Some queries on pink sway

Hi Atomic,

I have a few queries for my sway and listed them below.
1. At the moment I aim to go for an hour walk a day but last week I managed 6 days a week and this week it will be 5 days a week, as I missed 2 days. I’m still more than 8 weeks until TTC and when I am 6 weeks away I want to go for a walk everyday and not miss a day. Is this OK? I thought since I have IR tendencies even 5 days a week helps at the moment though the more the better.

2. I am not loosing weight everyday, sometimes especially on a day I ate a few more calories, my weight increased a little. The overall picture though is that I am loosing weight slowly. Is that good for a sway or is it better to loose weight everyday?

3. The last two weeks I’m not having as many vegetables/salads, as I started work and find it hard to prepare everything and I end up eating more refined carbs, I.e. whole meal bread sandwiches for lunch/ dinner and things like crumpets with honey for breakfast. I do have a lot of fruits though and my protein/fat intake is always within PCOS diet limits. Is this good for swaying regardless or would you say vegetables are better? I do feel more bloated/ full you may say (funny enough) if I don’t have a salad and I was wondering if salads are actually better to have from a pink sway perspective considering my IR tendencies too.

4. What is the advise on sodium? Should we track it? What is the recommended limit for a pink sway?

5. Are soft cheeses like the laughing cow OK for pink or are soft cheeses not the best? Eating a lot of those at the moment as long as I’m still within the limits of the diet.

6. For people with IR tendencies and doing the PCOS style diet, is white wine OK to have? Like a glass a day. I’m not used to alcohol and thought even that may help in my case.

7. Noticed that I feel better if I eat gluten free bread, gluten free biscuits etc. They are expensive though. In general and in theory will my sway be better if I went gluten free even if the bread was a white one?

8. I’m not having any fiber supplements as my body fat bmi is not big either and I do take vitamin d twice a week due to my deficiency. Shall I aim to increase my fiber considering in the food I choose to have?

9. I have nickel allergy (sometimes with a more evident reaction than other times) and that never stopped me from wearing some nickel earrings I have. I noticed though after not wearing them for a year that I had a reaction to them when I started wearing them since last week. How does this affect a sway? Or do we not know? Shall I not wear them while swaying to be on the safe side?

Thank you for any advice you may have xx

1)we've had good results with 4 days or more a week. You don't need to walk every day, if you're putting that much pressure on yourself that you're worried about missing a day here or there, you need to stop because that's the kind of "control freakishness" that may sway blue anyway. You're doing great on exercise, keep doing what you're doing.

2)It is actually impossible to lose weight every day. Again, this is overly control freaky so please don't worry about small fluctuations in weight.

3)I think salads would be better provided that weight is not flying off. Any place you can cut some carbs out is good with IR tendencies as long as you are not losing tons of weight that way.

4)while I keep the sodium in the mix for those who want to do it, most of us have completely given up on it. The "science" that supposedly supports sodium swaying blue is utter nonsense and if anything science indicates high sodium may even sway pink, not blue. I got my daughter eating tons of sodium after getting my 4th boy limiting it. It also makes it much easier to stick to the diet if you give up on it.

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5)Soft cheeses are fine

6)Yes, wine is fine to have as long as you're following the diet overall. While some sources tell PCOS/IR people to avoid wine, that is because most people never change their diets so are eating terribly all day long and then having wine TOO. Since you have changed your diet, you can have the wine and it may help your sway.

7)The issue with gluten free breads is that they are unbelievably carby. I think it's fine and possibly beneficial to go gluten free for pink, but for those with PCOS/insulin resistance, you have to go gluten free without doing gluten free breads and stuff because they are too carby. It's fine to have potatoes and white rice, for example, but I would probably shy away from the gluten free breads.

8)On the alternate diet you will very likely be getting plenty of fiber anyway and I'd not worry about trying to get more.

9)I have no idea if that would affect a sway, but I have noticed that those of us who have many boys often have allergies and other autoimmune disorders and so I would definitely avoid them just in case there is anything to the idea.

Thank you so much Atomic, always very helpful ��
I will stop wearing my earrings for now �� and I will add at least one salad a day and change my carbs to rice and a potato a day for now. That will decrease my bread intake and I will not buy glutten free bread from now on ��

In terms of the protein some days I eat an egg, others 40-60gr of salmon or chicken at one of my meals. I was wondering if this is definitely OK as I was following the LE diet before with protein at 40g and now I have protein at 50-60 gr with the PCOS diet and I was a bit apprehensive about it... I’m also using fitness pal as easiest for me to track it this way and I guess my concern is whether the fitness pal is not exact and I may be going over it without knowing it. I know I’m on the wrong side here and need to be carefree about it ;-) I think I may be best to aim at 50gr protein and fat maybe and not worry if I’m a little lower in them just in case the fitness pal calculations are a little off...

Good to know not to worry on the sodium ��

YES the amount of protein on the LE PCOS diet is meant to be 50-60 grams. That is what I want you to eat.

Please don't start worrying about tiny variations in protein on MFP. There is no magic to the numbers, it is perfectly fine if you're getting 63 g of protein or 57 g of protein. I had to make up numbers for you guys to aim at but the only thing that matters is that you're eating less than you were recently and less than when you got your boys.

DO NOT AIM AT 50 G PROTEIN. Please just lighten up on it and try for 50-60 g. That is fine, that is what I have everyone on that alternate diet do, and the results are actually better than the standard LE. You shouldn't worry about these little trivial details like the diff. between 50 and 60 g!

Thank you Atomic, I will leave it as I am already doing for protein in that case and cross my fingers Pink dusk will come my way ����

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Hi Atomic,

So I have not really added more salads in my sway, but I just went with the flow with what I wanted to eat still keeping within the protein and fat limits for PCOS. Is that OK? Weight has dropped despite that...
At the moment I am hooked though on a chocolate mousse that supermarket sells here in the U.K. and I wanted to check if this is OK for PCOS style and a pink sway? Will aim to send photo of ingredients in next message
Also in general I don’t really hold back on sweets, so I do eat with every meal one or two chocolate mousses, is that OK from a sway perspective as long as overall protein and fat intake is within the limits.

Thank you

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Sugar is not meant to be eaten on the PCOS LE Diet for most people. Only people who have lost all the weight they can spare and still have weight flying off can add in small amounts of empty carbs. it's up to you, of course, especially if you're on the PCOS LE Diet for preventative reasons, but that is a LOT of sugar and I suspect you would be better off having fruit for some of that.

Oh thank you Atomic, I just feel I can’t control my sugar intake when I’m restricting the protein and fat...
At the moment I’m really thin but I can still spare to lose 2 more kilos, that is how much I weighed when I swayed with DD2.

I could aim to have 1 mousse a day only initially and then cut it out altogether and replace with fruits to see how it goes. How about carbs? Can I have more of those instead maybe? I do love crumpets and have been having them for breakfast, are those better than this devil pleasure of choco mousse?

In general I’m very good at keeping up with diet plans and restricting specific foods but I find it hard with the fat and protein limit to come up with ideas of what to eat and feel content.

Thank you for any input ��

Dreamsplanner, I bet the occasional mousse is not a big problem (I'm hooked on one too and have it once or twice a week as my "cheat"!). But having one or two or more a day could really add up. I wonder if it might be useful, when you do have the mousse, to make sure you are also eating other protein foods and fiber from veg/fruit before you eat the mousse- to help your blood sugar not spike as much? If I'm wrong here I hope someone will clarify? Limiting or eliminating refined sugar/flour is an important part of the diet, but there may be things you can do to soften the impact of sugar when you do consume it.

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Dreamsplanner, I bet the occasional mousse is not a big problem (I'm hooked on one too and have it once or twice a week as my "cheat"!). But having one or two or more a day could really add up. I wonder if it might be useful, when you do have the mousse, to make sure you are also eating other protein foods and fiber from veg/fruit before you eat the mousse- to help your blood sugar not spike as much? If I'm wrong here I hope someone will clarify? Limiting or eliminating refined sugar/flour is an important part of the diet, but there may be things you can do to soften the impact of sugar when you do consume it.

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Yes it wasn't so much that this was eaten on occasion but having 1-2 with every meal?? I can't sign off on that for PCOS Diet, that's all.

The deal with the PCOS LE Diet is that sugar and refined carbs raise your blood sugar and testosterone. That's the whole thing with PCOS, it's how it happens to people. Sugar is the thing to avoid with PCOS (I'd rather see you eat more protein and fat than simply replace them with sugar!! DO NOT EAT SUGAR WITH PCOS!) And even for those without full blown PCOS, if you're on it for egg qualtiy or because you have tendencies towards PCO-symptoms, eating 2 mousses a meal or even a day is not going to be ok. It's just not part of the PCOS LE Diet.

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Oh thank you Atomic, I just feel I can’t control my sugar intake when I’m restricting the protein and fat...
At the moment I’m really thin but I can still spare to lose 2 more kilos, that is how much I weighed when I swayed with DD2.

I could aim to have 1 mousse a day only initially and then cut it out altogether and replace with fruits to see how it goes. How about carbs? Can I have more of those instead maybe? I do love crumpets and have been having them for breakfast, are those better than this devil pleasure of choco mousse?

In general I’m very good at keeping up with diet plans and restricting specific foods but I find it hard with the fat and protein limit to come up with ideas of what to eat and feel content.

Thank you for any input ��

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1 mousse a day is a heck of a lot better than 2 with every meal!

NO, you can't just replace these with other white refined carbs. Sugar and carbs are not good for anyone with insulin resistance.

I would by far and away rather see you up fat and protein limits even up to 60-70 g than replace it with sugar. Sugar is THE WORST thing for PCOS tendencies and since we believe that the PCOS tendencies being aggravated may undermine your sway,you're shooting yourself in the foot if you think you're swaying by eating less fat and protein because you're eating more sugar!

Can you find artificially sweetened things that satisfy your craving without getting so much sugar?

Thank you Gafan and Atomic!
I don’t have diabetes or PCOS but I have IR tendencies, as I had gestational diabetes.

Will drop the mousse to once a day, I can definite do that!
And try and eat more fruits. I’m only concerned as my weight flies off when I do that and I can only afford to lose 2-3 kilos but it may be OK until TTC.

Atomic, shall I postpone TTC to another month maybe so rather than TTC end of May, aim to do it towards end of June? I’m only thinking that as I have been doing the mousse thing for 3 weeks and I want to allow myself to sway properly

Praying for pink dust to come again my way ����

Eat more fruit, vegetables, whole grains, even fat and protein if need be to compensate and stop the weight loss.

No. Don't postpone if you are concerned about excess weight loss. For all we know you won't even get pregnant that first month out. I don't like to see people waiting and waiting to start TTC hoping to iron out every wrinkle in the diet (and this is especially true since you don't have full blown PCOS anyway) because they end up wasting away to nothing.

Thank you Atomic! So today I had:
-First meal: 2 Crumpets with butter & cheese, 3 plums and 16grams of Lindt hazelnut milk chocolate
- Second meal: Lentil soup, 16gr of hazelnut Lindt milk chocolate, 1 apple and three plums
- Third meal: 2 Crumpets with butter, 1 apple and 1 chocolate mousse

I know this is not the healthiest meals ever, but is this OK?
Trying to eat and plan while sorting out my three bundles is not the easiest?

One other thing that makes me think also that maybe I should wait is my period which is now around new moon. With both DDs before I conceived around new moon and had period around full moon so I kind of feel I should try to align it or wait a little longer... DS was conceived close to full moon hence my concern on this...

Well, I can't imagine it is 50-60 g of protein, and is likely too much sugar/refined carbs.

I can't really advise you any more than I have. Sugar is bad, carbs are bad, for some people even too much fruit can be bad, and thus a diet that consists largely of crumpets and chocolate is in no way at all what I envision for the PCOS Diet. But, it's your sway, your way, and it is certainly a restrictive diet, but I cannot say "oh yes that's fine for PCOS-type LE" because it's not at all what I'd have a PCOSer be eating.

Thanks Atomic, use fitness pal and it has 54 grams of protein and 55gr of fat. The lentil soup was made with chorizo though I avoided eating the chorizo but it is part of the broth...
Think I’m so used to LE diet from before I’m trying to mix the two and it’s not working out �� Will revert to chicken salads for lunch and see what I can do by looking at other PCOS LE diet meals people posted here

Hi Atomic,

Sorry to even ask on this further, but I just wanted to check this is the right track for LE PCOS.

So today I had 69 grams Protein and 71 grams fat which freaked me out but I wanted to make sure I don’t lose too much weight and too quickly and I had the following:

First meal: an apple with a slice of cheese and full fat Greek yogurt with 20gr of walnuts

Second meal: salad with mayo dressing and 2 slices of cheese, an egg, 200gr of brown rice and 2 plums

Last meal: salad with 2 slices of cheese, 50gr fries, 1 crumple and 1 chocolate mousse

Is this OK? I lost half a kilo in the last two days by avoiding carbs so in the menu above I tried to include some carbs.

Thank you & sorry again for asking on this
Just wanted to ensure meals like the above are OK despite the white carb and sugar in last meal and I feel by avoiding carbs altogether my weight drops rapidly

Agh sorry I had replied to you, but it didn't go through for some reason, it's still here in autosave.

Did you count the protein and fat in the fruit?? If you did, don't, they are free for protein and fat.

Don't worry about a little chorizo, that won't amount to anything.

Don't worry about the protein and fat for right now, we can get this figured out over time and maybe reduce them by a little once we get the weight under control.

That level of carb intake is fine for anyone who does not have severe PCOS. :agree:

Do you like potatoes?? I would switch out one salad with a potato.

Many Thanks Atomic, in my first meal yes as I entered everything on Fitness pal but I made sure I omitted the fruits since changing diet this week

Will make sure I don’t calculate the fruit protein and fat from now on x
I do like potatoes so I will add one instead of a salad ��

Hi Atomic,

I am now eating more in accordance with the LE PCOS diet with protein and fat ranging between 60-70 grams

I have lost a kilo though in a short amount of time so I started adding a fourth meal where I eat a couple fruits and a tea with a teaspoon honey sometimes. Is that OK? As I do not eat choco or a dessert with every meal now, but only have one sweet after one meal, I thought this is OK to help slow down weight loss. Is that OK or any other recommendations?

Thank you for any inputxx

At some point since you are losing too much weight too quickly, yes, it's fine to add in carbs.

Please view my original replies to your question in the light of, you were asking me "is this compatible with the LE PCOS Diet" and what you were doing was NOT compatible because it was too much sugar. Some people with PCOS could also not eat the fruit and honey, either. But at the point in time when weight is flying off, you likely NEED to boost calories particularly of carbs to keep weight on. So at that point, I may advise you to do something that is not strictly in line with the LE PCOS Diet not because "yes this is ok for everyone with PCOS tendencies to do" because it isn't, but more because YOU personally need to stop losing weight. I hope this makes sense.

Thank you Atomic, yes it does �� Will stick to what I am doing and avoid the fourth meal if I am feeling good in myself and not in too much weight loss mode. As my TTC date is approaching, I may not need to add the fourth meal too often or even to add more carbs. Fingers crossed in the end I will get my dream and a 3rd pink bundle ����