Think I'm out. :(

If you look at my chart my BbT went down slightly this morning, plus I did a First Response HPT and got a BFN. Not even a hint of a second line. Last year with my BFP cycle I had a BFP on the day of 9DPO so I've pretty much given up. I'm just worried now that maybe I have got Asherman's Syndrome but am going to make an appointment with thwt Ob/gyn specialist I have a referral for. I just have this instinct that something is up and I remember a doctor telling me last year that a D & C can cause scarring that makes you unable to conceive. I'm just feeling angry and empty. I can't begin to imagine what women with no children and years of ttc and infertility go through. I really thought I'd nailed it this time round. Maybe DH is taking some form of contraception? ;) lol! But being so anti-baby there is no way he would go and get his swimmers checked.

My best friend swayed for a girl and then gave up after her miscarriage and D&C at 12 weeks. She then had 2 more early miscarriages within a year. After the third miscarriage she saw a RE and they did a hysteroscopy (looking inside the uterus with a camera). The RE found several adhesions and lots of inflammation, which she said was from the D&C a year prior. She broke up the adhesions manually (which my friend said was so painful she was screaming) and she was also put on a strong course of antibiotics. My friend sat out that cycle to allow the antibiotics to run their course and allow the inflammation to go down, but she got pregnant the following cycle after the hysteroscopy. She is currently 38 weeks pregnant with a girl. She started swaying in October 2013 and she's just now getting her baby.

If you're worried, see an RE, but you're only on your second cycle TTC so I wouldn't jump to the worst case scenarios just yet. It may take up to a year, even with well timed BD. I got pregnant with my boys without even trying, but it took 5 cycles with pregnancy #3. Things change. And swaying girl reduces fertility and makes it even harder. If you got pregnant on the first or second try I would think your fertility wasn't reduced enough and that you'd end up having another boy.

Essnce - thanks Hun. I found your words really comforting. It just almost makes things difficult when your DH is not fully on board (as you well know) - the last thing they are going to offer to do is go out and get their sperm analysed for things. I really think I might take your advice and go to my GP tomorrow and get a referral to a RE. Maybe I just need to do a hysteroscopy for my peace of mind. So, for a hysteroscopy, is the patient awake Hun? I must google it and take a look. Also, how old was your friend when she went through all that? Thanks :)

Hi 1moregirl,

Sorry for your BFN. It really is early still. Sometimes it takes the egg longer to implant. I was a 9-10 dpo girl myself but my last pg I only got a bfp on 11 dpo, so try again for the next 2 days.

If you would feel better getting checked out for peace of mind then go do it but you dont seem to have any AS symptoms from what I can see on your charts (nice long AF with variable flow). I doubt it is your dh as you did get pg just last year.

I know at our age we feel so impatient & want to be PG NOW but ironically it takes us longer.


Also, i notice last year you ttc in Apr (BFN), May (BFN) and June you finally got the egg (BFP). It may just be a matter of ttc for a few more cycles to catch that great egg! This is only try #2....You wanted a summer baby so that gives you a bit of time to practice and hopefully your DH will come around by then.

My friend was 34, she'll be 35 in July. Her DH is the same age.

I have NEVER seen a single case of Asherman's in all this time and thousands of people TTC many after D and C.

I know I sound like a broken record but it is just harder to get pregnant when we are such a fine vintage as you and I. :) I understand you want to have any other reason but the odds are good it just wasn't your month this month.

Thanks ladies. I really just had my heart set on a December baby and looks like it isn't going to be. I haven't tested today and I'm not going to again. Just sitting now and waiting for AF to arrive. I keep getting period pains on and off but nothing yet. I just don't want to test again and be disappointed again. I keep thinking maybe DH is taking a BCP of some description but you're probably right Atomic - it probably is just me and the older eggs. Maybe I just striked it lucky last year in June. I think maybe I just have to accept that it might not happen and just keep trying and be pleasantly surprised if it does happen. Thanks for your support ladies. Much appreciated. :) xxoo

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Yup. Just keep at her and enjoy the condomless shaggin' :hug2:

December babies seriously suck though. Everyone I know with a December birthday wishes it could be any other month. They complain about
a) birthday taking back seat to Christmas festivities
b) no one available (too busy with shopping/Christmas parties/going away)
c) when someone remembers its usually an after thought
d) the dreaded Christmas/Birthday combo present

I've had mums plan their Christmas baby birthday parties in April - even in July (six months late)

I think the best months to have a birthday are Feb-- Oct.

Yes, December is the one month I really wouldn't want to have a baby for all the reasons mentioned above.

And there really is no birth control for men, so unless your DH went out and got a secret vasectomy without you knowing, it probably just isn't your month. I'm 100% in agreement with Atomic on this one.

This article says women over 40 should seek help from an RE after TTC for 3 months. This is because you don't have the luxury of trying for months on end since egg quality is already greatly diminished. But like Atomic said, it just may be awhile till Goldie decides to make her appearance. But maybe seeing an RE would get you some Clomid or Femara, which helps improve egg quality and sways girl.

Age and Fertility Analysis and Statistics - SCCRM

Oh and how many dpo are you and can you post your chart? I can't see your link on Tapatalk.

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Hi 1moregirl,

Sorry for your BFN. It really is early still. Sometimes it takes the egg longer to implant. I was a 9-10 dpo girl myself but my last pg I only got a bfp on 11 dpo, so try again for the next 2 days.

If you would feel better getting checked out for peace of mind then go do it but you dont seem to have any AS symptoms from what I can see on your charts (nice long AF with variable flow). I doubt it is your dh as you did get pg just last year.

I know at our age we feel so impatient & want to be PG NOW but ironically it takes us longer.


Also, i notice last year you ttc in Apr (BFN), May (BFN) and June you finally got the egg (BFP). It may just be a matter of ttc for a few more cycles to catch that great egg! This is only try #2....You wanted a summer baby so that gives you a bit of time to practice and hopefully your DH will come around by then.

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Hi Hun. In April of last year I was just charting Hun and we weren't attempting to conceive. Any BDs that I had marked we had used a condom. And then in May I tried one insemination attempt and by the time we BD without a condom I had already Oed so was it was too late. That is why I said I got pregnant last year in the first try, because it literally was the first try. Last June I also had 2 BD attempts in my fertile window also, instead of just the one. On CD13 of that cycle I got a pos Ovuplan OPK (but neg clear blue)and we BD that night plus again on CD 17 (this day I Oed). I wanted to do a 3 day cut off plus a O+12 attempt you see, but I Oed a day later than expected so it became a 4 day cut off plus O+12 attempt. I don't know. Next time I think I will start BD the day before a pos OPK and just keep on BD once a day all the way through til after O. I'm just soooo bummed. My chart had been looking soooo good. I haven't tested again today and I'm not going to again now. Just going to assume that AF will be here in a few days. :(

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So you're only 10dpo today and you last tested on 9dpo and got a BFN? Your chart still looks good and you still have a chance till AF arrives. I would trust a BFN at 12dpo, but definitely not at 9dpo which is still really early. If implantation isn't till 8 or 9dpo, and hcg can't be detected till 2-3 days after implantation, then it wouldn't even be possible to get a BFP till 10-12dpo. You still have a chance. Personally, I try not to test before 11dpo and even then it's only with a FRER.

Thanks Essnce. I keep feeling pains as if AF is on its way, but I know you can get that any time before AF actually does arrive so not a reliable pregnancy symptom. Yes I def won't be doing any more tests for a few more days. Will even try hanging off for as long as possible. When I think about, back in 2011 when we were overseas in Sth America, I didn't test until the first day of my missed period (or the day after) and I only had a faint second line then. That was with DS2 (my 3rd child). If I don't get a BFP this time I will def do more than one attempt in the fertile window next cycle and see what happens.

I forgot to mention that this morning when I first took my BBT it was only 36.55. I thought it was too low and that maybe I hadn't inserted thermometer in far enough to get an accurate temp so I redid it straight away and the second reading was 36.82 and so I recorded that one. Did I do the right thing or should I have recorded the 36.55? If I put in 36.55 it's nearly touching the red line on my chart.

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I would use the 36.82 temp. It wouldnt make sense for you to have such a huge drop at this point in your cycle....unless it was an implantation dip? Kinda late for that i think...those usually show at 6-8 dpo on a chart.

I had stark white BFN at 9-10 dpo and i thought i was out and had wine...next am I had a squinter bfp!

One day's temps can be misleading. We are registering tenths and hundredths of degrees here and it is absolutely possible to have one day be off for a variety of reasons. That's hwy we don't put any importance into one day's temps and instead look at the overall pattern to tell us if we ovulated and roughly when and if we may possibly be pregnant.

Do not read anything into one temp. You should put down the FIRST one you took because just the activity of worrying about if the temp is right or if you inserted therm. far enough can make your temp go up a smidge, and smidges on temps change evrything when charting.

9 DPO is TOO EARLY to test. I strongly urge against anyone testing that early.

This is today's chart. BBT went back up this morning.

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Looking at my chart, maybe I got my O day wrong? It's a bit of a pain in the bottom that I don't have solid cross lines and FF isn't marking my DPO. Too scared to test again so just waiting as long as I can.

With me, FF always takes away the cross lines if I record EWCM after ovulation day. Could you try removing the CM data and see if it does it then? Your chart looks good to me :)

The temp on 1dpo is hollow, did you take the temp at a different time? I think your O date looks like it would be correct unless the 1dpo temp was taken much later than normal.

Thanks honeybee and Purple. I'll check out what time I took temp at 1DPO. If I don't get a BFP this time I'm wondering also if it could be due to illness with my DH. He has said for the last four months he has been suffering from sore throats, watery eyes and a cough. He says it happens mainly after a few hours of being at his office and by the time he is leaving to come home he is feeling as though he is coming down with a flu or something. He has been working from home a lot and currently having some testing done at the doctor. Could be just plain old hay fever though as some tests showed he has allergy to dust and pollen. He also has to have a CT scan on his chest as an X-ray showed small scarring on lung (which he has known about for years). Or he could just be run down and having a virus. Poor thing. I also have an appointment for Ob/gyn who specialises in fertility on 18th May, so will see what he says when the time comes. I'm kinda passed the point of being disappointed now and am more thinking "what will be, will be." Either way I cannot be disappointed because God has already blessed me with three beautiful healthy children whom I couldn't possibly love and adore any more than I already do. Just a pity one of your kids can't stay as a baby forever.....Hehehehe! Anyway, I've accepted that I'm out and I'm not going to test again as I've found it too disappointing and I get eye strain from staring at the test. If I am indeed not pregnant though, Mother Nature will sure have been tormenting me after giving me a promising looking chart and a few symptoms that made me excited. ;)

Let's see what tomorrow brings.

I worked in a busy andrology lab for a few years and have probably done over a thousand semen analysis'. From what I've seen, guys sperm *typically* doesn't change all that drastically over a few years unless they've started steroids (or other strong meds), been on chemotherapy or have some other pretty drastic medical issues (ie. paralysis, etc.). Although there are always exceptions, I suppose. Has your DH started any new prescription meds in the past few years? Your DH has proven fertility. In fact, I would probably put money on the fact that your DH's semen parameters fall within the normal range. I would not hassle him, or stress in any way that his sperm is faulty due to work stress, allergies, etc. I know you are looking for something to fix, but really, it just comes down to catching the right egg!

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I worked in a busy andrology lab for a few years and have probably done over a thousand semen analysis'. From what I've seen, guys sperm *typically* doesn't change all that drastically over a few years unless they've started steroids (or other strong meds), been on chemotherapy or have some other pretty drastic medical issues (ie. paralysis, etc.). Although there are always exceptions, I suppose. Has your DH started any new prescription meds in the past few years? Your DH has proven fertility. In fact, I would probably put money on the fact that your DH's semen parameters fall within the normal range. I would not hassle him, or stress in any way that his sperm is faulty due to work stress, allergies, etc. I know you are looking for something to fix, but really, it just comes down to catching the right egg!

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Nicoler - thanks for that message. That was soooo helpful and insightful. DH hasn't been taking any new medications. He doesn't take any at all so he's very lucky. He's only been taking the OLE. I guess maybe I really did just fluke it last year when I got pregnant first try in June. And maybe my egg quality has diminished since then. I don't know. I'd been taking ubiquinol and everything though so I thought all of that would help I suppose. This next cycle I will def try to get in two attempts in the fertile window at least I think. Maybe every 4 days of BD just reduces DHS sperm count too much? Some days I even punish myself with thoughts that this is my penalty for being a bit sneaky in getting pregnant last year. I'd gone to sooo much trouble and all on my own to get pregnant and then maybe taking the zofran or overdoing things caused my miscarriage (like I ruined the pregnancy I'd worked soooo hard to achieve) and now after the D & C I'll be left infertile. I haven't mentioned anything to DH about his sperm quality or anything like that because he has enough on his plate with his current health issues. Thanks for listening to me waffle on and for all your advice Nicole and Atomic and other ladies. My BBt this morn dropped to 36.77 and I'm 12DPO. I can't bring myself to do any more HPTs.

1moregirl,

(((HUGS)))

I'm so sorry this cycle didn't work out :(

I know the pain & doubt after emergrncy D&C all too well. My hemoglobin was at 80 afterwards (normal is 140)...it took me months to recover & get DH to let me do one more hi tek try....they even put 2 day 5 blast girls in me and they didn't take and then my paranoia REALLY set in about how it must be from the d&c... I was so depressed ...and then i decided to lose weight and go on a girl diet and I didnt give two figs if I got pg or not (in fact my mental state was that it was such a long shot so I was just enjoying the BD and not thinking of it....and bam! 3 months after I thought it was over I got pg wth my girl!

I've had the same crazy thoughts as you. I blamed myself for not taking progesterone and staying on the diet too long after bfp which caused the miscarriage...but testing showed it was just a bum egg. Nothing I did or didnt do.

Now everytime I see a pg woman i think about how far along I should be....

I think taking a laid back approach like you are doing will help alot. ...Plus we get to be cycle buddies next month! yay! We just need to find that golden egg...

thanks Mrs Goodies. And I couldn't believe how exciting my chart had looked for a while there. Plus I thought I had some symptoms (amazing what tricks our minds can play on our bodies and/vice versa) - I think in the 2WW our mind is soooo desperately wanting to be pregnant that it somehow persuades our bodies into producing symptoms (which can of course be usual 2WW symptoms according to hormones, or impending AF). Anyway, it's just sooo hard because I will be turning 45 in October of this year and I don't want to be going to trying to conceive for long. Part of me keeps telling myself I'm too old now and I should just give up. I could have another miscarriage conceive a baby with serious things wrong with it. I need to find peace that it just might not happen for me again - another baby, that is. And do what you did and have more regular sex again and just enjoy it. I'm almost tempted to ditch BBT altogether as well.

Every 4 days is GOOD for DH's sperm count.

I don't know what's going wrong. I got AF yesterday and pain has been a lot milder and bleeding not that bad. My periods used to be very painful and the first 2-3 days would be quite heavy. Plus the last few periods I have noticed a bit of clotting on the pads (sorry for tmi). Is this normal or could it indicate uterine scarring? I think I'm going to have to have that scan they can do to tell otherwise I am just constantly going to be thinking of that potential issue. Plus DH has been really run down so surely that could have an affect on sperm production? I am def going to do more attempts this next cycle and see what happens. I'm tempted to just BD every day all the way through my fertile period whether it sways girl or not.

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I don't know what's going wrong. I got AF yesterday and pain has been a lot milder and bleeding not that bad. My periods used to be very painful and the first 2-3 days would be quite heavy. Plus the last few periods I have noticed a bit of clotting on the pads (sorry for tmi). Is this normal or could it indicate uterine scarring? I think I'm going to have to have that scan they can do to tell otherwise I am just constantly going to be thinking of that potential issue. Plus DH has been really run down so surely that could have an affect on sperm production? I am def going to do more attempts this next cycle and see what happens. I'm tempted to just BD every day all the way through my fertile period whether it sways girl or not.

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1moregirl,

I'm sorry last cycle didn't work out for you and that AF is acting funny. I'm not sure about the possibility of it being because of uterine scarring, but if they've been normal up until now since the D & C, my guess is that it's not due to uterine scarring. I think getting the scan is a really good idea. It will help ease your mind about the situation.

Hugs, and good luck to you for this next cycle. [emoji2]

1moregirl I just happened to stumble across this thread. I'm really sorry to see af came :( but please don't bd every day of your fertile period next cycle. If possible bd e2d or even e3d from cd8 then again at pos opk. If you dtd every day you are going to deplete dh's sperm supply to the point of firing blanks when it counts IMO. Us and our dh's aren't spring chickens anymore unfortunately..

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Yes, I agree with Pbn3 and would also recommend NOT BD every day. Every other day or every 3 days is much better.

Sorry, I meant BD all the way through around the time of O, not all the way from AF to O. Lol! I've also got a multivitamin for DH just because he has been sooo rundown and sick, plus extra Vit E and a supp that has zinc and OLE in it. I figure that can't hurt too much since he cycles too and from work almost every day. I also think I need to be more relaxed about it all as well as I have been quite consumed about wanting to be pregnant again. Thanks for being sooo supportive to me....I know I can be like a scratched record with my issues. Lol. :)

I think you are putting way too much emphasis on symptom spotting looking for some reason you haven't gotten pregnant but the reality is that you have barely tried and the age issue is a much more likely reason (if there is a reason)

Have the scan if it gives you peace of mind. It is always possible something is going on (although just to reiterate, I have NEVER seen a case of Asherman's in all my time doing this and have seen like 3 dozen tubal pregnancies in that time, just to give you a comparison here) But I will tell you that not only pink swaying causes lighter periods, but also getting older does as well. I have been having very short light periods for the last two years and I'm not swaying at all. Clotting is normal too, it just means that the bleeding started off quickly and the anti-clotting factors your body makes don't have time to work and you make a little clot. It's no big deal at all.

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1moregirl I just happened to stumble across this thread. I'm really sorry to see af came :( but please don't bd every day of your fertile period next cycle. If possible bd e2d or even e3d from cd8 then again at pos opk. If you dtd every day you are going to deplete dh's sperm supply to the point of firing blanks when it counts IMO. Us and our dh's aren't spring chickens anymore unfortunately..

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Hi 1moregirl,

If you had uterine scarring you wouldn't have any clotting at all...just scant light flow (like barely filling 1 pad per day). The fact that you are getting some clotting means you had a nice thick lining this month. After my D&C i was paraoid that my clotting disappeared...but it slowly came back ver several cycles. My dr. told me that is a good sign the endometrium is building back up to pre-surgery levels.

My af is due any day now and I am having the opposite problem. After my mc i wanted to ttc asap, but now that its a few days away I am getting cold feet! I keep thinking of reasons to postpone another month or so....maybe its some PTSD from the m/c? I dont understand it. I couldnt wait and now I'm hesitating....cuckoo right!?:owl:

Thanks ladies. I have read that Asherman's Syndrome is rare but then part of me keeps thinking it would be just my luck to have gotten it. But I could be wrong. It is just really difficult after falling pregnant first try last year in June and in 2011 when I was 40 it was just one BD out of the blue and bingo. So it just gets me worried that it won't happen again for me and when you're faced with that it seems to make you want it all the more. I really need to start getting out and doing more exercise too as I have been a real couch potato lately and slacked off on diet. I have been a bit down in the dumps because of other things going on as well (I have a sister closeby who is not talking to me...hasn't spoken to me since January, for example), plus I sometimes remember I should've had a little newborn by now if all had Ve worked out last year. I will get the scan just for piece of mind. This period has so far been a lot lighter than usual and barely any pain. I see to have to take a few panadol for the first two days for period pain and had really heavy flow and would change a pad 3 or 4 times a day but so far for this one, it has only been twice a day at the most. Should I keep just taking 100mg of the ubiquinol? Is that enough to make a difference? I have read of women taking 400-600 mg of it but I don't think I could afford to do that anyway. Oh well....back to the drawing board. I just don't want to be 46 and still trying and I know there's nothing wrong with that but it's just getting too close to 50 for my liking. I have to try to be less focused about it all I think and just go with the flow. I also have to accept that it may not happen so will be praying for that peace also. :)