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Can you advise on what you see atomic? I usually ovulate on CD 20. And my opk results may show some positives on the images, but that's only after it dried out. They were all clear negatives till date. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...47872c5329.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7d7648d1fc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...d541312af3.jpg
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It doesn't look like you've ovulated yet. Your temps are erratic, do you take it the same time every day?
Thanks Ksmom. The past week I've traveled from the east to the west coast and back(US). That's a 3 hour time difference. Maybe that's why it's erratic. Usually, it's pretty neat! Fx for the surge today!Quote:
Originally Posted by ksmom
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I can't use your temps to determine if ovulation has occurred in this scenario. If you hadn't traveled, the up and down temps + no pos OPK would be a definite NO, but traveling can throw a monkey wrench into the machinery LOL and so it could be that you have Oed but your temps are weird due to the change of schedule and then you also just got false neg. OPK. My gut tells me you have not Oed yet but just htat the travel does really complicate matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heart desires pink LP
Thanks atomic. I agree.
Attached is from few minutes ago. I'm very close to getting a surge I think. The tests are getting darker. And lots of EWCM today. I'm planning my one attempt for tonight, even if I don't get +ve Opk. My body, signs, CM, symptoms, tell me it's only a matter of hours before the tests catch the surge. Waiting for +ve Opk would mean to BD after another 28 hours, which may be close to O day, or I may even miss O given this crazy cycle. Going with my gut. This is my first cycle, so I thought better to catch the pre O train, than a potentially later one.
Wish me luck and all things pink :-)
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Yep, when in doubt, I want you to BD rather than waiting for a pos OPK that never comes. Good luck and pink dust headed your way!
Thanks. So, I went with my gut ( and ovu symptoms and EWCM) and BDed yesterday night. My tests from yesterday eve and night were looking close to positive (no surge detected in CB though). I went to bed very happy and pretty positive that I'd see a 'positive' in the morning. BUT it's like a bad dream. My tests are all clear negative, lines are a bit fainter than yesterday. I tested in the afternoon today, to better my chances. Nada, nothing! It's CD 24 and I can't believe I'd be ovulating this late, if I do, that is!
So I went from 'Yay I'm going to make a 2-O,cutoff', to 's***, did I botch my one attempt'. If I get a +ve tonight, I'd still be in 2-O or 3-O. Not a great chance, but still a decent one! If I don't get +ve tonight, I really don't know what the plan is anymore! I'm just so frustrated. I've taken opk tests since CD 11, originally anticipating a CD 17 ovulation. Attached are Temps from this morning.
Feeling miserable [emoji20] don't really feel like doing anything except peeing on sticks and willing them to change their results! It's like a bad joke. I had perfect cycles when I didn't care, and now that I do, my body doesn't! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ecc6e3aed1.jpg
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What do you make out? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8f303048a8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...226e9acbe3.jpg
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Looks like ovulation hasn't happened yet. Your body can gear up then decide to bail last minute. FX it happens soon!
That hasn't happened in the past several months I've been tracking. I have regular cycles! Sigh fx! Thanks for looking at it.Quote:
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Question. New to POAS, why arent those opk's from day 22 and 23 positive? I thought that's a positive. Have I been doing this wrong?
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HDP: I was just a lurker but I just want to comment that first cycle trying is usually very stressful and it might affect our body in a crazy way. It happened to me back on April last year when I wanted to try our luck. My cycle is usually 34 days with ovulation around CD21-23. But that cycle, the pattern looks exactly what you have now. It became my longest cycle ever 74 days. My body kept trying to gear up but nothing happened. I know how you feel it sucks, frustrating and stressful, but try to take it easy. I would say try E4D as others suggested to hopefully catch that egg or skip a cycle. I ttc blue so we couldnt maintain EOD that long so I decided to quit that cycle. I hope you will get better luck and ovulate soon or have period soon so you could start fresh. Big hugs!
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Chart does not look ovulatory to me yet. It's very likely you will still ovulate.
I know it's annoying when someone says "stress delays O" but it really can. It's not uncommon. Your body senses that something is amiss and it doesn't feel safe enough to ovulate. A lot of people have it happen when first TTC even when they are not swaying.
Yeah but it can be a combo of having gotten more restrictive on diet knowing you are about to attempt and then just the stress of knowing that this is THE month! It happens to tons of people even when they aren't swaying (so just the stress of TTC alone can make it happen, independent of diet)Quote:
Originally Posted by Heart desires pink LP
Her chart indicates that she hadn't ovulated so I barely glanced at the OPK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mom25boys
Do you have somewhere that I can understand how you know someone ovulated. Lol. Like a website. So when she got any of those double lines, even light, those dont mean you should BD that night if doing one attempt?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
OP I hope things settle down in your cycle and you get a clearer pic of what's happening.
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An OPK is positive when the test line is as dark as or darker than the control line. A positive opk does not mean ovulation will happen but it is a good indication. Charting bbt will help confirm ovulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mom25boys
Oh.... wow. But once it is confirmed, it's too late to BD. And what a higher temp from one day to the next, is that enough to prove O
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Well, the most famous site for learning about it all is here: https://www.tcoyf.com Taking Charge of Your Fertility. I got started doing all this before the Internet was such a thing and I have the book version of TCOYF and then I've been on the boards so long I've looked at a kajillion charts by now. After a while you just get the feel for it.Quote:
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The real way to know if someone ovulated is that their temp goes up (temps in the early part of cycle are low, later part of cycle after ovulation are high) and stay up for 3 days.
OPK are helpful but aren't the end all, be all. You can have false positive OR false negative OPK. When I am presented with a chart and someone is asking "did I ovulate" then OPK I put more stock into the chart. But OPK are handy for timing one attempt because it's really the only way to know (if your cycle is not super regular, which few are when swaying) when ovulation is near before it's too late.
As for OPK lines, unless the test line is as dark or darker than the control, it's a negative test. But even IF it's a test that is positive, it can be a false positive. I'd still have people attempt, but if they are temping and the temps do not show ovulation, I don't think they ovulated at that point in time and will have them keep testing with OPK and prepare to have another attempt in 4 days' time.
Yes, that's why we use the OPK. To be in with attempt before ovulation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mom25boys
No you need 3 days of high temps above the coverline (that is an imaginary line drawn above your highest high temp in the early days of your cycle). So basically u need your temps to go up above the highest temp in your follicular phase prior to ovulation, and stay that high for 3 days (and then generally it will stay up the rest of the time after that). You won't really know you've ovulated for sure till 3 days after ovulation.
They were negative on testing (wet) . Shortly after testing, they dry out and get darker. But yes those two days were my darkest opks, though definitely not what the box calls positive.Quote:
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That is so reassuring and helpful! I do feel better. I wish things went your way and worked out well in the end :)Quote:
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Interesting observation! The only thing I changed in a big way in my diet is skipping bf and having my first meal at noon. This is a huge step for me as I've been a big bf person all my life, living by the motto that its the most important meal of the day. The exercise is moderate and I usually have been sticking to the LE totals and eat about 1400-1500 cals, to lose weight independently of diet (BMI 24.3). So if anything makes my body feel its not safe to ovulate, I would think it's skipping bf. I just wanted to share, if this makes sense to you, and can potentially help others!Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
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We can't know if it's skipping breakfast or your low calories catching up with you or some combo of the two plus weight loss. 1400 is lower than the range I like most people to be at, and while it's not terribly low (like when I see people rolling in at 800, which happens all too often) your body will still perceive that as a drop in calories. Often, lower calories may not affect you the first month or two or three but over the course of time your body "thinks" that something strange is going on, there used to be a lot of food but now there isn't, and it uses these natural birth control methods it has at its disposal of delaying ovulation to try and reduce the chances that you'll conceive.
I would have you at a serving of full fat dairy daily, 4-6 eggs a week, and a serving of salmon if you like, red meat if you don't per week. This seems a simple solution but it really does help.
Atomic
Is CD 28 of my (usual) 32 day cycle. No more +ve Opk s or near positives either. Temps are not showing O and have been constant past few days. I'm so bummed out. Are there even chances that I will ovulate at this point? I find it hard to imagine that I missed O. I don't have Pcos.
I'm just praying for AF and a cycle reset to come, so I at least have a chance to TTC. With this limbo s*** I'm in, I stand negative chance!
I've been eating more calories and including whole eggs the past few days.
At this point, I must have like a 50-60 day cycle, if I were to ovulate in the near future.
I even took a pregnancy test, and negative. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4468799e56.jpg
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Yes, the odds are very good you will still ovulate. You did not miss ovulation based on your chart, you have not ovulated yet. You have a choice to make,, you could start BD every 4 days and try to catch the egg, or you could do more OPK. Personally I think you should go to e4d because I think you may be in "watched pot never boils" land here and the more you think about it, the more upset/stressed/pressured you feel and your body is like "whoa something weird is going on here, not only is there less food but she seems upset about something and maybe let's just hang onto this egg for a little longer" Eventually either that egg will drop, or your estrogen will drop, and then that can act as a reset. This is not a permanaent state of affairs, so please don't despair, just look at it as maybe we swayed a little too hard and now we just need to ease back just a hair to get things working again.
Thanks atomic, for the support! To be honest, I didn't really sway very hard. There are others here who've had more textbook sways. I always stood by the 'mellow' sway belief! Over the past year, I had conditioned my body to take in fewer calories gradually, and not feel deprived! And I'm not stressed either. A bit disappointed that I didn't ovulate as predicted, that's it! So I hope my body will recalibrate soon enough. In the meantime, I'm enjoying my wine and E4D. FF chart from this morning. I see a rise in Temps after several days of constant. Don't know if that means anything! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8e719dd4f0.jpg
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Yes, you can still ovulate! I know it's hard to believe but you can and most likely will. I agree you haven't ovulated yet but it can still happen.
Update from CD 30.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4f2f1912a4.jpg
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I had a crazy cycle the month I got my pink bfp, e4d definitely saved me stress and helped me catch the egg when it finally did turn up! Good luck!
F. I. N. A. L. L. Y!!! My turn is here! After 20 days of testing and disappointment, I got my blazing +ve OPK around noon today :-). It's CD 32 for me. Atomic, you should absolutely say 'I told you so' now :-)
Can't wait for DH to come home and get our first count worthy attempt in. Incidentally, today would also be 4 days since the last BD.
Strangely, my CM is all dry now. I got EWCM many times in the cycle but they were all alongside - ve OPK. This time the opk is positive, but CM doesnt indicate fertile window! Fx for me, please! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8797d79a86.jpg
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Many of us (myself included) have gotten pregnant with no visible CM. Good luck and pink dust headed your way!
would love to see updated chart when temp rises! :)
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Update : seeing lots of fertile EWCM now. Feeling good about catching that egg!!Quote:
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Hi atomic. Here is my update from CD 34. Please weigh in :
So I suspect I ovulated yesterday evening (CD 33), and hence today's temperature was very important to confirm that! And as luck would have it, I'm in a world of ambiguity!
I went to bed at 2 am last night. Woke up at 4.45am to pee. Took my BBT before getting up to the bathroom. Temp was around 96.7 (close to yesterday's temp). I went back to sleep and woke again at 6.50 am. I temped again, without waking up and it showed a spike of 97.4, which would likely confirm yesterday evening 's ovulation. I usually temp around this time. But will this be accurate, given it was after only 2 hours of sleep?
If I go with the earlier lower temp, then it does not confirm ovulation. CB tested negative yesterday night, and strips showed positive during the day yesterday. So O might have happened sometime between last morning and last night. (CD 32 was my first +ve OPK and we had our one attempt then)
Here is my chart below, by logging in the higher temp. Based on my OPK s, and CM, I do believe I might have O yesterday. But the inconsistency between the two Temps confuses me! What do I go with?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6ce17bd273.jpg
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I took a opk test this afternoon. Clear negative
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The truth is we need not one but THREE high temps to confirm O anyway, so while I know it's utterly obnoxious of me, I can't really answer your question even if you had had a perfect sleep for temping because one temp does not ovulation confirm, LOL. I just honestly can't know which temp was the "right" one because even if we did know which one was the proper one to use, it still could have been a flukey low or high temp and been misleading. With NFP we have to look at the overall big picture of the pattern and we need 3 days of temps to do that. Sorry I can't be of more help, but do know that the OPK, symptoms, and higher temp are in agreement leaving me suspecting that O has happened, but just in case I'd have ou doing e4d attempts from here on in just to cover.
This, unfortunately, doesn't tell us if O has occurred, either. I know it seems like it should, but that's not how it works. You can have a test go negative and still not have ovulated yet, and you can have a test remain positive for days after O has occurred. The OPK only detect the surge hormone in your urine and don't tell us if ovulation has happened or not, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heart desires pink LP
Not obnoxious at all! Thank you for sounding your thoughts. We'll see how it goes tomorrow!Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
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