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I’m starting another round of clomid (4th) and need to know what to do...e4d with extra attempt at +opk didn’t work (my 3rd round this time).
I got a positive opk at 6am cd 12 and we did it that night and the next. Attempts were cd (7, 9, 12, 13, 16)
Do I go to every other day this time? Please help with what I should do. I’m so upset that this time didn’t work [emoji20]
Thank you, J
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DO NOT go to every other day. Not only does that possibly sway blue, but it's not even good chances of conception because it's really very easy to end up with only one good attempt in the fertile window (worse odds than e4d plus one) You can easily end up with attempts on O-5, O-3, O-1 and only the O-1 is really going to be viable. Or O-6, O-4, O-2, and O Day and often the O Day shot will be too late to capacitate and make it to the egg, and the O-2 is just going to be one attempt. YOu will ALWAYS have 2 attempts with e4d plus one.
Just because you didn't get pregnant this month doesn't mean that e4d plus one "didn't work" or won't ever work for conception. Some months just are not the month, egg was a dud, sperm didn't make it to the egg, something went wrong very early on in fertilization, etc.
You need to keep going with e4d beyond CD 16 in case of delayed ovulation.
I would have you give e4d plus one another month. We could add in something like Preseed or guaifenesin or female O to boost odds of conception. ARe you doing anything like shallow release or j and d???
OR, if you are ready to do this, we can go to SMEP (sperm meets egg plan) which is here: Sperm Meets Egg Plan
Thank you so much! I’ve been kinda obsessive with the opks this cycle...doing 3 different brands and testing 3-4x a day with clear blue advanced. Well, yesterday (cd13) I got what looked to be maybe positive on wondfo opk (lines pretty much same color) and the 4th flashing high on clear blue. So we did not have sex on cd 13 (we did have sex cd 12) because I waS pretty sure I’d get a peak on CB in the morning cd 14-but today I got another flashing high and the wondfo line was lighter. So I’m assuming I’m ovulating today? Even though I never got a peak on CB despite checking 3 times a day. Anyway, we did another attempt this early this morning (cd14) but I think it was a very shallow release unintentionally :(Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Should we Have sex again Friday? I’m out of clear blue opks and they internet cheapies just don’t seem to work for me ( I never seem to get a true postive). Or do I just do E4d from here. This may be my last round of clomid so I really want to get pregnant. Is SMEP on clomid more girl friendly than one attempt or E4d without clomid?
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Sorry, this is so wordy! To sum it up we dtd CD 7, 10, 12,14 (I got a pretty close positive wondfo on CD13 but only “high [emoji3]”on CB)Quote:
Originally Posted by jenn1112
The attempt on CD 14 I’m not even sure was great—hubby felt pressured so it was a BJ and then just put it in and released [emoji51] does that count? I’m sure it was maybe more of a shallow release so not sure how much got in there? (So sorry TMI)
Thanks again for all your help! This all is so stressful and I really appreciate you helping
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No, you can't assume anything. I would keep having sex every 4 days at the least and I'd probably keep testing just in case so you can do another attempt at pos OPK again when it comes.
yes that attempt still counts but I'd keep doing OPK so you can have another attempt even if it's tomorrow. We just can't leave anything up to halfway attempt this month. And then no matter what please keep doing e4d even if you're absolutely sure you've ovulated!
Okay thank you! I’ll go buy more clear blue opks tomorrow and keep testing. I’m even wondering if I should try to do another attempt tonight?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
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Sure, have another attempt! Clomid is the best of the best tactic there is!
I’ll keep having sex but I think I ovulated yesterday (cd14)based on cramping and my Internet cheap opks were lighter yesterday and today. That must have been my positive on cd13 even though the line was only the same color as the control line. What are my chances of 0-2 and O day?Quote:
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good chance of conception and we get very good results for pink with Clomid + 2 attempts. :)
Awesome! Thank you!Quote:
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Hi Atomic, I’m only 5-6 days past ovulation but I’m already thinking I’m not pregnant :(Quote:
Originally Posted by jenn1112
This was my 7th round so far of clomid (4th for after miscarriage). It ended up being every other day 10-16 and positive opk on day 13 (did not have sex that night)—I wanted to but hubby could not.
I’m now so scared thinking it’s from taking the clomid? Is my body damaged from the miscarriage or too thin of lining from so long on clomid? I’m going for my day 21 blood draw Wednesday and I’m wondering if I should do an 8th round of clomid?
I feel like with every other day I should have gotten pregnant, right?
I’ve gotten pregnant the first time we tried with all 3 boys, now I’m terrified that I’m never going to get pregnant again [emoji22]
If you think I should do clomid, what’s the best way to get pregnant? SMEP starting on day 10? My husband can’t have sex too much in a row so I’m worried he’ll get burned out and can’t perform when it’s +OPK again
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You can't damage your body in the long term from taking Clomid. While Clomid can lower odds of conception by affecting the lining and your EWCM, all you have to do is stop taking the Clomid and it fixes itself.
NO, every other day does not automatically get you pregnant. In fact I don't even like it for getting people pregnant because it's often enough so DH can sometimes have performance trouble and at the same time it's entirely possible to end up with attempts on O-4 (too early), O-2, and O Day (often too late). This is one attempt! Plus, it takes fully fertile people doing nothing to sway, an average of 3-6 months to fall pregnant. If in the past you have gotten pregnant more quickly, that was just good fortune and not a guarantee that you will always do that and it doesn't mean something is wrong when it doesn't happen. Some months just aren't THE month, and while everyone assumes it was something they did or didn't do, the fact is, it's just sometimes not the month and something was wrong with the sperm or the egg or the way they combine or they just didn't happen to find each other in time.
So, given all that I think your best bet is NOT SMEP since hubby will not be able to manage it, but good old e4d plus one at pos OPK. It's good chances of conception because you're always in with 2 attempts in fertile window and pos OPK is usually a good shot of conception, it's easier for hubbies to manage since most of the attempts are further apart, so he wont exhaust himself doing EOD during times in the cycle when it doesn't even count, and will hopefully be able to get in with 2 attempts when it does count. And because you start this before you think you can conceive and keep going after ovulation you are also covered in case of early or late ovulation.
It is totally fine to take a month off Clomid now. We have a lot of people who take a month off and get pregnant in that month off (with girls!) It may just be that you need a break and this will help you conceive. I also want you eating a serving of full fat dairy every day, 4-6 eggs a week, and a serving of salmon if you like it and red meat if you don't, every week. We need to be sure you have enough raw materials to make estrogen.
Thank you so much! I think my problem in the past with E4d plus +opk was that my opks never go fully positive and clear blue only did flashing highs. That’s why I ended up with every other day, I kept thinking it was maybe positive (then when it was actually pretty close to positive, hubby couldn’t preform :/ so we did it the next morning)Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Any opks you recommend on clomid?
I may get her to prescribe one more cycle of clomid, if she will, and maybe either take a break or use it one more cycle then go without. Do I start E4d the last pill of clomid day 7 or last day of period?
Should I give up fiber with my 2 meals? Or go to one a day?
Get my hubby to take OLE again?
I’ll add in Greek yogurt and eggs this time (our eggs are organic with added omegas....is that okay?)
Oh and should I add pressed, or the expectorant if I do clomid again? I’ve had little to no CM
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All right, in that case then please just make your best guess and in the week where you think "THIS IS IT!" have another attempt sometime between the e4d attempts. Don't bother with the OPK if they're not working for you, but if you're seeing signs and symptoms of O being close, keep going with e4d and then have one more attempt during the two e4d attempts. And then if it happens the next e4d period that you are still not sure if you're going to ovulate, then have another attempt again. There is no magic to the pattern so please don't get hung up on it, the entire point is that you are in with two attempts instead of just one in the fertile window and are leaving it somewhat up to luck so don't get too hung up on a particualr set of days or pattern.
When using Clomid start e4d the last day of Clomid (or day after) but if not on Clomid start the last day of period
Yes ditch fiber
Hubby can take OLE if you want him to.
:agree: yes eat yogurt and eggs! No worries about the omegas.
I would pick either Preseed OR guaifenesin, not both. Follow your gut instinct...if you feel like you are dry up inside too, then do guaifenesin. If you think this is more an issue of sperm not making it up to cervix, Preseed may be better.
Great info, thank you so much. I just got back from OB and she said she’d prescribe me one last round of clomid and then I need to just take a break from it. I asked her about increasing the dosage from 50 to 100 mg and she said I could try that if I wanted. She said she doesn’t normally increase if already ovulating on the lower dose, which I am. Do you think I should try the 100? Or maybe cut it in half for 50? My thought was that maybe 100 would make me ovulate a better egg or release 2 eggs and I’d have a better chance at fertilizing at least 1. My OB thinks it’s stress that’s keeping me from getting pregnant.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Edit:: my doctor just called in 100 mg for me but now I’m worried thinking that much might overstimulate or cause twins? Just wondering if I should stick with 50 mg and cut in half even though that hasn’t worked.
I just read online that taking clomid for too long works like a birth control instead of helping (this will be my 5th this time—-is that too much?) do you know of anyone with success on their 5th round?
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You are def. more likely to conceive twins (or more) on 100. It's up to you what you want to do with that. Yes, it's generally frowned upon to up dose for women ovulating on 50 - some docs will do it and say they think it improves odds of conception, others will not and say it cuts odds of conception (by affecting lining and cervical mucus even more negatively). It's one of those things where I'd need a crystal ball to know for sure.
Yes, I know of many people who had success on 5th or even 6th month of Clomid. It's after the 6th month people generally take a break (although of late docs have been doing this after the 3rd or 4th month instead).
I am thinking for you to definitely use guaifenesin this month just to ensure you have some EWCM - thoughts?
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Okay thank you. I think I’m just going to take 50 mg this month and I’ll also take guaifenesin—-how much and when do I take it? Before each attempt?
Is clomid + guaifenesin more girl friendly than going without clomid and no guaifenesin? I know you can’t tell me for sure but I was just wondering your opinion.
I’m so worried that the clomid is affecting my lining...is there anything to boost the lining? Should I ask for an ultrasound to see how thick it is?
Thanks again for all your help! So sorry for all the questions [emoji4]
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Start guaifenesin the day of your last Clomid dose and take up to 1200 mg (by this I mean you do not HAVE to take the full 1200, you can try less)daily through 3 days past ovulation.
Yeah sorry I honestly do not know what is more pink friendly - no Clomid or Clomid + guaifenesin. Just don't have that data.
The stuff you can do to "boost lining" usually does nothing or else sways blue (and you'd have to get it from a doctor anyway). I wouldn't bother with an ultrasound since by the point they can see the lining, it is too late to do anything about it anyway.
Be sure you're eating enough fat - full fat dairy every day, 4-6 eggs a week, 1 serv. salmon if you like it, red meat if you don;t.
Thank you. I’m so nervous about take the guaifenesin...do you have women who’ve had girls on clomid +guaifenesin? I know I just need to get pregnant though so that’s what matters. I’m just contemplating guaifenesin vs preseed.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I’ve added in the eggs already and cut fiber.
My OB just emailed and said my progesterone is 25 which is good! But I’ve had 27 before and not been pregnant so I know that’s not a good predictor of pregnancy
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Yes, of course, or I wouldn't recommend it. :)
I think guaifenesin is better at boosting odds of conception since it ups the level of fluids in your entire reproductive tract. It does no good to conceive and then be so dry up inside the tubes that the sperm can't find the egg or the bean can't make it to the uterus
That prog level is good and we know you have ovulated! FX for BFP this month!
Awesome! Thanks again for all your help!! Seriously don’t know what I’d do without all your support! ❤️Quote:
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It was day 28 and I knew I was going to start and Started light spotting yesterday late afternoon. Do I count last nights light spotting as CD 1 or do I count it as today since I woke up to a full flow?Quote:
Originally Posted by jenn1112
Since I’m doing clomid 3-7 I’m curious when to take...tomorrow or the next day?
I feel like I usually always count any bleeding as cd1 but I googled it and got mixed opinions.
I also got Robitussin extended release 1200 mg capsules so I’ll start taking those on my last clomid pill but I also got preseed. Do you think I should use that too? Or just if I need (which I probably won’t with the robitussin).
Thanks! Jen
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My rule of thumb is, if you think it's AF, then it is.
It all depends on if it's spotting in the luteal phase or if it's just a light start to the flow and what is usual for you. If you know you're only on 10 DPO and have 3 days of spotting before a red flow starts, then that's obviously LP spotting. But what you're describing sounds to me like the start of your actual period and it's just starting off lighter, which many people's does. If that light spotting had been in the morning and then you'd started bleeding later in the day, you'd see it more clearly that was really just AF coming and so I'd personally consider that spotting to be CD 1 unless your LP was also significantly shorter than normal this month.
The good news is, it's entirely irrelevant. Whether you count it as yesterday or today it matters not a bit for starting the Clomid. You can start Clomid on CD 2 or CD 4 and it works just as well as CD 3 does. The main concern with CD 1 is for those people who really are having short LP and many days of spotting prior to getting their real flow. Not this situation.
I think it's wiser to use ONLY guaifenesin OR preseed, not both, when swaying pink.
Thanks! I usually never spot before hand, I just have a light day one, heavy day 2 and medium/light day 4-5. Yesterday’s bleeding just started a lighter than normal and I noticed a tiny bit of light blood when wiping around 2 pm. I think it was my day 1 but just lighter than normal. My OB said to count today as day 1 if I was spotting yesterday but I think she got confused by me saying spotting, as it’s not normal for me to spot before a period.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
I think I’ll count today as day 2 since you said it doesn’t matter. I have around a 14 day Lp and cycle at 28 days.
Is it bad that my flow was lighter than normal this cd 1? Could that mean my lining is thinner? My flow today is heavy, I’ve already gone through 2 super tampons.
Thanks, I’ll just do guaifenesin this month!!
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Everyone asks me this all the time and NO it does not mean your lining is thinner (and even if it was, that does not mean it's too thin to conceive with, which is quite unusual). It's normal for your period to be somewhat different on Clomid and also with swaying.
That’s good to know since my period is so so light this month. Day 2 was my only normal flow day and I’m on day 3 and it is just as light as the first day, barely anything. You think this is just from the LE diet and not the clomid? I know you said that it doesn’t mean my lining is thin but it’s worrying me that I’m barely bleeding this month.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
What can this mean? I googled it and it freaked me out
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I got my daughter in a month following an even lighter period than you're having (and I was NOT on Clomid). People report this to me all the time, worried over it but it has not inhibited their ability to get pregnant. Not only is your flow more than many people have had the month before BFP (myself included so I know this is legit!) but your flow this month tells you nothing about what will happen NEXT month anyway! The lining you are shedding now is last month's and is irrelevant to what is happening next month!
Awesome thank you! This definitely takes away the anxiety and I’ll stay off google! [emoji6]Quote:
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Is this really true? I’m a bit worried about number of attempts on clomid because me and DH are very fertile, I’m 28 years old DH 43. I’m taking clomid 25 mg. With DS1 we i think we did also two attempts. Getting pg quickly is also very important because i wanna conceive before the ramadan. Shall i try one attempt first or two?
Jenn has been trying to conceive for a very long time. Thus my advice I give to her is for HER ONLY and should not be extrapolated to everyone else, certainly not anyone in their first month of trying when they are 28 years old. Most people who go to 2 attempts have been trying for a very long time and have been on diet a long time, and Clomid for at least 2 months.Quote:
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I strongly urge anyone in their first month or even two of Clomid to stick with one attempt.
Hi Atomic! I feel like we had way more than 2 attempts this month and now I’m freaking out a bit [emoji51]. It’s taken so long and this was my last round of clomid, and we had so much on the schedule around my day 14 that we did it a lot early on and then my opks messed up again and I wasn’t sure of ovulation (my clear blue never gives a peak so I just thought it wouldn’t and of course it finally did yesterday). Anyway this is probably hard to follow but I’m wondering if I just did a boy sway with my attempts, adding 1200 mg guaifenesin daily, big O, adding in eggs this month, and less alcohol (maybe 2-3 per week). Ugh I feel bummed just seeing it written down.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
Sex on CD8, 9, CD11(AM), 12, CD 13 (got a peak in after lunch) sex was late 12:30AM so technically CD 14.
I got scared and added the attempt last night (CD13 almost CD14) because attempt on day 11 was earlier.
So that would be O-1, O-2, and O-3.
If I do get pregnant is this a high chance of boy? Regretting doing it so much but my husband has been unpredictable with attempts and being able to preform under pressure so I just went with it :/
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I just took another wondfo Opk at 8:30 AM (cd14) and it’s positive again today and I have a lot of EWCM right now so maybe I won’t ovulate till late tonight so hopefully the cd11 attempt won’t count and it will just be 2 attempts? Cd12 and 13?Quote:
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The guaifenesin worked almost too well...it was the most cm I think I’ve ever had from right after my period and still today day 14. So I didn’t take today
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I would have absolutely advised you to have more attempts since it's your last month on Clomid. What you did was fine.
I can't tell you how many attempts you had since we don't really know when you'll ovulate and if anything was left (or if that could still sway blue even if nothing was left over) We just don't have any way to know these things. What I can tell you is that you did the right thing having more attempts. Clomid is the best of the best tactic there is and I would have had you do exactly what you did.
Thank you so much! You always make me feel better ❤️ positive my hubby couldn’t go again tonight but should I try for Thursday too then?Quote:
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Sure absolutely! In fact please pick it up with every 4 days and continue this till you are 100% sure you've ovulated.
Hi Atomic, I’m only 3 days past ovulation but I’m already thinking I’m not pregnant again :(Quote:
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My CM is very thick and sticky and cervix is hard and I know cm is supposed to be more watery and cervix soft if conceived right? My husband couldn’t make an attempt my day of ovulation and the attempt at +opk wasn’t great...I had to oral again [emoji51] to get him going and I’m thinking it killed all the Sperm. Ugh this is killing me not getting pregnant [emoji22] don’t know what is going on with my body.
I made an appt for this next week with a fertility RE doctor. Is there anything I should ask him specifically about. I know my hubby won’t want to pay for ivf but do you think injectable fertility meds with maybe a shot to ovulate would help? Does that still sway girl like clomid?
I do have one more 50 mg thing of clomid (since I didn’t take the 100 mg) but I was thinking of just taking a month off the clomid. Could it be keeping me from getting pregnant? My dr didn’t want to to take the clomid again but I do have one more round of it at the house but I was going to wait in case the fertility dr wanted me to do something different.
E4d even seems stressful for my hubby...early attempts are great but then it’s like too much stresss or something and can’t preform right when I feel it counts. Maybe if next month (should start on May9th) I could just do +opk and day after? Then he’ll be wanting it since I made him hold out.
Thanks for the help! J
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There will be no symptoms 3 days past ovulation. It is absolutely normal to have no CM and hard cervix at this part of the cycle and it is too early for pregnancy to be causing any change. The baby is floating free and not even attached to you at this point and so your body would not even know it's pregnant.
PLEASE leave your cervix alone now and forever because there is no information to be gleaned from it and you run the risk of introducing pathogens that can cause uterine infections.
Take a month off Clomid. Yes, over time it can make it harder to get pregnant and so you need a break anyway, plus,you'd need to be off of it for the visit with the RE. We don't know if injectibles also sway (and they won't, either, and will likely argue with you over the whole thing so don't even bother to ask)
Can you not just hold off the first couple attempts? The problem with what you're suggesting is that you're right back in the problem zone again of possibly having attempts too soon or too late and having everything riding on having attempt on the perfect day. If you were able to have sex 3-4 days before you think it will count, then pos OPK 2x, and then again in another 3-4 days then at least you'll be somewhat protected against early or late ovulation.
No, doing a little oral did not prevent conception.
Thank you this is all good to know. Yes, we can do that...so do you mean, E4d starting at day 10, 13, and then also at positive opk? My positive has been on day 13 the last few times so then do the next day also (day14?)Quote:
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Yes exactly that! That would be perfect if DH can stick to that.
Yes, we can do that! Thank you! We’ve been starting on day 5 and it’s just ended up being stressful by the end with our busy schedule! [emoji846]Quote:
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