skipping breakfast - a quick rant

Why is it that of all the stuff I've looked into and different suggestions regarding swaying that totally seem to be working very well for us, that the ONLY thing that seems to have caught on in the main****** is skipping breakfast for pink??? Seriously, that is such a very minor thing and not particularly effective compared to lots of other things. It has consistently been either the same success rate as the overall success rate of the site, or even lower, indicating that it is really not helping add anything extra to the sway.

So why has that been seized on of all the things??? I have these people coming to me for sway plans and they are literally doing everything against every recommendation that I feel we've all but completely proved (like coffee, alcohol, fiber, one attempt, cardio exercise, etc) or DISproved (like timing, pH, acidophilus, sodium, tons of the supps IG, etc) But they're all skipping breakfast!!! Why is it just this one relatively unimportant thing that has become part of the "Official Old-School Sway advice?" Is it just because it's easy to make it a part of the whole without going against any other recommendations previously made, or something???

Seriously girls - skipping breakfast is great if you can do it. But if you can't, or don't want to, let it go. It is NOWHERE near as effective as an overall LE Diet longer than 12 weeks plus fiber, coffee, and alcohol, cardio exercise, and one attempt. And please at least consider letting go of the things that are clearly NOT working (since we are getting great results without using them) rather than thinking that skipping breakfast is some kind of magic bullet. It isn't, and a lot of the old school sway advice either sways BLUE or cuts odds of conception so far that you may as well take a birth control pill as use them.

Lol it must be because it's a relatively easy thing to do. I conceived my girl when I was eating breakfast and when I was eating meat. But I wasn't having any snacks in between meals (i felt hungry lots!) and I was drinking alcohol regularly and she was a one attempt conception. Plus she was unplanned so no stressing over getting pregnant etc. So lots of other pink friendly things going on there. I'm skipping breakfast currently for this sway but I'm also drinking coffee, alcohol, not snacking, exercising, taking fibre and eating a vegetarian diet. But yes it's obvious from every failed pink sway that we see on this site that skipping breakfast isn't the be-all and end-all because almost 100% of pink sway opposites skipped breakfast.

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I skipped breakfast when I got my 4th son!! Just because I also did it when I got my DD, clearly it did not come down to that one little thing. :)

The thing that seemed to work the best for me to get my girls was cutting down the protein and fat. I'd easily eat the daily limit or more in one meal every single day, sometimes more than one meal a day. I was also skipping breakfast, but that ties into cutting protein and fat. Breakfast for me is normally bacon or sausage with eggs and a big glass of milk. LOL

Damn, and here I thought finally eating breakfast after going without for over a decade would make a difference :/ Trying to work on incorporating more snacks at least for blue...

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Originally Posted by familymatters

Lol it must be because it's a relatively easy thing to do. I conceived my girl when I was eating breakfast and when I was eating meat. But I wasn't having any snacks in between meals (i felt hungry lots!) and I was drinking alcohol regularly and she was a one attempt conception. Plus she was unplanned so no stressing over getting pregnant etc. So lots of other pink friendly things going on there. I'm skipping breakfast currently for this sway but I'm also drinking coffee, alcohol, not snacking, exercising, taking fibre and eating a vegetarian diet. But yes it's obvious from every failed pink sway that we see on this site that skipping breakfast isn't the be-all and end-all because almost 100% of pink sway opposites skipped breakfast.

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What would you say changed for you when you got your boys?

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Think of it this way TP, eating at regular intervals helps for blue. You don't want to go too long between meals- so it's all about snacking. You don't have to eat a lot of food at once, you just have to eat frequently. For my first 2 boys, I ate 1500-1800 calories but I had smallish meals because I had 2-3 small snacks throughout the day. I always included a protein of sorts for snacks. Think of keeping your blood sugar stable without spiking. I never had empty carbs. Fruit, nuts, veggies paired with cheeses, granola, meats with whole grains, etc. I never had coffee- I loved my green tea with either honey or lemon in the mornings, and I had sun tea (sun brewed black tea) with lemon in the afternoon. If I had a sweet tooth, I would have a full sugar soda with a meal, and I loved my beer! My beer at night was always paired with a small snack of a handful of nuts or jerky (I love venison jerky!!)

I hope this helps you! Feel free to PM me anytime! I could always use pink strategies, although it's gotten to be second nature for me now!!




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Yeah i have read about people swaying that involved 2 iced coffees for their morning and only toast at lunch and dinner....and i'm over here thinking i would literally starve on that sway "diet" ....

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What would you say changed for you when you got your boys?

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My boys were different because with both I was snacking frequently - more like constant grazing really because by that point I was a SAHM so I had the pantry within easy reach. I always ate healthy but it was high protein. Breakfast would be oats, snacks would be a banana or almonds, lunch was salad and tuna, dinner was almost always red meat. Because I was ttc I never drank alcohol during the week and I also never drank coffee - always tea. I also went for a 45min brisk wall 4 days a week with the boys, no exercise at all when I got my DD. Also, I think the most detrimental thing that swayed blue for me was our multiple attempts. From CD 7 til I would get a positive OPK we dtd every second day. Then when I would get a positive OPK we would dtd that night and the next. I also never j&d, whereas I did j&d with my girl. Plus my boys were planned so I was highly focused on "getting pregnant" as I like to be efficient and not leave anything to chance, I like to get that egg first shot haha! Also I was taking prenatal vitamins with my boys but I wasn't when we conceived our daughter. So as you can see although I still ate meat and breakfast with my girl there was big differences everywhere else.

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I found that I snacked without even being aware I was snacking. Being at home with the kids, it would be cereal for breakfast, then a sweet biscuit here and there, then tea all day long with milk, no sugar. Lunch, toasted sandwich or peanut better sandwich, easy food. Then a chocolate in the afternoon, then a good dinner with meat every night with veg or salad, sometimes custard or pudding after dinner. I honestly did not realise how much food I actually ate because my kids love to snack. Cereal bars are my favourite. I have always snacked rather than eating big meals because I am lazy. The only reason I had a good dinner is because my hubby loves to cook and he loves his meat.

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I found that I snacked without even being aware I was snacking. Being at home with the kids, it would be cereal for breakfast, then a sweet biscuit here and there, then tea all day long with milk, no sugar. Lunch, toasted sandwich or peanut better sandwich, easy food. Then a chocolate in the afternoon, then a good dinner with meat every night with veg or salad, sometimes custard or pudding after dinner. I honestly did not realise how much food I actually ate because my kids love to snack. Cereal bars are my favourite. I have always snacked rather than eating big meals because I am lazy. The only reason I had a good dinner is because my hubby loves to cook and he loves his meat.

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Ha - i could have written this myself! My DH cooks our dinners too. He loves it.
LE opened my eyes to my constant snacking all day long! Didnt realise it otherwise! :think:
I personally think the snacking and BD every other day is the way forward for blue swayers. But that could possibly be because i have two boys doing that and not necessarily the only two boyish things i had going for me at the time!!

Funny, how us boy mums find so many things that we have in common when we break it down. It is so much easier to snack than make meals ;)
Huge change for me being on LE, but I am used to it now. No snacking!!!!! :)

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Funny, how us boy mums find so many things that we have in common when we break it down. It is so much easier to snack than make meals ;)
Huge change for me being on LE, but I am used to it now. No snacking!!!!! :)

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Yes, that is it!! I would put zero effort into my own meals!!! And even when i did slap a basic meal together i would be snacking 20 minutes later! I find it so bizarre that girl moms ttc boy have to remind themselves to snack!! But i guess that's like us having to remind ourselves to stop! Lol..

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My boys were different because with both I was snacking frequently - more like constant grazing really because by that point I was a SAHM so I had the pantry within easy reach. I always ate healthy but it was high protein. Breakfast would be oats, snacks would be a banana or almonds, lunch was salad and tuna, dinner was almost always red meat. Because I was ttc I never drank alcohol during the week and I also never drank coffee - always tea. I also went for a 45min brisk wall 4 days a week with the boys, no exercise at all when I got my DD. Also, I think the most detrimental thing that swayed blue for me was our multiple attempts. From CD 7 til I would get a positive OPK we dtd every second day. Then when I would get a positive OPK we would dtd that night and the next. I also never j&d, whereas I did j&d with my girl. Plus my boys were planned so I was highly focused on "getting pregnant" as I like to be efficient and not leave anything to chance, I like to get that egg first shot haha! Also I was taking prenatal vitamins with my boys but I wasn't when we conceived our daughter. So as you can see although I still ate meat and breakfast with my girl there was big differences everywhere else.

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I might follow your meal/snacks, those all sound doable to me! Especially since I did what you for DTD for your boys but got my girl.

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Think of it this way TP, eating at regular intervals helps for blue. You don't want to go too long between meals- so it's all about snacking. You don't have to eat a lot of food at once, you just have to eat frequently. For my first 2 boys, I ate 1500-1800 calories but I had smallish meals because I had 2-3 small snacks throughout the day. I always included a protein of sorts for snacks. Think of keeping your blood sugar stable without spiking. I never had empty carbs. Fruit, nuts, veggies paired with cheeses, granola, meats with whole grains, etc. I never had coffee- I loved my green tea with either honey or lemon in the mornings, and I had sun tea (sun brewed black tea) with lemon in the afternoon. If I had a sweet tooth, I would have a full sugar soda with a meal, and I loved my beer! My beer at night was always paired with a small snack of a handful of nuts or jerky (I love venison jerky!!)

I hope this helps you! Feel free to PM me anytime! I could always use pink strategies, although it's gotten to be second nature for me now!!




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Thank you! I was doing so well getting into a snacking groove while pregnant, but I'm slipping back into longer gaps between meals with my DD -- so many moments of "Well I'll eat after I feed/play/change her" 😣

And I'd never recommend what I did for my daughter lol. 800 calorie days on top of 300+ minutes of exercise a week, one meal a day, no red meat ever, lots of coffee and alcohol. Had just gotten off BC too, and husband was stressed/defeated at work and smoking a weekly cigar. Perfect storm! Me getting pregnant first shot seems a little amazing with how much I've learned about fertility.

But you drinking beer for your boys is just what I like to hear, haha!

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Yes, that is it!! I would put zero effort into my own meals!!! And even when i did slap a basic meal together i would be snacking 20 minutes later! I find it so bizarre that girl moms ttc boy have to remind themselves to snack!! But i guess that's like us having to remind ourselves to stop! Lol..

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That's so me! Granted, I had an ED for over half of my life, but I'm so used to ignoring my hunger signs!

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Damn, and here I thought finally eating breakfast after going without for over a decade would make a difference :/ Trying to work on incorporating more snacks at least for blue...

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EATING breakfast is a very good thing for blue swayers to do. We have to get over the idea that just because something is important for one set of swayers to do, that therefore the opposite is also equally effective/mandatory.

Blue swayers - eat breakfast if at ALL possible especially if you've gotten girls without it.
Pink swayers - skip it if you can, but it is just one small thing and NOT some cornerstone of LE Diet. You can do LE Diet WITHOUT skipping breakfast - the important things on LE Diet is sticking in the limits of the diet and getting more of your protein and fat intake from vegetable sources rather than animal, and not eating all day every day. There is a huge difference between eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and eating like a Hobbit, which many of us boy moms do..."First Breakfast, Second Breakfast, Elevensies, Lunch, Teatime, Dinner, Supper, Dessert, Bedtime Snack, Midnight Snack."

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I might follow your meal/snacks, those all sound doable to me! Especially since I did what you for DTD for your boys but got my girl.

I'm slipping back into longer gaps between meals with my DD -- so many moments of "Well I'll eat after I feed/play/change her" 😣

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PinkPony mentioned she would have a sweet biscuit and cup of tea here and there, and I used to do this too, so maybe make a point of trying to have a small snack every 2 hours (although I would have probably eaten something every hour) so say breakfast is 7am, I would have a cup of tea and a biscuit at 9am, handful of almonds at 10am, banana at 11am and then lunch at 12. I may not have had another snack til 2pm but it would have been a slice of cheese, maybe a few lollies or piece of chocolate at 3pm with another cup of tea, then dinner at 6pm (whilst I was making dinner I'd usually snack on the ingredients I was chopping up etc). So really it was constant grazing. The snacks don't have to be big, but they are usually high protein or sugary. I drank 3 cups of tea a day and if it wasn't black tea it was green tea. It is so foreign to me that someone could forget to have a snack haha, my brain is always thinking hmm what can I eat next?? :D

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PinkPony mentioned she would have a sweet biscuit and cup of tea here and there, and I used to do this too, so maybe make a point of trying to have a small snack every 2 hours (although I would have probably eaten something every hour) so say breakfast is 7am, I would have a cup of tea and a biscuit at 9am, handful of almonds at 10am, banana at 11am and then lunch at 12. I may not have had another snack til 2pm but it would have been a slice of cheese, maybe a few lollies or piece of chocolate at 3pm with another cup of tea, then dinner at 6pm (whilst I was making dinner I'd usually snack on the ingredients I was chopping up etc). So really it was constant grazing. The snacks don't have to be big, but they are usually high protein or sugary. I drank 3 cups of tea a day and if it wasn't black tea it was green tea. It is so foreign to me that someone could forget to have a snack haha, my brain is always thinking hmm what can I eat next?? :D

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How big were you (or anyone else's) lunches and dinners? I feel like I need to eat half a sandwich at lunch to feel hungry enough to snack.

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How big were you (or anyone else's) lunches and dinners? I feel like I need to eat half a sandwich at lunch to feel hungry enough to snack.

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Umm lunches were usually a salad and a can of tuna. So that's not big in my books. Dinner was usually a fairly decent size, maybe a 250gm steak with lots of buttery mash and green veggies. Or a big bowl of spaghetti bolg. Always always meat though. Chicken, beef, lamb. I've known in my family as a bottomless pit I have to admit. Yet I'm not overweight at all so even with all my snacking etc I usually consumed around 2000 cals

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I used to drink so much tea - about 10 cups a day with full cream milk plus milk in cereal. I am quite sure my diet was mainly made up of protien. Every meal apart from breakfast, unless it was eggs, I had more protien, such a meat. Ham on sandwiches, chicken, steak, spagetti bolognese, curry, always meat!

I would have pasta maybe once a week. Bread for sandwiches, stayed away from potatos, so I would have been so over in calories with protien and constant snacking. It is easy just to snack on the run. Oh my tummy is rumbling just writing about all this food.

Honestly, try tea, with biscuits all day long. I never drank soda or alcohol.

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Half a sandwich :suprise: I want your life! Lol...

But if you had a sandwich at lunch usually, would that be you done until dinner?
Every time you make a cup of tea just have it with your fav biscuits! :)

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How big were you (or anyone else's) lunches and dinners? I feel like I need to eat half a sandwich at lunch to feel hungry enough to snack.

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:agree: :agree: :agree: not eating can be suppressive of appetite as your metabolism shifts and your stomach shrinks. That's why the blue swayers have such a time with the HE Diet when for many of us all-boy moms, it's about what we eat normally anyway.

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How big were you (or anyone else's) lunches and dinners? I feel like I need to eat half a sandwich at lunch to feel hungry enough to snack.

Half a sandwich :suprise: I want your life! Lol...

But if you had a sandwich at lunch usually, would that be you done until dinner?
Every time you make a cup of tea just have it with your fav biscuits! :)

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A lot of the blue swayers do not eat breakfast or lunch, and then have only dinner. This is a regular thing for them.

My mom never ate breakfast except occasionally on the weekend. Then she'd have a small, child-size hot lunch at her school (she was a grade school teacher) and then dinner. That was it. I never saw her snack after work, and while she did occasionally have a snack after dinner, it was something very small like a piece of bread or a couple teaspoons peanut butter with (fake) maple syrup in it. Drank black coffee all day.

My mum (who only had me) never ate breakfast, had a hot lunch (meat/ potatoes/ veggies/ gravy) then maybe an apple/ piece of toast or something else teeny tiny for 'dinner'. She was a UK 10 (and this is going back 30 odd years so probably similar to a UK 8 now I'd say) X

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A lot of the blue swayers do not eat breakfast or lunch, and then have only dinner. This is a regular thing for them.

My mom never ate breakfast except occasionally on the weekend. Then she'd have a small, child-size hot lunch at her school (she was a grade school teacher) and then dinner. That was it. I never saw her snack after work, and while she did occasionally have a snack after dinner, it was something very small like a piece of bread or a couple teaspoons peanut butter with (fake) maple syrup in it. Drank black coffee all day.

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Yup, so me. IF I ate, it'd only be dinner.

I'm definitely at at least 3 meals a day and my only caffeine is tea, just need to practice snacking -- I had gotten SO good at it when pregnant.

And sorry everyone for accidentally taking over this thread! 😅

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No, I am liking how it's shaping up! Very informative. I like a lot of posts in as few threads as I can manage because it's less reading for everyone. :)

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Yup, so me. IF I ate, it'd only be dinner.

I'm definitely at at least 3 meals a day and my only caffeine is tea, just need to practice snacking -- I had gotten SO good at it when pregnant.

And sorry everyone for accidentally taking over this thread! [emoji28]

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It's so funny- my biggest meal is dinner. I would call my first meal barely anything at all, like 200-300 calories at most. My second meal, if I have one, is like 400 calories. My last meal is decent at around 700-800 calories. No snacking! I'm still breastfeeding so I'm aiming for 1500-1700 calories a day.

With my boys I always had 3 smallish meals and at least 2-3 snacks somewhere in the day. I never ate a whole lot in one sitting, I just kept my blood sugar stable. I loved my tea! Green and black teas were/are my favorite! I miss them [emoji20]!

You're doing great TP!!




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Wait a minute, Throwaway Panther---you had your baby!?! I didn't realize she was due in June! Congratulations! How is motherhood treating you?

Hmmm... ok so if the skipping breakfast thing is maybe not such a big deal, can I not feel guilty about adding creamer to my coffee in the morning? I'm not "officially" swaying quite yet but have started skipping/delaying breakfast. It's not so bad, but I do I find I really need my coffee still - both for the caffeine and to have something in my stomach. BUT I drink it with a good amount of creamer in it (I also add Stevia)... Right now I use Coffee Mate "Natural Bliss" which has nonfat milk, heavy cream and sugar but could switch to another kind (and can also switch sweetners if needed). I feel like having the creamer though is undoing my not eating breakfast. Thoughts?

Also Atomic - does your thinking that skipping breakfast is not a critical element in the sway also apply to the PCO-tendency swayers with possible IR issues, or is it more important for our type to skip breakfast?

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Hmmm... ok so if the skipping breakfast thing is maybe not such a big deal, can I not feel guilty about adding creamer to my coffee in the morning? I'm not "officially" swaying quite yet but have started skipping/delaying breakfast. It's not so bad, but I do I find I really need my coffee still - both for the caffeine and to have something in my stomach. BUT I drink it with a good amount of creamer in it (I also add Stevia)... Right now I use Coffee Mate "Natural Bliss" which has nonfat milk, heavy cream and sugar but could switch to another kind (and can also switch sweetners if needed). I feel like having the creamer though is undoing my not eating breakfast. Thoughts?

Also Atomic - does your thinking that skipping breakfast is not a critical element in the sway also apply to the PCO-tendency swayers with possible IR issues, or is it more important for our type to skip breakfast?

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I use coffee mate and a dash of full cream milk too. I couldn't survive until lunchtime without that. It's such a big change from what I used to do (big bowl of cereal or two piece of buttery toast) that I figure it has to help my sway in some way.

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Hmmm... ok so if the skipping breakfast thing is maybe not such a big deal, can I not feel guilty about adding creamer to my coffee in the morning?

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If I remember correctly Atomic got her daughter having coffee with cream and sugar every morning--I think she's mentioned that it made it easier to avoid having a real meal.

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A lot of the blue swayers do not eat breakfast or lunch, and then have only dinner. This is a regular thing for them.

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That's my mom in a nutshell. She would always eat breakfast OR lunch, never breakfast AND lunch.

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Wait a minute, Throwaway Panther---you had your baby!?! I didn't realize she was due in June! Congratulations! How is motherhood treating you?

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I did! June 11!! Thank you!

And it's the best thing that's ever happened to me :) In fact, I feel so in a groove with motherhood that I'm planning my blue sway even harder because I want all the babies ♡_♡


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It's so funny- my biggest meal is dinner. I would call my first meal barely anything at all, like 200-300 calories at most. My second meal, if I have one, is like 400 calories. My last meal is decent at around 700-800 calories. No snacking! I'm still breastfeeding so I'm aiming for 1500-1700 calories a day.

With my boys I always had 3 smallish meals and at least 2-3 snacks somewhere in the day. I never ate a whole lot in one sitting, I just kept my blood sugar stable. I loved my tea! Green and black teas were/are my favorite! I miss them [emoji20]!

You're doing great TP!!




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Thank you!! That really helps to hear 🤗

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Hmmm... ok so if the skipping breakfast thing is maybe not such a big deal, can I not feel guilty about adding creamer to my coffee in the morning? I'm not "officially" swaying quite yet but have started skipping/delaying breakfast. It's not so bad, but I do I find I really need my coffee still - both for the caffeine and to have something in my stomach. BUT I drink it with a good amount of creamer in it (I also add Stevia)... Right now I use Coffee Mate "Natural Bliss" which has nonfat milk, heavy cream and sugar but could switch to another kind (and can also switch sweetners if needed). I feel like having the creamer though is undoing my not eating breakfast. Thoughts?

Also Atomic - does your thinking that skipping breakfast is not a critical element in the sway also apply to the PCO-tendency swayers with possible IR issues, or is it more important for our type to skip breakfast?

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I used to drink it occasionally with creamer before my DD.

If this helps your decision: Intermittent Fasting, which I had been doing for years, says people can get away with 50 calories of whatever in their coffee without it being considered breaking the fast.

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Hmmm... ok so if the skipping breakfast thing is maybe not such a big deal, can I not feel guilty about adding creamer to my coffee in the morning? I'm not "officially" swaying quite yet but have started skipping/delaying breakfast. It's not so bad, but I do I find I really need my coffee still - both for the caffeine and to have something in my stomach. BUT I drink it with a good amount of creamer in it (I also add Stevia)... Right now I use Coffee Mate "Natural Bliss" which has nonfat milk, heavy cream and sugar but could switch to another kind (and can also switch sweetners if needed). I feel like having the creamer though is undoing my not eating breakfast. Thoughts?

Also Atomic - does your thinking that skipping breakfast is not a critical element in the sway also apply to the PCO-tendency swayers with possible IR issues, or is it more important for our type to skip breakfast?

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Adding cream or milk to coffee has ALWAYS been allowed.

Technically you should not have anything sweetened in the morning but this was a cheat that I personally was not willing to give up. I had real sugar plus milk or cream in my coffee and did still get a DD doing that. Now that is not an endorsement and I do think it's better to not have the sugar, just that I did.

Stevia is supposed to sway blue. I doubt it does (this is one of those "alkaline" ideas that has no scientific support) but jsut letting you know that.

I honestly do not have the info I would need to know for sure if skipping breakfast is more or less important for those with PCO-tendencies. Just honestly don't. I DO know that some data seems to indicate that going longer between meals may improve your insulin response, though, and I do recommend that all swayers with PCO-tendencies do at least try to push breakfast back a bit. But it doesn't have to be till 2 in the afternoon and it isn't supposed to be an exercise in torture, and above all else it is NOT some kind of magic bullet. That's all I'm trying to get across here.

Thanks Atomic and everyone for your responses - I think I'll probably keep some amount of cream (maybe switch to whole milk?) and sweetener (maybe just switch to Spenda or aspartame?) in my morning coffee - it makes it easier to not eat breakfast, and the coffee is good for pink swayers AND for giving me the energy I need to manage two boys!!!

Cream can be a very excellent thing to keep having on LE though. It's just a shot of fat, which a lot of people have a really tough time getting enough of, without any carbs in it really so if you were on the alt. diet and trying to eliminate unneccesary carbs you would really be having nothing that "counts" for blood sugar in the morning.