Not ovulating

Amy advice ladies gratefully received. I have been trying to conceive baby number four since June.

Had a progesterone draw last month and the result was borderline, but since my period started two days after the blood was taken the gp thought that maybe progesterone peak had passed. Anyway had another blood draw taken this month at cd 19, I usually ovulate at cd 14 or 15. Anyway results are back but news is not great gp no ovulation this month. Am gutted but did wonder, my body geared up to ovulate around cd 14 but I had no temp spike. I had a static smilie on the clear blue digital ovulation sticks on cd 18 and a temp spike cd 19. I thought that is when I ovulated. But I had the blood draw that morning ( of cd 19) if the blood draw happened before ovulation would that account for the result? Also ff only gave me crosshairstoday and said I was 3 dpo, indicating I ovulated on Monday, which does not make sense to me. Will try to add my chart. Thanks ladies x

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My chart if anyone can make sense, expecting af today or today, which at best will be a 7 day lp ! Thanks for any advice x

I'm not convinced you ever ovulated. With that short of an LP and lack of a decent temp rise to indicate ovulation happened, I'm inclined to think that this was an anovulatory cycle.

These can happen from time to time. I think it's good you are being evaluated.

FX and GL to you!!




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My Ovulation Chart

Thanks xxforhubby, given my result from the gp, that would make sense. It concurs with what you are thinking. Feeling so hopeless about all this, am weepy today, probably the hormones! So hard to think about continuing with the diet and exercise when I don't think I have any chance of conceiving. Gp has referred me but it may be many months before am seen. They said they would contact me six weeks before the appt and I have not heard anything yet so at least two months. Trying to be positive hopefully it will give me a few more failed months behind me and they may be more likely to act when I get an appointment. The longer this process goes on the more my strictness to the diet and exercise is slipping, so it all feels very pointless! :-( . Thanks for responding x

Xxforhubby isn't there a decent temp rise from cd 18 until cd 23? I know ff did not think so but I have had less rises before and it has said ovulation. I thought the rise and drop a few days before knocked ff off? X

There is small rises, but not one that is sustained for long. Plus, it never really got much higher than you pre-o temps.

Don't despair! This can happen and resolve! The body will work to resolve this. I would do 2-4 eggs a week, a serving of full fat dairy, and maybe consider a serving of fish a week. This can give your body the ingredients for good hormone production. I would stick to the upper limits for fat and protein right now.

FX so hard for you! This will happen for you- I just know it!!




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My Ovulation Chart

Thanks xxforhubby I really appreciate the input. I have already incorporated 4-6 eggs per week, full fat diary per day and one portion of meat per week. Started that in June when I was concerned about 8-9 day lp on atomic advice, in in August I increased calorie intake but really the situation is worse since I did this, so it has not made any difference! :'( x

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Thanks xxforhubby I really appreciate the input. I have already incorporated 4-6 eggs per week, full fat diary per day and one portion of meat per week. Started that in June when I was concerned about 8-9 day lp on atomic advice, in in August I increased calorie intake but really the situation is worse since I did this, so it has not made any difference! :'( x

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Well, you don't know that, it may have been that things would be even worse without having done that.

I don't want you to despair. I know it's a hard situation to be in but your body WILL be working to fix things. It's tempting to think of the body like a computer that we have to know the right "fix" but the human body works on its own. Just keep eating better, getting enough rest, cut back on the exercise, maybe even gain a lb. or two and things will normalize.

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Thanks xxforhubby I really appreciate the input. I have already incorporated 4-6 eggs per week, full fat diary per day and one portion of meat per week. Started that in June when I was concerned about 8-9 day lp on atomic advice, in in August I increased calorie intake but really the situation is worse since I did this, so it has not made any difference! :'( x

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Well, you don't know that, it may have been that things would be even worse without having done that.

I don't want you to despair. I know it's a hard situation to be in but your body WILL be working to fix things. It's tempting to think of the body like a computer that we have to know the right "fix" but the human body works on its own. Just keep eating better, getting enough rest, cut back on the exercise, maybe even gain a lb. or two and things will normalize.

Looking over everything I am not sure we can draw any conclusions just yet. I agree that both your blood tests were badly timed and your chart is quite inconclusive, I can go either way on O or no O.

I will tell you one of my very first clients had a (unbeknownst to everyone involved) blood draw the day of O, and it came back that she was menopausal and needed IVF to conceive at all. Super low estrogen, non-existent progesterone. The doctors scared the heck out of her. But she got a BFP that month!!! Their explanation was that blood tests on O Day are really misleading. So the day you do the test can absolutely matter and make it very difficult sometimes for the docs to really know waht is happening. If it is clear cut, they can tell, but if it isn't, and I believe it isn't in this case, they can't really tell you exactly what has transpired.

Thanks ladies, sorry if this is an obvious question. If you don't ovulation, I take you don't have an lp? How does your body know to start af? Does the body wait to a particular cycle day and then start? Trying to predict when af will arrive, thanks x

Thanks atomic that is really interesting about the lady having a blood draw on ovulation day. There seems to still much we don't know about conception, my friend was told her tubes were blocked and she would never conceive naturally, she conceived naturally while on the waiting list for Ivf! Time will tell, af still not here but as am not sure when or if I ovulated I really am at a loss to know when to expect it. I am very sore, last night I thought my womb was going to fall out of my body, x

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Thanks ladies, sorry if this is an obvious question. If you don't ovulation, I take you don't have an lp? How does your body know to start af? Does the body wait to a particular cycle day and then start? Trying to predict when af will arrive, thanks x

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It isn't AF really when you bleed after a non-ovulatory cycle, it's a drop in estrogen that triggers the lining to come off. It's not on a certain day, it just happens quite at random whenever your E levels drop. That's how some people go 3 months between periods or more - they don't ovulate so have no LP and AF does not come until estrogen drops and the lining cannot be sustained any more. there is literally no way to predict. You very well may still ovulate and then get your actual AF so I really urge you to keep going with attempts every 4 days.

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Thanks atomic that is really interesting about the lady having a blood draw on ovulation day. There seems to still much we don't know about conception, my friend was told her tubes were blocked and she would never conceive naturally, she conceived naturally while on the waiting list for Ivf! Time will tell, af still not here but as am not sure when or if I ovulated I really am at a loss to know when to expect it. I am very sore, last night I thought my womb was going to fall out of my body, x

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Doctors know barely anything, they just have the tests and machines. :) I'm not being harsh, it is just that this is largely unexplored territory held back for too long by embarrasment and misinformation.

I really urge you to continue with attempts. I think it's entirely possible O is just delayed and you most likely would still ovulate, just later.

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My chart if anyone can make sense, expecting af today or today, which at best will be a 7 day lp ! Thanks for any advice x

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OK dumb question that I apparently missed first time through, but why exactly were you expecting AF?? I guess I must've read this as you GOT AF, but according to what you just posted, you clearly haven't. So this would mean you are not having a 7 day LP and I need clarification on what is happening with you because I think you are confused about something regarding when AF arrives and what a LP is. Your AF is NOT set in stone, it is 12-14 days tacked onto the end of whenever you ovulated so if you ovulate late, your AF typically will also come late. If you are in a panic expecting AF to come on the 1st of the mnth or something because it always does, and so are assuming that your LP will be only 7 days because of this, that's not how it works!!

Thanks atomic, I had stopped attempting, just don't feel in the form for it, waiting for bleeding to start, it is taking forever but am convinced it will start during the night, tonight. My temps are in my boots. I have fallen of the diet and exercise the past two days, just needed a blow out! I think am on the verge of giving up, but am reluctant to make a decision when am so darn hormonal as I think it is driving/ impacting on my judgement! Really appreciate your input x

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Thanks atomic, I had stopped attempting, just don't feel in the form for it, waiting for bleeding to start, it is taking forever but am convinced it will start during the night, tonight. My temps are in my boots. I have fallen of the diet and exercise the past two days, just needed a blow out! I think am on the verge of giving up, but am reluctant to make a decision when am so darn hormonal as I think it is driving/ impacting on my judgement! Really appreciate your input x

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Can you please clarify that you did not actually have a short LP of 7 days???

Please do not give up. It is not this all or nothing thing and there are many things we can do to ease off of yourself without giving up.

Sorry am a rubbish communicator in this medium. Af has not arrived, I thought it had arrived a few days ago when I woke up in the middle of the night lather and cramping but no show. Feel it will come tonight. If my af had arrived on Thursday it would have been an lp of 6 days from when I think I ovulated, Friday would have been an lp of 7 days, I the post I meant if it stays away until Friday, that would be a 7 day lp. I am currently dpo 9 according to when I, not ff think I ovulated. Given my temps are a bit all over the show and there is a query about whether I actually o' ed or not, I was wondering when to expect af? Hope that makes sense x

If you did ovulate and you are 9 DPO that's much better than the previous two months girlie and quite frankly your cramping could be implantation. Not getting your hopes up but by all means if you make it especially to 14 days that's twice as long as last month and I would be testing for a baby! Hang in there a bit longer I know you are real down in the dumps over this but I had pretty strong cramps I thought was period related the cycle of this BFP... Unless you bleed those cramps could mean anything. I know temping works for some or most women, never worked for me...who knows if the temps are off due to stress etc

Thanks bukoram I was thinking that myself, it's after 12 in the uk so technically am 9 dpo, which is better than 7! Af not started but am very sore, I have had this since Thursday, I have had similar cramping before and then AF arrived. Last Dec we had too much wine and bd on ovulation day. I was convinced I was pregnant and interrupted the cramps as implantation etc, then AF arrived, I was so sure. I don't think it went on this long, we shall see. Thanks for responding, I really appreciate the support, feel like giving up but know am very hormonal and that is not the right time to make big decisions, been off diet and exercise two days, needed a blow out but feeling more like getting on with that tomorrow, hopefully I will get back on the horse tomorrow. Thanks again x

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Sorry am a rubbish communicator in this medium. Af has not arrived, I thought it had arrived a few days ago when I woke up in the middle of the night lather and cramping but no show. Feel it will come tonight. If my af had arrived on Thursday it would have been an lp of 6 days from when I think I ovulated, Friday would have been an lp of 7 days, I the post I meant if it stays away until Friday, that would be a 7 day lp. I am currently dpo 9 according to when I, not ff think I ovulated. Given my temps are a bit all over the show and there is a query about whether I actually o' ed or not, I was wondering when to expect af? Hope that makes sense x

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No one can tell you when your AF will come. It will come sometime between 7-14 days after you ovulated, rarely as long as 16 but that's not that common.

Thinking back, does this have any impact on when the testing was done?? If it WAS O Day or even before it which I think entirely possible, then them telling you that you hadn't ovulated can't be accurate because your hormones would have been different than if they had been taken post O.

Also I do want to mention that I had horrific cramps I thought were O related in one cycle I got pregnant.

Thanks atomic, still no af and I made it to 10 dpo well when I think I ovulated. Given that and that af has not arrived yet, then I definitely ovulated after the blood draw so am disregarding that test result. I keep thinking af is on the way, I am spending far too much time tripping to the tiolet to check. I am very bloated this afternoon, which is always a sign of af, so we will see! Trying to not feel down heartened about impending af and look at the positives are thar my lp is longer, looking much better, thanks again for all your help, much appreciated x

Just wanted to update, I got my bfp, I am beyond delighted. Going by lmp am 6 weeks tomorrow, hoping for a sticky, healthy bean and a pink one would be amazing! X

Hi Girlieplease - I was reading the thread and wanted to tell you how much Vitex helped me ovulate when I had annovulatory cycles and just saw your bfp announcement!
I am very happy for you!
Health and happiness!

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Just wanted to update, I got my bfp, I am beyond delighted. Going by lmp am 6 weeks tomorrow, hoping for a sticky, healthy bean and a pink one would be amazing! X

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Oh wow thanks for updating!!! Just goes ta show ya the blood tests can be wrong. :)

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Hi Girlieplease - I was reading the thread and wanted to tell you how much Vitex helped me ovulate when I had annovulatory cycles and just saw your bfp announcement!
I am very happy for you!
Health and happiness!

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Just wanted to issue a clarification that while vitex can indeed help some people with anov cycles it is not right for many people (especailly those whose cycles have become weird from swaying or too strict a diet) and thus not something that everyone should just add in if their cycles become wackadoo. Check with me first!