Stop or continue breadtfeeding?

Hi Atomic!

I‘m still BF my 17m old 2-3 times a day, but I‘m getting fed up and frustrated since our nights are still horrible.
Somehow I would like to wean.. but then I think that BF could help me sway pink, at least I read that somewhere. Therefore I’m still willing to let him have his „Miiiiii!“ :)

What do you think? Is there any evidence that it could sway pink? Or can I wean without any effect on it? :D

The stats show a lower rate than the overall success rate, is that true?


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I’m sure it does sway pink the last time I read. My DD is 17 months and I had to stop BF when she’s 3 months, I really wish I didn’t have to stop but I had issues. Best of luck to you! I plan on trying again in another year or year in half my 17 month old is a handful lol . If you want to wean go ahead, there are a TON of woman who got their girls without nursing

It sways pink. I am 1000% convinced it sways pink (and I can explain why if you'd like) This gets lost in the statistics because so few people are actually TTC while breastfeeding that it skews the results...it is not the norm to try to conceive while nursing or even to be still nursing at 17 months so this is not a random sample of people. People who keep nursing past 6-12 months are very likely more set for blue than the average person and this skews the results. this is not because breastfeeding sways blue after 12 months!! this is because the small group of women who a)continue nursing this long and b) are willing to try to conceive while nursing - because this is quite unusual - are likely coincidentally also set for blue due to tending to eat more healthfully/more calories to keep milk supply up, being more concerned with nutrition/healthy living overall, and being on average higher in socioeconomic status (which is associated with more boys conceived and has been shown in studies to be the case) since they have the luxury of continuing to nurse for a long time rather than returning to work.

I do not want anyone who does not want to breastfeed, to keep breastfeeding for your sway. But I do absolutely completely and totally believe it sways pink.

Could you explain more? I have gotten 2 boys breastfeeding but they were over a year into nursing.

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I got pregnant with my second daughter while nursing my first daughter. I’m still nursing my second at 16 month but I know I need to stop soon cause I want to sway blue at the end of the summer.

I think I read something about the hormones from breastfeeding sway pink or something along those lines

But interested in why a long term breastfeeder sways blue and hoping that will work in my favor this time around!!


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Long time BF sways blue?
Or did you mean „boy moms“ simply tend to BF longer than average?


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Interested to hear more too!
I breastfed DD1 until just before 12 months as she self weaned when I fell pregnant on my 2 Nd PPAF (miscarried though j.
I fell pregnant with DD2 when she was 18 months, with Clomid though. (conceived DD1 with Clomid also).
I breastfed DD2 until 17 months, and fell pregnant with DD3 (naturally!) about 4 months after weaning.
Would love to know what would be best to sway blue if we go for #4! She’s barely 8 weeks old so not on the agenda yet, but thinking of possibly weaning around 12 months ish, and ttc after she is 18 months.

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Oh yea, I am interested in this too. I thought it always swayed pink, I didn’t realise it swayed blue after 12 months of nursing.

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Originally Posted by mamallamadingdong

Could you explain more? I have gotten 2 boys breastfeeding but they were over a year into nursing.

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Ok. This is a complex issue ladies so please ask, ask, ask anything that is less than clear.

Most people do not nurse that long. Only 17 percent of US women nurse to 12 months and even fewer are trying to conceive while nursing. This is not a randomly selected sample size - it's a special group and it consists of women who are generally speaking, more crunchy, higher socioeconomic status, more into health, etc. than the average person. When we consider the group of women who are still nursing at 12-18 months or longer, AND are trying to conceive while nursing, that amount of people is MINISCULE compared to the number of people who don't do that and so you can't just look at that group of people and assume "oh this means breastfeeding sways blue." It doesn't mean that, it means that the women who are the most inclined to continue nursing for a longer than average amount of time very likely also have characteristics that predispose them to having boys. If something sways even 20% (I'm making these numbers up, BTW) you can go from being 80% likely to conceive a boy, to 60% likely to conceive a boy. This would be a HUGE pink sway, but when you look at the numbers in their raw state, you could still see more boys than girls conceived.

Breastfeeding sways pink. I am convinced that it does because breastfeeding suppresses ovulation/fertility and acts as a natural birth control and thus far everything that has done that other than PCOS (diet, exercise, weight loss, coming off BCP, miscarriage) has seemed to sway pink. It is just that this is not obvious because so few people actually try to get pregnant while nursing and most of the people who do are coming into TTC with a more blue-friendly lifestyle (the crunchy moms, the people who are very into health, people who have the luxury to continue nursing due to higher socioeconomic status).

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Originally Posted by babylove24

Oh yea, I am interested in this too. I thought it always swayed pink, I didn’t realise it swayed blue after 12 months of nursing.

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IT DOESN"T!! Breastfeeding sways pink. That's why I said "I am 1000% convinced it sways pink!

I am not saying "once you nurse this long somehow it suddenly sways blue".

I am saying "the people who do this are more set for blue due to other factors so you can't trust the statistics".

Thanks you guys for chiming in, because I am able to clear up this misunderstanding.

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Originally Posted by GirlmomXOXO

I got pregnant with my second daughter while nursing my first daughter. I’m still nursing my second at 16 month but I know I need to stop soon cause I want to sway blue at the end of the summer.

I think I read something about the hormones from breastfeeding sway pink or something along those lines

But interested in why a long term breastfeeder sways blue and hoping that will work in my favor this time around!!


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Being a long term breastfeeder doesn't sway blue. Breastfeeding always sways pink. It may sway less pink over the course of time, but we don't know that for a fact. My point is simply that the tiny group of women who do nurse past 12 months or longer are not a randomly selected group of people and thus you can't tell by looking at the statistics or results (or by looking at people IRL) about how breastfeeding sways because it is very likely that group of women is already more blue-friendly.

I believe breastfeeding sways pink not because of studies or results but because of biology. It suppresses fertility (and the more you nurse, and the closer you are to having just had a baby, the more it suppresses it) and thus far everything other than PCOS that has suppressed fertility and made it a little harder to conceive, has swayed pink. It also lowers blood sugar.
My point in writing all this is simply to explain why it is that breastfeeding sways pink even though it isn't obvious based on results that it does.

Now, this does not mean you shouldn't continue breastfeeding as long as you want when swaying blue. That is totally up to you and myself and many others have gotten boys while nursing. (I got a boy and a girl while nursing, 3 boys without nursing, so 50-50 is better than 100%, LOL) I would just sway and then continue your breastfeeding relationship if you so desire. Totally fine to do that!

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Originally Posted by Linni

Long time BF sways blue?
Or did you mean „boy moms“ simply tend to BF longer than average?


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What I mean is that the tiny group of women who BF that length of time and are willing to actually TTC while still nursing may be predisposed to have more boys than the general population and this makes it LOOK like breastfeeding sways blue, when in reality, it totally sways pink. Making numbers up out of thin air to illustrate: if you come into a sway 80% set for boys, and then do something that sways 20% pink - which is a HUGE sway - but you could still end up 60% likely to have a boy. This doesn't mean that whatever you did that got you 20% pink sway is swaying blue, it still sways pink, even if overall you still ended up having more chance of a boy than a girl.

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Originally Posted by LMSM

Interested to hear more too!
I breastfed DD1 until just before 12 months as she self weaned when I fell pregnant on my 2 Nd PPAF (miscarried though j.
I fell pregnant with DD2 when she was 18 months, with Clomid though. (conceived DD1 with Clomid also).
I breastfed DD2 until 17 months, and fell pregnant with DD3 (naturally!) about 4 months after weaning.
Would love to know what would be best to sway blue if we go for #4! She’s barely 8 weeks old so not on the agenda yet, but thinking of possibly weaning around 12 months ish, and ttc after she is 18 months.

:)

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:agree: I prefer you guys to wait 12 months minimum and 18 is better. :)

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

Being a long term breastfeeder doesn't sway blue. Breastfeeding always sways pink. It may sway less pink over the course of time, but we don't know that for a fact. My point is simply that the tiny group of women who do nurse past 12 months or longer are not a randomly selected group of people and thus you can't tell by looking at the statistics or results (or by looking at people IRL) about how breastfeeding sways because it is very likely that group of women is already more blue-friendly.

I believe breastfeeding sways pink not because of studies or results but because of biology. It suppresses fertility (and the more you nurse, and the closer you are to having just had a baby, the more it suppresses it) and thus far everything other than PCOS that has suppressed fertility and made it a little harder to conceive, has swayed pink. It also lowers blood sugar.
My point in writing all this is simply to explain why it is that breastfeeding sways pink even though it isn't obvious based on results that it does.

Now, this does not mean you shouldn't continue breastfeeding as long as you want when swaying blue. That is totally up to you and myself and many others have gotten boys while nursing. (I got a boy and a girl while nursing, 3 boys without nursing, so 50-50 is better than 100%, LOL) I would just sway and then continue your breastfeeding relationship if you so desire. Totally fine to do that!

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Okay that makes sense!!
I want to try everything I can to increase my odds for a boy and if that means giving up nursing it would be worth it to me. Thank you


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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

What I mean is that the tiny group of women who BF that length of time and are willing to actually TTC while still nursing may be predisposed to have more boys than the general population and this makes it LOOK like breastfeeding sways blue, when in reality, it totally sways pink. Making numbers up out of thin air to illustrate: if you come into a sway 80% set for boys, and then do something that sways 20% pink - which is a HUGE sway - but you could still end up 60% likely to have a boy. This doesn't mean that whatever you did that got you 20% pink sway is swaying blue, it still sways pink, even if overall you still ended up having more chance of a boy than a girl.

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Okay, I gotcha! :)
Thanks for the explanation, this was what I thought anyway. One thing is still strange to me:
Looking at the stats, the ladies who have been BF while swaying - didn’t they all also do the diet? I still find it confusing that the rate among the BF women is only 60ish%... without the diet I can totally understand your explanation, but while on the diet, I would expect the rate to be at least as high as the overalle success rate [emoji848]

It‘s not that I continue BF ONLY for swaying reasons.
First, my son demands it with strong willpower and it will be very difficult to wean anyway [emoji849]
And second, I often find it handy to still be nursing, especially when teeth are breaking through! It comforts him easily.
So my approach is to BF him because I don‘t have the energy to start to wean (and I will be a fight..) and because it could help my sway.

However, I found that the LE diet impacts my milk supply and I really have to eat more than the 1800-2000 cals, esp. have to watch the 60g of fat! Less than that gives very much hunger feeling and very „dry boobs“, IYKWIM [emoji23]


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Plus, I think that in Europe, or at least where I come from, long term BF is more common than it seems to be in the US. Could that be true?
Let‘s say half of my friends continue BF their children after 12 months, several moms even after 2 years.

Or maybe that’s the social group I‘m in that you meant. :))


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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

:agree: I prefer you guys to wait 12 months minimum and 18 is better. :)

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Definitely not ttc before dd3 is at least 18 months for sure ...just wanting to leave More time between weaning and starting ttc next time around since I conceived dd3 about 4 months after weaning DD2. Hoping for 6 months at the very least :)
Am so girl friendly as it is, if I can tip the odds just slightly in the favour of blue, will do things the best way possible even if it means being patient and waiting ttc somewhat longer:)

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Originally Posted by Linni

Okay, I gotcha! :)
Thanks for the explanation, this was what I thought anyway. One thing is still strange to me:
Looking at the stats, the ladies who have been BF while swaying - didn’t they all also do the diet? I still find it confusing that the rate among the BF women is only 60ish%... without the diet I can totally understand your explanation, but while on the diet, I would expect the rate to be at least as high as the overalle success rate [emoji848]

It‘s not that I continue BF ONLY for swaying reasons.
First, my son demands it with strong willpower and it will be very difficult to wean anyway [emoji849]
And second, I often find it handy to still be nursing, especially when teeth are breaking through! It comforts him easily.
So my approach is to BF him because I don‘t have the energy to start to wean (and I will be a fight..) and because it could help my sway.

However, I found that the LE diet impacts my milk supply and I really have to eat more than the 1800-2000 cals, esp. have to watch the 60g of fat! Less than that gives very much hunger feeling and very „dry boobs“, IYKWIM [emoji23]


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Yes, but if you've been super into healthy living your entire life AND have a "control freak", super anxious/worried about health personality AND are in a higher socioeconomic strata that has been shown to sway blue AND are able to breastfeed at all to start with and have the luxury to continue doing that for many months, that can absolutely still skew results. 12 weeks on diet just is not always enough to counteract a strong blue lifestyle that you've had for many years and in many ways that you still have - there are many aspects to lifestyle that are aside from diet that can still be swaying blue for a person even when they are on LE Diet.

Plus, I didn't get into this but there is also the fertility factor/maternal condition to consider. It is not at all usual to get pregnant while still nursing and in many cases, women literally CAN"T conceive while nursing so the women who can get pregnant while nursing, especially before 18 months, may be coming into TTC in better condition and more fertile than women who can't. Again, it's another thing that preselects for women who may be the most set for blue, to be the most likely to get pregnant while nursing since so many people can't/don't.

I am with you on the breastfeeding - it was always just so much more work to wean than to just keep going. With DS 3 (this was my "traditional" sway when I was on INgender and doing many of the things they said) I planned to wean at 9 months (I cringe reading that now, I feel terribly guilty for even thinking that) because they said you couldn't sway while nursing, but I just found that it was so much effort and he enjoyed it so much that I kept going with it.

I do want you guys to eat more calories and fat - and we have everyone breastfeeding do things that way and we do still get good results with nursing. Anything better than 50-50 is still good results!

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Originally Posted by LMSM

Definitely not ttc before dd3 is at least 18 months for sure ...just wanting to leave More time between weaning and starting ttc next time around since I conceived dd3 about 4 months after weaning DD2. Hoping for 6 months at the very least :)
Am so girl friendly as it is, if I can tip the odds just slightly in the favour of blue, will do things the best way possible even if it means being patient and waiting ttc somewhat longer:)

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:agree: I think waiting a bit longer will only help anyway. As you know I am a fan of further spacing when swaying blue even without nursing being in the picture! :)

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Originally Posted by Linni

Plus, I think that in Europe, or at least where I come from, long term BF is more common than it seems to be in the US. Could that be true?
Let‘s say half of my friends continue BF their children after 12 months, several moms even after 2 years.

Or maybe that’s the social group I‘m in that you meant. :))


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Yes exactly it depends both in the US and in Europe there are some groups of people who nurse longer than others. I always nursed a super long time as did many of my friends, while my mom and sister and my brother's gf barely nursed at all. just one of those things that people in some groups do and others don't.