Ouch!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

I'd rather see you just lay flat a long time BUT I know you guys have been at this a while and looking to change it up.

My concern is not only that the things are harder than the blazes to put in (and a lot ends up spilled) but that it could act as a diaphragm and in effect seal the cervix shut.

Sorry if I should know this but have you done Preseed (I know you mentioned Yes baby a while back but not sure if you were doing a lot of other things to sway at that point or not) and Robi-Muci?? I'd try those before Diva.

---

I don't think CM is the issue as I had a ton of EWCM for days last cycle (perhaps a rebound effect from being on Clomid the cycle before), and generally I have a lot of creamy CM for over a week then about 2 days of good EWCM right before O, with it turning creamy again on O day or the next most times. I am on Clomid again this month but not nearly as dry as I was the other cycle on it. I've had little patches of EWCM and watery CM on and off and a normal amount of creamy CM; I'm on CD9 and expecting to O around CD16, maybe a little earlier based on my OPKs. I was only using YesBaby if I was actually dry, due to recent bathing or being far off from O. I'm not opposed to using it again, but I know I've conceived without visible fertile CM before, hell, even when really dry on the pill using olive oil as lube! I can't use PreSeed due to allergies, and Mucinex makes me really ill. But I've been drinking more water lately so I think my natural CM will be okay.

I had some issues last cycle getting the semen inside me, and I'm never sure if I get it deep enough. Maybe I need to try it in a handstand position? My cervix is very tilted (backwards and a bit to the side). I haven't even tried to use the diva cup (actually a different brand but nearly identical design), so it may be a moot point, but if I CAN use it properly, I was thinking he could jizz directly into it, then I'd insert it and do the handstand or whatever, then take it out after 5 min? That way I'm not sealing anything off for long but at least the jizz will be near my cervix for sure.

I would try an abbreviated version of SMEP at this point if I thought it was possible, but it's probably not and may even be bad considering my donor's low count. I was thinking of trying EOD though...I'm really desperate to be pregnant.

1moregirl, sorry for crashing your thread!

Oh and I've been laying flat for ages, the past 6 cycles at least.

I think it's fine to just lay flat but raising hips is something some people like to do.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by maidentomother

I don't think CM is the issue as I had a ton of EWCM for days last cycle (perhaps a rebound effect from being on Clomid the cycle before), and generally I have a lot of creamy CM for over a week then about 2 days of good EWCM right before O, with it turning creamy again on O day or the next most times. I am on Clomid again this month but not nearly as dry as I was the other cycle on it. I've had little patches of EWCM and watery CM on and off and a normal amount of creamy CM; I'm on CD9 and expecting to O around CD16, maybe a little earlier based on my OPKs. I was only using YesBaby if I was actually dry, due to recent bathing or being far off from O. I'm not opposed to using it again, but I know I've conceived without visible fertile CM before, hell, even when really dry on the pill using olive oil as lube! I can't use PreSeed due to allergies, and Mucinex makes me really ill. But I've been drinking more water lately so I think my natural CM will be okay.

I had some issues last cycle getting the semen inside me, and I'm never sure if I get it deep enough. Maybe I need to try it in a handstand position? My cervix is very tilted (backwards and a bit to the side). I haven't even tried to use the diva cup (actually a different brand but nearly identical design), so it may be a moot point, but if I CAN use it properly, I was thinking he could jizz directly into it, then I'd insert it and do the handstand or whatever, then take it out after 5 min? That way I'm not sealing anything off for long but at least the jizz will be near my cervix for sure.

I would try an abbreviated version of SMEP at this point if I thought it was possible, but it's probably not and may even be bad considering my donor's low count. I was thinking of trying EOD though...I'm really desperate to be pregnant.

1moregirl, sorry for crashing your thread!

---

Well, remember that there may be changes in the EWCM that we can't see with the naked eye that may be cutting fertility.

I'd def use the Yes Baby again.

It's REALLY hard to get the Diva in with the semen in their. It often spills when people try it (and I tried it one time just for fun to see if it was really as hard as people were saying and yep I ended up with a huge mess to clean. XD

But like I said I understand wanting to change it up and hey, it's certainly worth a shot for people in your unique set of circumstances. But I don't recommend it for other people because I don't think it ups odds of conception.

Maiden - no worried Hun. You can crash my threads any time. Lol. :) I really hope that using a diva cup thing works for you to get you a BFP. Good luck.

I agree that diva cups are suboptimal when BDing. If I can manage it, I will try to BD anyway but it isn't always possible. I do prefer that option anyway!

I wanted to update bc I've been having a lot of fertile CM lately. Watery yesterday and today EWCM. I only had that one day of moderate EWCM (on O day) my first cycle on Clomid. Maybe plenty of fertile CM and Clomid is what I need? I'm planning to attempt EOD starting today CD12. This is early for me to have so much fertile CM while swaying, too, so I'm hopeful that I'll O soon. I have much more O pain and darker OPKs than last time on Clomid (I am also even sicker from the Clomid in terms of side effects).

Provided my copious fertile CM continues through/up to O, do you still think I should use YesBaby? Or only if my CM turns creamy/reduces substantially in amount? I have upped my fat and protein the past month, and had several servings of red meat right around my last AF. So that may be affecting my CM, as I have found that blue friendly fats really up my fertile CM.

Edited to add: do you think it matters that I don't/can't orgasm due to my pain meds? All the times I conceived I'm pretty sure I came, possibly multiple times. It happens really easily and quickly for me from just penetration. Looking back, the only times I was regularly sexually active and DIDN'T accidentally get pregnant at least once per year (prior to getting an IUD) was when I couldn't orgasm due to being on Prozac. Do you think I should try coming off my pain meds temporarily? It will really suck bc I'll go into withdrawal, but I could maybe manage it once in my fertile period. Maybe I need the contractions to help sperm get into my tilted cervix?

This is one of those crystal ball questions I honestly don't know the answer to (about the Yes Baby). Even the sperm safe lubes have been shown to be inferior and my gut instinct is to skip it if you have EWCM BUT then again when what we're doing isn't working then it may be time to change it up. I probably woudn't use it if I had EWCM.

Re orgasm - it has been shown to help so if there's any way to give it a try, it is certainly something we can change up. I don't know how much pain you're in though. The other thing that may help and I know this is complicated due to having a donor is more sex with ejaculation inside, since a recent study has shown this may improve odds of conception.

Maiden - I don't know much about pain meds but could you maybe try cutting back on them instead of coming off them altogether? Would that work? I can remember years ago being on a different antidepressant to what I'm on now and when on a lower dose I could have an orgasm but when I was on a higher dose I couldn't. Would your pain meds work like that? Otherwise maybe do as Atomic suggested and not take them just for that time? Good luck. :)

Thanks so much atomic. I will be trying regular inseminatios all cycle long as often as I can now, bc I do think that could help. I inseminated in the morning on CD13 (it's very early CD15 now), and even though he had last ejaculated 3 days before, there was only about 1ml! It's the smallest amount I've seen him produce. I had a lot of EWCM but I did coat the (bigger than previous times) syringe with a light layer of YesBaby. I put my face in the bed and butt in the air and squirted it in, then stayed like that for 5 min before lying down for 2.5 hours. I've never done that butt up position when inseminating so I hope it helps.

1moregirl, unfortunately my pain is severe and my ability to orgasm is not dose dependent. I have to be completely off the meds or like 90%. I was the same way when I took Prozac/Effexor but I had to wait days for it to leave my system. At least with my painkillers I only have to wait 10-12 hours. Sex wasn't an option anyway 2 days ago but it may be tonight. Sometimes I need to travel to my donor though, and I can't safely drive off my meds bc of how distracting the pain is. So we'll see. I appreciate the idea though, it's a good one! Some meds that inhibit big O I can manage at lower doses but even then it takes a long time and lot of effort (like an hour) and I'm not that patient!

I really want to get more attempts in but I also just wish I'd Oed already so I could stop worrying about it! Sadly it doesn't seem like I will O earlier as I had hoped. Ugh I'm so sick of TTC.

Good luck Maiden! I hope this is the month. :heart:

It didn't work out with the new donor, but I got attempts in on O-3 and O-1 via usual donor. I think I'm Oing today/CD17, got my first positive OPK yesterday. This is the first cycle I've had 2 attempts in my fertile period.